Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part III

[FooteBahl]

The team could save money by building a Dano-tron 5000 with pre-programed buttons for:
-what a pass cangi
-that was just vintage Jesper Bratt
-oh boy
-I fought his dad once an he was one tough customer

We can also place a ten minute call and save $8.2 million or more by switching to Geico.

 

[njdevils1982]

The team could save money by building a Dano-tron 5000 with pre-programed buttons for:
-what a pass cangi
-that was just vintage Jesper Bratt
-oh boy
-I fought his dad once an he was one tough customer

-lacksadaisical effort

 

[Triumph]

I admitted to my paranoia.

Know all of what you detailed, but the deal needs to get done.

To be the only Devil unsigned after all of the other off season chaos simply seems goofy. If they can give Thompson what he got, no reason Z get get a little more on the mino piece of his 2-way and the same 1-way for next season. He has certainly earned a tad more than Thompson's $175,000 after only having played 16 games while Z was the team's #2 scorer. Playing hardball with a top prospect after all of the BS that got the other unsigned guys good contracts makes no sense.

There is no reason to give Zetterlund a two-way at all as he will not be playing in the minors. The Devils always play hardball with guys in this spot because this is what teams do, the dispute is surely over a tiny amount of money relative to what normally happens, and players often just sign what is put in front of them, as Boqvist did.

 

[devilsblood]

I see no chance Severson comes back, just too much money on the right side, I hope they take the long view and trade him at the deadline even if the team is in the playoffs/hunt.

I think the team should monitor Graves/Okhotyok/Bahl this season and at the deadline consider extending Graves (max 2 year term) if it looks like Bahl/Okhotyok can't be counted on as more than depth. That's probably preferred to trying to sign a veteran to a 2 year term deal in the offseason. Luke is talented but still a 19 year old and veteran LD depth I think makes sense to have around for his ELC.

I thought the same regarding sevs and then klingberg signed a one year deal. Granted i dont actually think it happens but would be nice for us if he did.

And I agree that there is a chance graves would have a spot if both Bahl and OK cant fill that role. But like signing Sevs to a short term deal i think a two year deal for Graves sounds like wishful thinking though.

 

[tailfins]

I see no chance Severson comes back, just too much money on the right side, I hope they take the long view and trade him at the deadline even if the team is in the playoffs/hunt.

I think the team should monitor Graves/Okhotyok/Bahl this season and at the deadline consider extending Graves (max 2 year term) if it looks like Bahl/Okhotyok can't be counted on as more than depth. That's probably preferred to trying to sign a veteran to a 2 year term deal in the offseason. Luke is talented but still a 19 year old and veteran LD depth I think makes sense to have around for his ELC.

Marino needs to work out before Sevs is traded. I think we’re all hopeful that Marino is a longer term answer on the right side, but we need to see it happen first.

 

[britdevil]

Farewell, JJ.

God speed Yayo

 

[njdevils1982]

God speed Yayo

rush rush give me yayo
buzz buzz give me yayo

 

[Diehard Devil]

Marino needs to work out before Sevs is traded. I think we’re all hopeful that Marino is a longer term answer on the right side, but we need to see it happen first.

They did pretty well with the Siegenthaler pickup so I have faith Marino will be good for us

Admittedly I asked myself 'who?' When Pittsburgh signed him to that deal

 

[Billdo]

They did pretty well with the Siegenthaler pickup so I have faith Marino will be good for us

Admittedly I asked myself 'who?' When Pittsburgh signed him to that deal

His rookie season was quite good, regressed a bit, and was decent this season from what I understand. I wish there was a logical way to keep Severson but I understand this is basically his last shot at a big ticket and we're not really in a position to be paying Hamilton, Severson, Marino while having Nemec and Hughes waiting in the wings.

 

[RSeen]

His rookie season was quite good, regressed a bit, and was decent this season from what I understand. I wish there was a logical way to keep Severson but I understand this is basically his last shot at a big ticket and we're not really in a position to be paying Hamilton, Severson, Marino while having Nemec and Hughes waiting in the wings.

There is no chance for Severson staying. I would have been potentially okay with keeping him before we acquired Marino, but he is most likely going to get too much term anyways.

Our D group is set without him.

 

[Hockey Sports Fan]

Yeah it's a shame Severson can't stick around and be a part of the transition to a playoff team, but with Hughes and Nemec waiting and Hamilton and Marino locked up on the right side, there's no chance.

