Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part I

[MB3]

Haha what? Miles Wood is in like the top 5-10% of physical players in the league.

LMFAO

 

[MadDevil]

My perception of Miles. This was here a few years back still resonates with me.

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Miles Wood will forever be Luis Mendoza to me.

 

[Ripshot 43]

Miles Wood will forever be Luis Mendoza to me.

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I always imagined him as a combination of Luis Mendoza and one of the Bash brothers.

 

[Billdo]

Haha what? Miles Wood is in like the top 5-10% of physical players in the league.

By what metric?

 

[RNCDevil]

If player A hits player B, do they both get a "hit"?

 

[NjDevsRR]

If player A hits player B, do they both get a "hit"?

 

[TheUnseenHand]

I want to see Nicos hits taken/60 metric. He has to be top 5 in the league.

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

oh i’ve seen plenty of that. ‘don’t trade 10OA for a 30 year old goalie’. as if we should be getting a young goalie we can grow into vs an established guy who can easily get this team to a playoff spot.

your position seems reasonable though.

What 30 year old goalie nets a top ten pick?

 

[Guadana]

Point wasn’t a consensus late 1st Rd pick.

If you go to MyNHLDraft.com they have 13 different Top 30 lists.
link (this website is mess fyi)

3 lists had him in their Top 30:
TSN: Craig Button #17
ESPN: Cory Pronman #25
THW/ Next Ones: Christopher Ralph #29

And 10 lists didn’t:
Bob McKenzie
ISS
THN
McKeen’s Hockey
Hockey Prospect
Future Considerations
Dobber: Brendon Ross
THW/ War Room: Eldon McDonald
THN: Ryan Kennedy
Central Scouting NA Skaters

The links to the 2014 McKenzie list on TSN are dead but I went to ridiculous lengths to dig this up lol. (The Wayback Machine is a pain in the ass.)

But here’s his rankings: (he had 1-60 plus 5 HM)
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And grabbed this too:
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I do like to, uh, point out that Tampa drafted 3 guys before grabbing Point.

They risked not getting him by grabbing Jonathan MacLeod first. (Who was #56 on Bob’s list.)
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A similar thing happened in 2014 with Cirelli. The benefit of having extra picks.
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Great minds think a like.

I was going to specifically pitch him to @My3Sons because if you want a guy who makes borderline hits, and gets occasionally suspended for them, he’s your psycho.

When I will be dead and someone will write "he was a good man" on my grave, I believe you will find a couple of my quotes to argue with "good man" statement.

 

[RSeen]

I've long been a believer in skill winning and I still do but I do not think we have the right mix. We need some functional toughness (players that can play a tough, physical grinding game, while also being positive in terms of puck possession).

I do not like our chances against a team like Florida at all, even if we were healthy.

 

[RSeen]

I hate to do this but I think both sides are talking around one another. Obviously 'hitting more' all else being equal is going to be a symptom of having the puck less, but it is hockey and so there will be times you won't have the puck. The thing that was missing from the Devils' game but especially during the 2nd half of the season was any sort of forecheck pressure/long shifts in the opposition's zone. This combined with meh to bad neutral zone play meant that too often the puck was in the Devils' end.

The Devils could use more players who excel at boardwork/breaking up the opposition's breakout along their boards. These sorts of players tend to also hit people, but not overly so - think Ondrej Palat, who averages more than a hit a game but not much more.

I largely agree with this.

Playoffs are a different beast than the regular season. The way goals are scored changes as well, and you could very well see less rush chances and more chances needing to be generated off the cycle.

 

[Brodeur]

What 30 year old goalie nets a top ten pick?

Closest I can think of in recent memory was Nashville trading Tomas Vokoun to Florida at the 2007 Draft. Vokoun would turn 31 a couple weeks later. Trade was for a late 2007 2nd rounder and 2008 1st+2nd rounders. Florida was picking 10th in 2007, so they were probably thinking Vokoun would help them towards a playoff push. But the 2008 1st would end up being 9th overall.

Vokoun had signed a four year extension in September 2006, so it looks like Nashville dealt him right before his NMC kicked in. On paper it seemed like a nice move for Nashville but it only netted them Colin Wilson and Nick Spaling.

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

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Closest I can think of in recent memory was Nashville trading Tomas Vokoun to Florida at the 2007 Draft. Vokoun would turn 31 a couple weeks later. Trade was for a late 2007 2nd rounder and 2008 1st+2nd rounders. Florida was picking 10th in 2007, so they were probably thinking Vokoun would help them towards a playoff push. But the 2008 1st would end up being 9th overall.

