Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part III

[TrufleShufle]

We talking Andre Palot?

For tax reasons.... Yes.

 

[Darkauron]

I gotta say, Fitz has made it an exciting off season to say the least

 

[Devils Trap]

I made a joke about Palat giving Stamkos some of his money to come here. I see it caused a debate about the legality of it. I understand this is my fault and I promise, in the future, I will make the same types of stupid jokes and not clarify that they are in fact, just stupid jokes. If you take them seriously going forward, this is on you.

Im not going to lie, 100% fooled me.

But after the stuff Ive seen on here before, NOTHING would surprise me

 

[NjDevsRR]

For tax reasons.... Yes.

 

[Rhodes 81]

Give me Pesce, DeBrusk, and Kulikov on Monday and then let's ride, Bronco Nation

 

[JimEIV]

I made a joke about Palat giving Stamkos some of his money to come here. I see it caused a debate about the legality of it. I understand this is my fault and I promise, in the future, I will make the same types of stupid jokes and not clarify that they are in fact, just stupid jokes. If you take them seriously going forward, this is on you.

You shouldn't have explained it...in fact you should have antagonized it...

Palat shouldn't be so selfish!

 

[Whaddagoal]

Give me Pesce, DeBrusk, and Kulikov on Monday and then let's ride, Bronco Nation

Isn't Kulikov gonna be bone dust soon particularly after that last season? 33 already, 34 by October.

Gotta go a little more youthful now.....

 

[Rhodes 81]

Isn't Kulikov gonna be bone dust soon particularly after that last season? 33 already, 34 by October.

Gotta go a little more youthful now.....

I think Fitz is wanting to really gun it these next two years to A.) maximize Nemec on his elc and B.) save his job so I don't see much reason not to sign an older player on a short term contract. I'd be surprised if Kulikov got more than 2 years.

 

[Whaddagoal]

I think Fitz is wanting to really gun it these next two years to A.) maximize Nemec on his elc and B.) save his job so I don't see much reason not to sign an older player on a short term contract. I'd be surprised if Kulikov got more than 2 years.

If Kulikov is our Brendan Smith replacement... Maybe I can warm up to it again. Never got the feeling Kulikov cared about our team, but it was a weird time then (and maybe its just my perception).

 

[MasterofGrond]

I’m fine with signing a vet 3LD, I think a two year guy is probably ideal, tbh, given the silayev timeline.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Pesce (it's pretty much done even though I prefer Roy)
Dillon
Henrique
Sprong/Foegle type

 

[Whaddagoal]

What we doing with lenni hamenaho... How many years till he is ready?

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Give me Pesce, DeBrusk, and Kulikov on Monday and then let's ride, Bronco Nation

Not the biggest fan of Kulikov but I can definitely see it from Fitz lol

 

[Oneiro]

This team really needs to find that Patrick Sharp, Chris Kunitz or Zach Hyman for Jack.

Just seems like such a glaring hole on the roster now that the net and defense are basically what they are.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

This team really needs to find that Patrick Sharp, Chris Kunitz or Zach Hyman for Jack.

Just seems like such a glaring hole on the roster now that the net and defense are basically what they are.

The Sid thing is something I've mentioned before with Jack. We might be in the time period where Sid had no one but JAG UFA's and trade deadline acquisitions for him until they land on a Guentzel type due to development. It's probably why they're taking these ridiculous built power forwards in the draft and hoping one sticks with him and Bratt

 

[Triumph]

Fitzgerald shit talking Holtz has nothing to do with the return. Do you really think teams pay attention to that stuff? It's all about a team that thinks Holtz can help them, and there just aren't many teams that think that, because Holtz has not shown much ability to do anything during his time in the NHL.

 

[Devil X]

Isn't Kulikov gonna be bone dust soon particularly after that last season? 33 already, 34 by October.

Gotta go a little more youthful now.....

Isnt Dillon 34 now and he is the guy everyone wants.

 

[ScottyK]

Fitzgerald shit talking Holtz has nothing to do with the return. Do you really think teams pay attention to that stuff? It's all about a team that thinks Holtz can help them, and there just aren't many teams that think that, because Holtz has not shown much ability to do anything during his time in the NHL.

SJ, reportedly passed on him in the Meier trade, CGY passed on him as well...likely twice but def once for Markstrom. Team sweden cut him from a pretty poor world championship roster. Holtz having no value has been a thing for a while now. Like you said highly doubt it has anything to do with Fitzy's comments

 

[Triumph]

I agree with a lot of this. I'm with you that I'd rather Fitz look forward than backward. He should be proactive, not reactive. Which is why I'm fine moving on from Holtz and Schmid, if you don't have a spot for them year then why bother hanging on? Just rip the band-aid off and get it over with.

I just think that these attempts to plug certain holes are opening up larger, more valuable holes elsewhere. 18 months ago we had surplus talent, now we're having trouble icing a full top-12. This didn't happen over night, we've slowly been bleeding skill for a bit now. We're getting slower and more simple, and I don't think that's the right direction to go in after committing to Jack, Nico, and Bratt as the core.

I'm not expecting +50 wins every year. I'm fine with getting more physical, but getting "harder to play against" shouldn't come at the cost of what made you a great team. It looks to me like they're banking way, way too hard on Jack carrying this forward group and I just think that's a losing strategy.

The reason the Devils have been bleeding skill is that they had pretty lousy 2018, 2019, and 2020 drafts. I'd love to have a team that can just keep reloading year after year but that is not what the Devils have, sadly, they have drafted like absolute shit at forward. Gritsyuk should be good, everyone else is lousy. This is where not having those 2nd round picks in 2018, 2019, and 2020 comes in - we should have a decent forward out of those drafts that we're missing.

They don't have forwards in the system so the alternative is what they're doing. I just don't see the Devils looking at the Panthers, a team that ditched Brunette hockey to win the Cup, and saying that's how we're going to win is with tons and tons of speed. It's just not possible on this roster anymore.

 

[HersheyBob27]

Pesce (it's pretty much done even though I prefer Roy)
Dillon
Henrique
Sprong/Foegle type

Sprong and foegele are nowhere near the same thing. Sprong is a selfish shitty teammate and foegle is actualy a productive teammate

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Sprong and foegele are nowhere near the same thing. Sprong is a selfish shitty teammate and foegle is actualy a productive teammate

They weren't mutually exclusive, I just wanted someone to play in the top 6 as a placeholder with Jack and Bratt till the trade deadline at this rate and won't look out of place

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Pesce (it's pretty much done even though I prefer Roy)
Dillon
Henrique
Sprong/Foegle type

These signings would fit really well with the current NJ lineup, with Foegele my preference over Sprong. With both Toffoli and Holtz departing, that’s 42 goals we need replacing. Henrique (24) and Foegele (20) is a good moneyball approach to replace those goals.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Id like another top 6 speedster to help facilitate transition, hope we can find something like that

 

[TrufleShufle]

This team really needs to find that Patrick Sharp, Chris Kunitz or Zach Hyman for Jack.

Just seems like such a glaring hole on the roster now that the net and defense are basically what they are.

I believe it will be Mercer if we don't give up on him. If we do, I fully believe he will go to another team who has a Mcdavid, Mackinnon, Matthews or Crosby and turn into one of those guys.

 

[OmNomNom]

I processed a bit. The thing that sucks is we tanked holtz and schmids value. It's POSSIBLE they're both average and we end up winning the trade. The issue is "what if we were wrong"? What if Lindy and our goaltending coaches just sucked and we got suckered in this deal?

Ultimately they didn't fit with us based on what we have and we end up net positive... I just hate potential sellers remorse