 

[Camille the Eel]

I wouldn’t write Sevs off just yet. Stranger things have happened, it’s too early to making a call on him. I think Nemec is in Utica this year and Sevs plays here and then we see.

Switching topics, I have a hunch going in that Tice Thompson may surprise at camp the way Mercer did last year, win a place and some significant playing time, maybe even in McLeod’s stead. There’s nothing particular to suggest this right now, but I just have a feeling. It’s an interesting possibility though he’ll have to battle Boqvist too.

 

[Billdo]

There is no chance for Severson staying. I would have been potentially okay with keeping him before we acquired Marino, but he is most likely going to get too much term anyways.

Our D group is set without him.

I'm well aware

 

[RSeen]

I wouldn’t write Sevs off just yet. Stranger things have happened, it’s too early to making a call on him. I think Nemec is in Utica this year and Sevs plays here and then we see.

Switching topics, I have a hunch going in that Tice Thompson may surprise at camp the way Mercer did last year, win a place and some significant playing time, maybe even in McLeod’s stead. There’s nothing particular to suggest this right now, but I just have a feeling. It’s an interesting possibility though he’ll have to battle Boqvist too.

How can we possibly resign Severson? You have Hamilton, Marino and Nemec after this upcoming season. Luke can play RD too. It isn't smart use of cap space to resign him.

And I think Tyce could be in the NHL as well. McLeod may not be on the team, who knows at this point. But regardless Thompson could easily prove to be the better player.

 

[Bad Goalie]

There is no reason to give Zetterlund a two-way at all as he will not be playing in the minors. The Devils always play hardball with guys in this spot because this is what teams do, the dispute is surely over a tiny amount of money relative to what normally happens, and players often just sign what is put in front of them, as Boqvist did.

Boqvist got a 1-yr, 2-way with his minor league salary set at $70K.

Thompson on the other hand filed for arbitration and got a nice deal, a 2-yr deal not 1, 2-way paying him $175K if he's in the minors the first year (which this season is most likely) and the 2nd season is a 1-way paying him $750K in either location. So, he gets $100K more than Boqvist who has paid a lot more dues and spent a lot more time in NJ?

Nobody knows if Z will be in NJ for sure or Utica or both at different times during the season. It's August 7. Fitz isn't necessarily finished. However, Zetterlund is a much more proven player than Thompson at this point and to make less money then Thompson probably doesn't set well with him and I can understand that. He's also waiver eligible.

Very few posters seemed to care about any season, but the last one when Bratt was dicking around for the best deal he wanted. Last season as Utica's #2 scoring player while Thompson was out of action gives Z quite an advantage. Moreover, Thompson has manged to play a total of 36 games in 2 seasons. What gives him a leg up in negotiations?

Is Boqvist to be in the minors? Some here seem to think if Wood and Mcleod are present and Haula is the #3 C , Utica just might be where Boqvist starts out.

Will they try to sneak Zetterlund back down?

Will Holtz end up back in the AHL?

They only have so many roster slots for forwards. 13 are there now counting Boqvist. With Z and Holtz also in the picture something will have to give. Somebody is going to Utica. Among the candidates, Holtz is the only one not to have to get through waivers. They tried to sneak Studenic past last season and he's with Dallas now. So many posters believe this season is make it or break for Holtz and yet he's the only guy on the roster that waivers don't matter to.

It seems bizarre, but somebody (maybe even 2) will have to be demoted and only one player can be sent down without having to get through waivers. Of the 15 exactly who is most expendable and who is most likely to be ignored on the waiver wire?

 

[njdevils1982]

its august 7th .....cmon!....purge already fitz

i cant take this shit anymore

2020-21	26	NJD	NHL	50	5	6	11
2021-22	27	NJD	NHL	71	13	22	35

it doesnt add up.....lose dead weight f***ing yesterday

 

[NjDevsRR]

 

[Camille the Eel]

How can we possibly resign Severson? You have Hamilton, Marino and Nemec after this upcoming season. Luke can play RD too. It isn't smart use of cap space to resign him.

And I think Tyce could be in the NHL as well. McLeod may not be on the team, who knows at this point. But regardless Thompson could easily prove to be the better player.

Severson is signed now and has a year to go I think ? A lot can happen over a season. Maybe we move him now but it’s at least as likely that he starts the season here and Fitzgerald figures it out as we go along. I imagine that we may see what Marino actually looks like, how Hamilton has recovered from his last year’s woes, and what the time line actually is on Nemec (shiny new car that he is, he’s only 18 and hasn’t played in North America yet), as well as what Severson actually wants to do (money wise and whether he wants to stay here at a reasonable cost) before we jump one way or the other.