Vokoun had signed a four year extension in September 2006, so it looks like Nashville dealt him right before his NMC kicked in. On paper it seemed like a nice move for Nashville but it only netted them Colin Wilson and Nick Spaling.

Proves the point trade wasn't worth it and Nashville if they had picked Erik Karlsson would have made it look completely stupid....Imo not worth it at least Schneider was young and provided some really good years but in the end he's done and Horvat will play another 6 or 7 years .....Better to make the pick at 10 hopefully the right one....

 

[Unknown Caller]

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Proves the point trade wasn't worth it and Nashville if they had picked Erik Karlsson would have made it look completely stupid....Imo not worth it at least Schneider was young and provided some really good years but in the end he's done and Horvat will play another 6 or 7 years .....Better to make the pick at 10 hopefully the right one....

Rumors at the time were that the Devils wanted Max Domi if they kept the pick. I take the Schneider for Domi swap 10 times out of 10.

They weren’t taking Horvat.

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

Rumors at the time were that the Devils wanted Max Domi if they kept the pick. I take the Schneider for Domi swap 10 times out of 10.

They weren’t taking Horvat.

That's possible but you can't be 100 percent sure who they would have taken....

 

[Unknown Caller]

That's possible but you can't be 100 percent sure who they would have taken....

Believe it was reported at the time that they were not targeting someone who was taken in the top 10, and Domi was a likely candidate.

Regardless, everyone likes to highlight the one player who hit in retrospect rather than the ten other guys taken in that area that didn’t.

The trade was not Horvat for Schneider.

 

[Rhodes 81]

Schneider trade was fine on value. He gave us several years of being a top 3-5 goalie in the league. It was just shitty timing because the team was too washed to make use of it and then injuries wrecked him. If Schneider was available today given where this team is, I would make that trade again easily. There is no goalie available now like Schneider at the time, though.

 

[Mike27Devils]

I can't post in the Draft thread for some reason (probably cause I've disagreed with some guys that post there) but I believe Beckett Sennecke will be our pick at 10th overall if he doesn't go sooner and none of the top LHD fall. I like his upside a lot more than Brandsed-Nygard and Helenius. Eiserman could possibly be a pick there too but I believe he has too many question marks. I just learned that Sennecke was injured for the first half of the season which was likely why he took off the second half at around a 1.7 ppg pace. Also he has grown 5 inches the last 2 years so he has some filling out to do. His hockey IQ is very good, hit shot is excellent and will only get better with added strength, and he has some of the best hands in the draft with also very good skating. I think he has the upside of a 1st line power winger but I do think it will take him around 4 years to really get close to his ceiling. I'm also a big Connolly fan with his play minus the off ice issues.

 

[Andre Palot]

swear to god when i see "Pospisil" i think it's some topical acne medication

See, Pospisil makes me think of Popeil.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Chandler Stephenson..... a Devil?

 

[Call Me Al]

Schneider trade was fine on value. He gave us several years of being a top 3-5 goalie in the league. It was just shitty timing because the team was too washed to make use of it and then injuries wrecked him. If Schneider was available today given where this team is, I would make that trade again easily. There is no goalie available now like Schneider at the time, though.

don’t forget schneider was juuuust good enough for us not to be a lotto team when we really needed it. trade is more like horvat + mcdavid + matthews for schneider + zacha + mcleod

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Chandler Stephenson..... a Devil?

I think that would be a bloated contract we’d regret given the trend of his play this year. I’d rather go the trade route for a top line guy and hit up FA for a depth piece.

 

[theoptimist]

Chandler Stephenson..... a Devil?

Probably #1 on my UFA wish list, then Henrique.

 

[bossram]

Schneider trade was fine on value. He gave us several years of being a top 3-5 goalie in the league. It was just shitty timing because the team was too washed to make use of it and then injuries wrecked him. If Schneider was available today given where this team is, I would make that trade again easily. There is no goalie available now like Schneider at the time, though.

Bolded is very important. Trading a top-10 pick for Schneider is not the same as trading it for Markstrom.

One guy is old, alternates good and bad seasons, and falls apart by the end of the year.

Schneider was a prime-age, elite goaltender at the time.

There is no Schneider on the market.

 

[NJDfan86]

I’d be surprised if the Devils signed any real FA’s this offseason - probably a #7 dman, and some depth players.