Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - camp edition

Zajacs Bowl Cut · 2024-09-18T14:39:18-0400

JimEIV said:
No team goes from missing the playoffs to winning the cup. It typically takes some time to learn how compete in the playoffs for even the best teams

Missing the playoffs is without a doubt a set back for an organization looking move on to the next level.... To say otherwise is just absurd on every level.

Vegas did that literally 2 years ago lol

Before the last 2 years, Florida hadn't won a playoff SERIES since 1996.

This type of thing happens a fair amount.

JimEIV said:
That Tomas Harley deal is bad for NJ

If Harley is worth $4M for two years Mercer is easily worth closer to 5.

For cripes sake Mercer has 64 career goals... Harley has 53 career points.

Thomas Harley is a defenseman......................

Better Call Sal · 2024-09-18T14:40:48-0400

JimEIV said:
That Tomas Harley deal is bad for NJ

If Harley is worth $4M for two years Mercer is easily worth closer to 5.

For cripes sake Mercer has 64 career goals... Harley has 53 career points.

He's their #2 d-man. Part of their top pairing with Heiskanen.

JimEIV · 2024-09-18T14:42:10-0400

Better Call Sal said:
He's their #2 d-man.

Oops.

I messed up and I knew he was a d man.

Mercer contract has me on edge

Bleedred · 2024-09-18T14:46:12-0400

I'd rather have Paul Cotter for what he's making (close to league minimum, isn't it?) than Miles Wood for 5 more years at over $2.5 million.

I'd also rather have Pesce's contract than Severson's current one. Pesce's is actually cheaper.

JimEIV · 2024-09-18T15:02:19-0400

Bleedred said:
I'd rather have Paul Cotter for what he's making (close to league minimum, isn't it?) than Miles Wood for 5 more years at over $2.5 million.

I'd also rather have Pesce's contract than Severson's current one. Pesce's is actually cheaper.

Cotter is interesting though because he was a trade...he is definitely a better value than Wood...not even a question about it.

But the real comparable is probably Noesen and Wood....UFA to UFA

It sort double whammys....

Wood and Holtz vs Cotter and Noesen...

I think that's a truer vs

Edit: one other thing I'm not too high on the potential of Holtz at all but I do think we cut him loose a little too soon. I think we could've taken a wait and see approach with Holtz a little while longer.

Nubmer6 · 2024-09-18T15:15:09-0400

JimEIV said:
No team goes from missing the playoffs to winning the cup. It typically takes some time to learn how compete in the playoffs for even the best teams

We came pretty damned close in 88

My3Sons · 2024-09-18T15:17:01-0400

Zajacs Bowl Cut said:
8 goalies in camp is a bit ridiculous lol

Spinal tap said the same thing about their drummers.

JimEIV · 2024-09-18T15:18:31-0400

Nubmer6 said:
We came pretty damned close in 88

Close? We didn't get out of the conference (f*** Craig Janney) and Edmonton was waiting... glorious year but I'm not sure we were close

Nubmer6 · 2024-09-18T15:32:38-0400

JimEIV said:
Close? We didn't get out of the conference (f*** Craig Janney) and Edmonton was waiting... glorious year but I'm not sure we were close

Have another doughnut, you fat pig

nugg · 2024-09-18T15:41:35-0400

My3Sons said:
How old are you? I can’t imagine remembering 1980. Did you ride a horseless carriage to school and read by lamps filled with whale oil?

Not the oldest here, but certainly among the "elder statesmen", 55 next month.

Satans Hockey · 2024-09-18T15:42:40-0400

Zajacs Bowl Cut said:
Vegas did that literally 2 years ago lol

Before the last 2 years, Florida hadn't won a playoff SERIES since 1996.

This type of thing happens a fair amount.

Thomas Harley is a defenseman......................

Meh.

Vegas still had 94 points when they missed and they made the playoffs 4 straight seasons prior.

Florida had still made the playoffs every season since the 2020 playoffs. They won 1 round in the 2022 playoffs when they beat Washington before their back to back trips to the final.

Forge · 2024-09-18T15:43:20-0400

Bleedred said:
I'd rather have Paul Cotter for what he's making (close to league minimum, isn't it?) than Miles Wood for 5 more years at over $2.5 million.

Cotter is 775K for this year and next year. Pretty huge when you consider what guys like Miles and Jeannot got who I think would be reasonable comps. I think people didn't appreciate that value when the trade went down

dgibb10 · 2024-09-18T15:46:00-0400

Forge said:
Cotter is 775K for this year and next year. Pretty huge when you consider what guys like Miles and Jeannot got who I think would be reasonable comps. I think people didn't appreciate that value when the trade went down

I would have been interested to see what cotter cost as a draft pick trade.