I agree he’s likely elsewhere a year from now but stranger things have happened than us resigning him.

 

[hidek91]

The team could save money by building a Dano-tron 5000 with pre-programed buttons for:
-what a pass cangi
-that was just vintage Jesper Bratt
-oh boy
-I fought his dad once an he was one tough customer

bolded made me laugh irl

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

I wouldn’t write Sevs off just yet. Stranger things have happened, it’s too early to making a call on him. I think Nemec is in Utica this year and Sevs plays here and then we see.

Switching topics, I have a hunch going in that Tice Thompson may surprise at camp the way Mercer did last year, win a place and some significant playing time, maybe even in McLeod’s stead. There’s nothing particular to suggest this right now, but I just have a feeling. It’s an interesting possibility though he’ll have to battle Boqvist too.

No comment when it comes to Damon.

As for Thompson and some of the other Utica forwards, these are the players I want to see assuming roster spots this year.

Along with Palat and hopefully a healthy Myles Wood, this would provide a heavier presence in the forecheck and in maintaining offensive zone time. In the Devils defensive zone, it should reduce the long stretches where the team is pinned in its own end.

 

[Triumph]

Boqvist got a 1-yr, 2-way with his minor league salary set at $70K.

This was the minimum qualifying offer that the Devils could proffer and Boqvist took it.

Thompson on the other hand filed for arbitration and got a nice deal, a 2-yr deal not 1, 2-way paying him $175K if he's in the minors the first year (which this season is most likely) and the 2nd season is a 1-way paying him $750K in either location. So, he gets $100K more than Boqvist who has paid a lot more dues and spent a lot more time in NJ?

You're operating under the mistaken belief that somehow Boqvist's AHL number has anything to do with anything. Boqvist will not draw a minor league salary this season. Thompson, being waiver ineligible, likely will spend some time in Utica. I also do not think that Thompson got some great deal here, he's being paid less than a minimum NHL salary in year 2, if he has a decent year this year, he will have been underpaid on his 2nd year. Boqvist, meanwhile, is due for a substantial raise if he does okay this season, as he will have arbitration rights. He's likely to double his salary.

Nobody knows if Z will be in NJ for sure or Utica or both at different times during the season. It's August 7. Fitz isn't necessarily finished. However, Zetterlund is a much more proven player than Thompson at this point and to make less money then Thompson probably doesn't set well with him and I can understand that. He's also waiver eligible.

Z will not play in Utica at all this season unless he suffers a long-term injury and is put there on a rehab assignment. What people get paid at this stage in their careers has to do with their arbitration eligibilty.

Very few posters seemed to care about any season, but the last one when Bratt was dicking around for the best deal he wanted. Last season as Utica's #2 scoring player while Thompson was out of action gives Z quite an advantage. Moreover, Thompson has manged to play a total of 36 games in 2 seasons. What gives him a leg up in negotiations?

Arbitration.

Is Boqvist to be in the minors? Some here seem to think if Wood and Mcleod are present and Haula is the #3 C , Utica just might be where Boqvist starts out.

Will they try to sneak Zetterlund back down?

Zetterlund and Boqvist will not play in Utica.

Will Holtz end up back in the AHL?

Possibly, but I think it's much more likely that someone from the present large salary forwards is traded or waived, or failing that, that someone else is injured to begin the year and that Holtz starts in New Jersey. There's also the possibility that Michael McLeod is suspended to begin the year.

 

[HBK27]

I wouldn’t write Sevs off just yet. Stranger things have happened, it’s too early to making a call on him. I think Nemec is in Utica this year and Sevs plays here and then we see.

Switching topics, I have a hunch going in that Tice Thompson may surprise at camp the way Mercer did last year, win a place and some significant playing time, maybe even in McLeod’s stead. There’s nothing particular to suggest this right now, but I just have a feeling. It’s an interesting possibility though he’ll have to battle Boqvist too.

I could see Tyce having a very good camp, but unless/until some players get moved out there's just not a roster spot available for him (or Holtz for that matter). We already have 13 forwards signed, with only Mercer being eligible to be sent to the minors without having to clear waivers. Zetterlund lines up to be the 14th forward, as he would also have to clear waivers to be sent to the AHL and would most likely get claimed.

