Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part III

[HBK27]

Also LOL at the piping hot takes over the false Lucic rumor.

 

[Ripshot 43]

Hey look - another odd angled picture we can use to debate Casey's height!

https://x.com/i/web/status/1831497742327410967

The guy on the far left is 5’8” tops so that means Casey is 5’2” on his tippy toes.

 

[NjDevsRR]

I am once again asking…what I miss

 

[Goptor]

Fitz LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVES him some criminals

Never trust a guy with the last name of Toilets.

 

[glenwo2]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1831486606047670764

Okay now.....


so can all the hand-wringing and over-reactionary Fitz-bashing stop?

thanks.

That was ridiculous how everyone jumped on a rumor by some guy on Twitter-x we never heard of.

sigh....

 

[NJDevs26]

Because he was in NJ training a couple weeks ago which random players always seem to do. There was never a legitimate link.

That and Fitz has acted like a GM on the hot seat this offseason

I'm signing a lot of you into an old folks home.

It was already said when it came up that he was practicing in NJ that he can't play in the NHL.

With our luck they would have announced he was eligible five minutes before the signing was confirmed official, just like the Oilers did with Bowman

 

[Better Call Sal]

I am once again asking…what I miss

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Lucic’s New Jersey Devils’ tenure. What a shame.

 

[glenwo2]

Fitz LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVES him some criminals

Who is this guy that you posted a tweet here that you felt his rumor was legit?

 

[glenwo2]

disgusting stuff. Really soured on Fitz the past 9 months or so.

Now after learning that rumor was a load of horses--t, are you still soured on Fitz?

tbh, I haven't seen anything that Fitz has done that should cause "Souring" on him....

(well...except the whole 'hiring of Travis Green' fiasco...ahem)

 

[MadDevil]

Wait, so an Oilers guy was wrong about a rumor about the Devils? I'm flabbergasted.

 

[glenwo2]

Wait, so an Oilers guy was wrong about a rumor about the Devils? I'm flabbergasted.

I think the worst part was a good number of fans here actually believed the stupid rumor.

And it wasn't even a rumor from the usual sources either.

It was from some rando Oilers twitter account.

WTF?, @Hisch13r ?

 

[NJDevs26]

Lucic’s New Jersey Devils’ tenure. What a shame.

It was shorter than Trent Hunter’s

 

[TrufleShufle]

 

[Saugus]

Bogus Lucic rumors, eh?

I guess we needed something to fill the time until Mercer's new contract causes the next board ructions.

 

[Louskoolaid89]

A1 was just f***ing with us!

 

[Andre Palot]

It was shorter than Trent Hunter’s

Some say, it was shorter than Scott Harrington.

 

[None Shall Pass]

 

[MadDevil]

Slow down people, we don't want to get into regular season form before the preseason even starts.

 

[Cheddabombs]

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Those are Crawford numbers there

 

[NjDevsRR]

Slow down people, we don't want to get into regular season form before the preseason even starts.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Isn't the whole Lucic thing still being investigated by the league or whatever? If he's reinstated, I can easily see the rumor being true but hopefully it's not. After the McLeod/Foote thing, Lucic is the last thing we need for that type of reputation, let alone he f***ing sucks as a hockey player and the antithesis of this team at its peak

 

[britdevil]

Isn't the whole Lucic thing still being investigated by the league or whatever? If he's reinstated, I can easily see the rumor being true but hopefully it's not. After the McLeod/Foote thing, Lucic is the last thing we need for that type of reputation, let alone he f***ing sucks as a hockey player and the antithesis of this team at its peak

Can't teach size.

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

Because the gap in expectations between a 7OA and a 29 OA are greater than the gap in expectations between a 29 OA and a third round pick.

That’s what makes a bust: high expectations. Quenneville, Matteau, and Corrente aren’t really busts, they’re just low-expectation picks that didn’t pan out.

The problem with the Devils is that they whiffed on so many of these mid-late round 1sts. We’ve whiffed on every single mid-late 1st since Zajac twenty years ago. We have not had a 1st round pick later than 12 that hit. It’s absurd and infuriating.

He's still young. Way too early to be calling him a bust compared to Matteau. Matteau is a bust. Holtz is still unknown

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

He certainly drafted for need this year, not sure about other years. It's also at times subjective to say when they draft for need and when they actually have certain players ranked higher on their board (a la Nemec over Wright when many of us including me thought they passed over Wright mostly cause he would have been a 3C here and reached for a 'need' pick instead).

My connotation of drafting for need differs from others here though, imo you draft for need when you draft someone clearly behind on your board because of position - Muk was one I kinda thought was in that vein since he was thought of as a late second round pick we pushed up a round since we didn't have a second rounder and already took two forwards, but that worked out too.

When it's more of a tiebreaker situation a la Holtz-Rossi or whomever else was around that range I don't really consider that drafting for need. It's not like Holtz was ranked a top twenty pick and we pumped him up to seven - him, Rossi and Askarov were all in the same range and they either chose the wrong one or developed him horribly, we'll find out which this year. I don't buy the meme that they drafted Holtz specifically to play with Jack though, especially since they never really tried him with Jack for any length of time to begin with!

This is a good point and something that does highlight the difference. This past draft for example, I don't think Fitz passed on higher upside players straight up to fit a need. What I think he did was tell his scouts, "This is what we need, find me the best players that fit this profile". That ofc being, size, physicality. So, in a sense, it's still drafting for need but I get your point.

and they did try him with jack. They did pretty well together...then Ruff broke them up for whatever reason when reg season started.

Matteau was picked near last in a weak draft, where almost nobody picked after him has done great either. If you want to go straight up busts, John Quenneville played fewer games, Ari Ahonen didn't play any at all, Lance Ward never played here at all, Corey Foster was bad too, etc. It's only the name that has anyone thinking of Matteau.

Which is what I said. There's far bigger busts than Matteau, who would also be far bigger busts than Holtz, so idk why he's even being discussed. Again, it's too early for that

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

Drafting is hard and an inexact science but I don't belive teams sit around very often going "scouts, don't get me the best player, fill a future NHL need instead". For me, I think fans believe players when drafted have a hard number and tier while NHL teams think the tiers are broader, reflecting how hard scouting and development is.

No, they don't say straight up, fill an nhl need, but they probably do highlight certain things to look for. Like size, skating, physicality. You can't deny this was the theme when Shero was here. He emphasized speed and raw potential. A lot of his picks were high risk prospects (with speed), with some of them panning out. Since Fitz has come here, the philosophy has changed a lot.