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As the wins and shutout records continue to age people will be more and more impressed by how insurmountable they are
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As the wins and shutout records continue to age people will be more and more impressed by how insurmountable they are
Like Walter Johnson and Three Fingers Mordecai Brown
who knew that Brodeurs reccords would be more safe then Gretzky's
lol I f***ing love that a certain someone on this site still claims that Hughes isn’t an elite center but instead a one way winger who helps you offensively and also hurts you defensively. Even Mr Disgrace isn't spouting the same shit
Devils and Sabres should be the top 2 and I really don't think it's close. They're in their own tier at the top.
Huh? I don't think you know Pronman.
In recent years, Pronman's pretty much gone all the way to singularly valuing size as an attribute. If a kid isn't big, and he doesn't have at least Cooley or Michkov level skill/IQ, he won't like that kid, straight up.
That Casey had such a successful season at Michigan as a freshman really does bode well for him.
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I'm pretty sure you're talking about the guy that thinks David Rittich is good (lol) and used a one game sample size as proof of it.
Tied for the 10th best U19 NCAA Dman in both PPG and pts over the past 20 years. He's tied with Trouba and Quinn. Ahead of them not including the guys who are still prospects there's Werenski (sophomore year), Fox, Faulk, Miller, Jack Johnson, and Wiercoch. Wierchoch is the only one who didn't really make it. Then behind him there's guys like Werenski (freshman), Matheson, McAvoy, Sanderson, Hanifin, Power, Erik Johnson. He also had an absurd data set. It'll be interesting to see how he performs this year as the 1D
Not sure who that is. Is he named after a Ranger who was famously traded for a 4th liner and a 2nd round pick?
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Ahhh, I know who you're talking about now. I thought it was a different poster. I think that poster is a Rangers fan. I thought you were talking about a certain Devils fan who has been MIA at least on this forum probably since the season ended, but is still posting on the main board as of recently, who constantly trashes Jack's defense.
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I would favor one of the glory years era teams over last year's team in a 7 game series, mostly because of Brodeur. Brodeur against Vanecek is extremely lopsided and Brodeur over a rookie Schmid is as well. That said, prime Brodeur was very beatable in a few playoff matches and was really fried during the 2001 playoffs.
If we're gonna go to one of the post-lockout Brodeur teams though, I think last year's team could have taken quite a few of those teams, which really weren't all that good. Even with Brodeur in top form (and not 2008 Rangers series Brodeur) , I think that series would go the way of the Rangers series, where Shesterkin stood on his head and we still won in the end. I like my chances at betting on last year's Devils teams over most of the post-lockout Brodeur teams.
It's now very easy to see this many years later why the Devils won only two rounds between 2006 and 2011. Those teams just weren't that good and most of them were also very old. And more of them than not just couldn't score for shit. A couple of those teams were firmly entrenched in the bottom-10 in scoring and only the 08-09 and 11-12 teams were average or better than average in goals scored.
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I have never posted about Jack’s atrocious defense on the main board. I was too busy telling everyone how great Blackwood is going to be with the Sharks to worry about some one dimensional second line wing like Hughes.
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The charts are a bit wonky because the model can be wonky depending on the term.
These are the most “underpaid” players.
These are the most “overpaid” players.
Their model can be shockingly spot on when it’s a conventional deal following conventional logic.
It loses the plot with something like the Wood contract.
Their model has 7-8 year deals as the most expensive for all younger UFA, even those no team would really want on 7-8 year deals.
It has Wood with a 35% chance at signing a 3 year deal for 3.256m, but he’s over 4m at 6-7 years.
So the model doesn’t understand adding term to lower AAV for certain players.
It also lowballs the crap out of 1 year deals. They’re often more affordable but not always though.
Those Chicago contracts are obviously something else, but they were signing players to flip at the next TDL. Those players should be as mercenary as possible.
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He isn't that dumb. He just can't admit he was wrong. Its okay to be wrong, everybody are making mistakes. Even big one. Like he did with the take "Jack Hughes is offensive winger with defensive issues". Why he is dying on that hill? Really I don't know. He us ranger fan, so don't forget about his own issues.
I don't like this part of fan base culture. Sh1tting in rivalry. I see it at absolutely different angle. I really like Shestyorkin for example. Or Lundqvist. Both were great against us. And the level of their greatness is making our success even better. I think rangers were very good team last season. And how great Panarin or Kreider are, making Nico even better, who spent all of his time to shot Panarin down. And even if we would lose, it would make our next wins more tasty. Actually our next games will be very electric because of what was going on before. I think both fan bases should give credits for rebuilding of each other, for management decisions, for what putted both teams in the top of metro. It should be good to say "Jack Hughes is awesome, I want to see how we will finally shot him down, hope Drury will find players for that" for rangers fans, or "Fox can make every situation more danger with a second, I hope Luke will play on his level some day" for devils fans.