Boqvist got a 1-yr, 2-way with his minor league salary set at $70K.

Thompson on the other hand filed for arbitration and got a nice deal, a 2-yr deal not 1, 2-way paying him $175K if he's in the minors the first year (which this season is most likely) and the 2nd season is a 1-way paying him $750K in either location. So, he gets $100K more than Boqvist who has paid a lot more dues and spent a lot more time in NJ?

Nobody knows if Z will be in NJ for sure or Utica or both at different times during the season. It's August 7. Fitz isn't necessarily finished. However, Zetterlund is a much more proven player than Thompson at this point and to make less money then Thompson probably doesn't set well with him and I can understand that. He's also waiver eligible.

Very few posters seemed to care about any season, but the last one when Bratt was dicking around for the best deal he wanted. Last season as Utica's #2 scoring player while Thompson was out of action gives Z quite an advantage. Moreover, Thompson has manged to play a total of 36 games in 2 seasons. What gives him a leg up in negotiations?

Is Boqvist to be in the minors? Some here seem to think if Wood and Mcleod are present and Haula is the #3 C , Utica just might be where Boqvist starts out.

Will they try to sneak Zetterlund back down?

Will Holtz end up back in the AHL?

They only have so many roster slots for forwards. 13 are there now counting Boqvist. With Z and Holtz also in the picture something will have to give. Somebody is going to Utica. Among the candidates, Holtz is the only one not to have to get through waivers. They tried to sneak Studenic past last season and he's with Dallas now. So many posters believe this season is make it or break for Holtz and yet he's the only guy on the roster that waivers don't matter to.

It seems bizarre, but somebody (maybe even 2) will have to be demoted and only one player can be sent down without having to get through waivers. Of the 15 exactly who is most expendable and who is most likely to be ignored on the waiver wire?

Boqvist's AHL salary is irrelevant as there's virtually no chance he plays in the minors this season. If NJ tries to send him down, he will in all likelihood get claimed off waivers.

Will be interesting to see how Fitz handles this. Aside from opening up a possible roster spot for guys like Holtz, there's also the salary cap component to this. Feels like a move would be more likely to happen in the pre-season though, once he sees which of the younger players are making a push for a roster spot and maybe other teams see what they have on hand and may be willing to take on a vet like Johnsson in the right deal.

 

[My3Sons]

I could see Tyce having a very good camp, but unless/until some players get moved out there's just not a roster spot available for him (or Holtz for that matter). We already have 13 forwards signed, with only Mercer being eligible to be sent to the minors without having to clear waivers. Zetterlund lines up to be the 14th forward, as he would also have to clear waivers to be sent to the AHL and would most likely get claimed.



Boqvist's AHL salary is irrelevant as there's virtually no chance he plays in the minors this season. If NJ tries to send him down, he will in all likelihood get claimed off waivers.

Will be interesting to see how Fitz handles this. Aside from opening up a possible roster spot for guys like Holtz, there's also the salary cap component to this. Feels like a move would be more likely to happen in the pre-season though, once he sees which of the younger players are making a push for a roster spot and maybe other teams see what they have on hand and may be willing to take on a vet like Johnsson in the right deal.

It's hard to see Johnsson get moved without attaching something enticing to other teams. Too many good players got moved for nothing or close to nothing this offseason. I'm not sure how it would go over, but presumably NJ could waive Johnsson and assign him to Utica if he is outplayed in camp to open up about $1.1 mil in cap space. That would probably be enough for Zetterlund's NHL salary. If Nemec is assigned to Utica that opens up a spot for Okhotiyuk or Bahl or Walsh.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

I’ll be really disappointed if Zetterlund isn’t on the opening day roster. Someone else would have to really blow the doors off. For him to show what he did at the end of the season, to play in Utica would be crazy. He’s older (I think?) but has shown more than Tyce in however many cameos he’s had.

 

[HBK27]

I’ll be really disappointed if Zetterlund isn’t on the opening day roster. Someone else would have to really blow the doors off. For him to show what he did at the end of the season, to play in Utica would be crazy. He’s older (I think?) but has shown more than Tyce in however many cameos he’s had.

Zetterlund has to clear waivers to be sent to Utica - fairly certain he'd get claimed if the Devils try to send him down. He should have an inside track to making the opening night roster.

Now getting into the lineup is a different story - right now with Zetterlund, they have 14 forwards and it's not clear who would sit.