I think it would have been more than people think.

2 years at league minimum+RFA control on a 24 year old.

Given Beck Malenstyn went for an early 2nd for just his RFA rights, and Yakov Trenin cost 3.5 mill in UFA (my other personal targets to fill the role cotter likely fills for us).

Zajacs Bowl Cut · 2024-09-18T15:46:40-0400

Satans Hockey said:
Meh.

Vegas still had 94 points when they missed and they made the playoffs 4 straight seasons prior.

Florida had still made the playoffs every season since the 2020 playoffs. They won 1 round in the 2022 playoffs when they beat Washington before their back to back trips to the final.

but that isn't what the original point was. "teams don't go from missing the playoffs to winning the Cup"

Vegas literally did it, and did it recently. If you want to add a caveat to that thats fine, but that was the original point.

the Devils had 81 points last year and were "in the mix" for the playoffs right up until like the last week or two....which quite frankly, given the injuries they had, is kind of amazing. I know the bottom of the East sucked, but still. It isnt like they bottomed out with 60 points or something.

My3Sons · 2024-09-18T15:49:54-0400

nugg said:
Not the oldest here, but certainly among the "elder statesmen", 55 next month.

My word you are old. I cannot imagine being in my middle to late 50s. That's like almost 100. Next you are going to tell me that you can remember when the mullet first hit as a hairstyle. Do you have that "help I've fallen and I can't get up" thing yet?

Forge · 2024-09-18T15:55:59-0400

dgibb10 said:
I would have been interested to see what cotter cost as a draft pick trade.

I think it would have been more than people think.

2 years at league minimum+RFA control on a 24 year old.

Given Beck Malenstyn went for an early 2nd for just his RFA rights, and Yakov Trenin cost 3.5 mill in UFA (my other personal targets to fill the role cotter likely fills for us).

Jeannot somehow finagled a 2nd and 4th this offseason, and that's two years of him being an offensive pumpkin and one year left at > 2.5 million.

I think on his own, the value of his contract I'd probably be asking 2 seconds from a competitive team

Satans Hockey · 2024-09-18T15:56:49-0400

Zajacs Bowl Cut said:
but that isn't what the original point was. "teams don't go from missing the playoffs to winning the Cup"

Vegas literally did it, and did it recently. If you want to add a caveat to that thats fine, but that was the original point.

the Devils had 81 points last year and were "in the mix" for the playoffs right up until like the last week or two....which quite frankly, given the injuries they had, is kind of amazing. I know the bottom of the East sucked, but still. It isnt like they bottomed out with 60 points or something.

I tried looking it up seems like these are the only teams that have done it, kinda crazy there's a huge stretch from 47-91 that it only happened 1x

SEASON|Team
1925-26|MTM
1933-34|CHI
1935-36|DET
1937-38|CHI
1946-47|TOR
1970-71|MTL
1990-91|PIT
1993-94|NYR
2005-06|CAR
2017-18lSTL
2022-23lVGK

Goptor · 2024-09-18T16:06:51-0400

Better Call Sal said:
https://x.com/i/web/status/1836450211746738358

Ok, I've reached the old man stage of life where I don't understand the silly voiceover thing going on here, but I'm happy to see these two once again.

Poor Siegenthaler. No longer a favorite.

Devs3cups · 2024-09-18T16:08:16-0400

theoptimist · 2024-09-18T16:13:03-0400

Goptor said:
Poor Siegenthaler. No longer a favorite.

Yes

Better Call Sal · 2024-09-18T16:13:16-0400

https://x.com/i/web/status/1836497170763010402

I miss being a kid and talking smack at that age. Back then, I assume my card of choice for Ranger fan friends was that Messier was a bald idiot.

Whaddagoal · 2024-09-18T16:18:18-0400

Not enough updates from today. Me. Disappointed.

It's 2024. Where's the interviews, 1 min clips, coach, players, greetings....

Whaddagoal · 2024-09-18T16:21:30-0400

Where's our new beat reporter..? Gabe?

NJDevs26 · 2024-09-18T16:22:03-0400

Whaddagoal said:
Not enough updates from today. Me. Disappointed.

It's 2024. Where's the interviews, 1 min clips, coach, players, greetings....

I saw ‘Pesce content dropped’ and assumed it was an interview somewhere, didn’t realize he just announced his number lol

Whaddagoal · 2024-09-18T16:24:47-0400

NJDevs26 said:
I saw ‘Pesce content dropped’ and assumed it was an interview somewhere, didn’t realize he just announced his number lol

The new staff alone should be an easy PR reason to get some content out.

Yeah me too. But then I thought Pesce had even decided his number in the summer ...

But I guess that wasn't confirmed via NJD until today?

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