This rivalry is making our hockey adventure more tastfull, and having better opponent make it only better. Its a hockey story for everyone. Ranges stopped future 3 time SC winners. Devils learned from that series.
And this ranger fan just can't give a credit to Devils and to Jack Hughes. So if rangers lose, than they are loosers, not the team that fight to the end against great opponent. If they won, this winning should cost nothing because Jack Hughes isn't even 1st or even 2nd best player from his draft.
People should pay respect to their opponents, its a better culture. And it makes more friendship, wins are tasting better, defeats feel more worthy.
I really don’t even think it’s the Ranger fan part that’s making him double down. It’s the fact that he wasn’t high in Jack as a prospect. That’s why you also see him doubling down so hard on Turcotte who he had at 1 in 2019
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I was thinking a couple hours ago how some of the things that poster is saying about Hughes would be like if people in our fanbase were trying to sell Shesterkin or Fox short. All 3 of those players are absolutely elite players at or near the top of their respective positions.
Any Rangers fan denigrating Hughes is like our fans trying to undersell Shesterkin and Fox, which some probably do, I’m sure they’re out there. But they really shouldn’t.
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I read all of this topic too, I understand it. I think people should be less worry with prospects, we are watching tonns of them and trying to evaluate them. Different players have different environments, health and characters. And physical ceilings. Everybody are making mistakes in this, no one is perfect. Why he can't admit his wrongs, I don't know. Wish him to stop it, it would make him more classy. What he is doing now after the season when Jack broke the Elias record and was great against Rangers AS CENTER, makes him look bad. Not his previous mistakes, his current actions.
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May be Shestyorkin was the best player from both teams in the series. And it makes our win even better, we won not because of him, but in spite of him.
Its an interesting question, how smart Drury was to fire Gallant so early. Im not saying he is a perfect coach, im not a big fan of him, but Devils were hot offensive team with very good defense and young hot goalie. And after all the problem they faced, they drafted one way Offensively minded left winger Perreault. I think they should start to worry about Drury, not about Shestyorkin, Zibanejad, Panarin or Lafreniere. May be its not a good idea to use three young players on the same line and build the team with tonns of left handed one way wingers.
And I would not make ANY conclusions after the Hurricanes series as Devils fan. Not about defense, or coaching, or Meier etc. Team had no rest and wasn't ready for the next step.
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I actually don’t have much problem with Pronman’s list, non-blue chip prospects are always longer shots.
With the big decrease in PP time, and one defenseman on the PP, smaller offensive PP2 QBs aren’t really much of a thing these days. He started to value bigger, toolsy defensemen because they make the NHL a lot more.
You got to figure out how to identify the right toolsy ones and you still need to care about the smaller fellas.
With the big decrease in PP time, and one defenseman on the PP, smaller offensive PP2 QBs aren’t really much of a thing these days. He started to value bigger, toolsy defensemen because they make the NHL a lot more.
You got to figure out how to identify the right toolsy ones and you still need to care about the smaller fellas.
glenwo2
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Excuse my randomness but I still love this GIF even now :
As a 100% Gallant fan, Rangers firing Gallant was really annoying. Gallant is the sort of sigma person that probably takes few years off again, no matter what others offer him, and we won't be able to see his style of leadership that I really enjoy following.
It's hard to see Rangers benefiting from this. I'm not happy if they take a dive, but I'm guessing this isn't the best place to collect sympathies for this.
If I was the Coyotes gm, I'd be bombing emails to Gallant on daily basis.
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It’s interesting watching the Rangers team develop. I feel like they are what the Devils would have been had more of Shero’s moves worked. The young kids on that team have to either force their way into the top spots or they have to adapt to what’s available.
I don’t really have an issue with the Rangers drafting. The draft builds a pipeline. Fitz did a good job trading from strength (LD) and improving a weakness (power wing).
I wonder if the Buch trade has made Drury gun-shy on trading more of his high profile youth. I don’t think trading Buch was bad, it was the return that was the issue. Kakko, Laf still have value - but with Othman, Perrault, etc in the pipeline and Kreider, Panarin signed to term, Drury needs to make some decisions.
I really don’t think it’s the case with the young kids. Jack, Bratt, Nico all would’ve found their way to being these players. They’re too talented not to and all of them showed that talent from the start. They’re just flat out better than the Rangers young forwards. Mercer as well has gotten very similar usage to what Laf has. Difference is Mercer is capable of standing out more lower in the lineup and when given a top 6 shot has taken it and run with it every time he's gotten it. He was great when he got to play with Bratt to start his rookie year. He was productive later in that year when he got to play with Jack. We saw what he did last year with Nico and Tatar.
Nah the Buch trade was just awful. What are uou doing trading a mid 20s two way winger who just put up 48 pts in 54 games when you’re trying to compete? It’s not like the cap was the issue. He signed a very reasonable deal that the Rangers could’ve afforded had they not gone full caveman brain
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