Real cheap, for 1 year. Could be possible. Wouldn't make sense on our side to give him long-term either.
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Real cheap, for 1 year. Could be possible. Wouldn't make sense on our side to give him long-term either.
No we don’t. The Smith hate is so dumb. Smith’s a perfectly serviceable bottom pair D. Having Smith as the 4LD and Nemec as the 4RD is a really strong position to be in.
Also Dumba’s not really all that great himself and probably gets overpaid. I’d much rather stick with what we have and do nothing with that cap for now.
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Yeah accruing cap space for a deadline deal is a perfectly reasonable decision to make here. Team seems set once Bahl is signed unless the magical Hellebuyck trade materializes to me.
lol I think this is probably what we should see but I’m imaging Lindy has something radically different in mind. Like last year where all through camp he basically had the lines people thought would be good and then immediately upon game 1 it was completely different
I don’t really want to go Nico-Toffoli because that probably means Jack-Mercer and I think Mercer is better with Nico. I don’t think you’d have to pair Bratt and Meier together to drive a 3rd line to great success. If I were to do it then I’d probably move Bratt down since he’d mesh better with Holtz and having Holtz play with the guy he trains with probably helps him out too. Then Palat with the Jack-Toffoli pair and Meier with the Nico-Mercer pair.
Ideally to me Holtz really hits and you can put him with Jack. Then I’m sliding both Bratt and Toffoli down to Haula. Hopefully H2O could pop like people hoped it could. Then the standard Nico line. If H2O isn’t super great then I think you could try Meier there and flip him and Palat. Try to get Palat to recreate the Tatar magic with Nico-Mercer since stylistically they’re somewhat similar. I’ve always been pretty vocally against the Meier-Jack pair since they both shoot so damn much and I’d like to have that spread out but I wouldn’t be opposed to running Meier-Jack-Holtz and see how that goes. Could also just go Bratt with Jack-Holtz and Palat with Haula-Toffoli. I’m not the biggest fan of this because I think you could get a lot more out of Toffoli with Jack and/or Bratt and he should be with one of them or Nico
I also think you could lighten Nico’s defensive load and use say Palat-Haula-Mercer as the more defensive oriented line and slide Holtz up to say Jack and Bratt and run Meier-Nico-Toffoli
The options are seemingly endless. As long as we let the Haula-Jack thing die there’s not really orientations that I’d have big problems with (even that could work if it’s 3C Mercer with a Bratt or Meier next to him).
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No, I'm not serious.
Dumba projects to be about as good as graves this year. If you can get him for a song, I think the team should absolutely do it.
Not that I actually think it’s in process or likely to happen.
Not that I actually think it’s in process or likely to happen.
I think every combination you mentioned plus more will be used by Ruff.
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I don't want Dumba at all for the sheer fact that Lindy won't be able to help himself when Luke has his f*** ups as a young dman. We bitched all of last year with how guys like Wood and Smith had insane leeway with him with their mess ups while the youth got staple gunned to the bench when they did something wrong. If the Devils had a different roster construction, I'd be ok with Dumba but absolutely not with this current one.
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It would be so cheap that it would have to be for 1 year but I’m skeptical he can’t do better than signing with us for peanuts.
We haven’t signed Bahl, we don’t have much cap space left at all.
I get not going for max dollars with a 1 year deal by signing with a garbage team. Klingberg tanked his already damaged market value by signing with the worst defensive team in the league. But he should make something respectable.
He would really need to back himself into a corner to take no term AND no AAV.
I need a better rumor source before I care enough to wonder about Dumba’s remaining suitors and future though.
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I guess it makes sense if he thinks the Devils look like cup contenders and that he can help us win. Having a strong year on the cup winners would set him up for a big contract next year.
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Haula-Hughes-Holtz would be cool just because we can post Triple H memes about it.
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Dumba would essentially have to take a 1 year, $1 million contract at most for it to make any sense for us. I just don’t see it.
Devils come in 5th in The Athletics contract efficiency ranking (which excludes goalies & doesn't seem to apply ELC's) behind Florida, Carolina, Colorado & Boston.
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There’s just one thing holding the Devils back from moving up further into the top five and that’s Ondrej Palat’s deal, which has four years remaining at $6 million per. It seemed like a fine idea at the time, but it’s looking much harder to justify these days as the 32-year-old continues to decline.
That’s no matter because every other deal here ranges from perfectly adequate to devilishly good. The team’s top six is especially worthy of envy, not just for the price attached to each entity but also the term. The Devils are set to build a superteam for years to come with seven years of Jack Hughes, four years of Nico Hischier and eight years each of Jesper Bratt and Timo Meier. That’s an elite core four where the combined expected value over the life of their contracts is $44.7 million. The Devils are actually paying just $32 million — enough savings to fit another superstar if they wanted to. Or a lot of depth.
It helps that they were able to lock up Hughes and Hischer before either became the elite centers they are today. The Devils have two of the best contracts in hockey as a result of fortunate timing.
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NHL contract efficiency, 2023 edition: Which teams spend their money most wisely?
Here’s how each NHL team stacks up with regard to the efficiency of all the skater contracts they currently have signed.
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There’s just one thing holding the Devils back from moving up further into the top five and that’s Ondrej Palat’s deal, which has four years remaining at $6 million per. It seemed like a fine idea at the time, but it’s looking much harder to justify these days as the 32-year-old continues to decline.
That’s no matter because every other deal here ranges from perfectly adequate to devilishly good. The team’s top six is especially worthy of envy, not just for the price attached to each entity but also the term. The Devils are set to build a superteam for years to come with seven years of Jack Hughes, four years of Nico Hischier and eight years each of Jesper Bratt and Timo Meier. That’s an elite core four where the combined expected value over the life of their contracts is $44.7 million. The Devils are actually paying just $32 million — enough savings to fit another superstar if they wanted to. Or a lot of depth.
It helps that they were able to lock up Hughes and Hischer before either became the elite centers they are today. The Devils have two of the best contracts in hockey as a result of fortunate timing.
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It’s hard to take that contract value stuff seriously. Marino at a C+ makes me question the rating of basically any defense contract.
And their statement that the Palat deal seemed like a good idea at the time but is now hard to justify? It was a bad idea at the time, but he plays one year with a groin injury where he also scored one of the biggest goals of the year and now they say the contract is hard to justify?
All feels like clickbait
And their statement that the Palat deal seemed like a good idea at the time but is now hard to justify? It was a bad idea at the time, but he plays one year with a groin injury where he also scored one of the biggest goals of the year and now they say the contract is hard to justify?
All feels like clickbait
It’s not clickbait. Marino’s just dragged by 2 mediocre Pittsburgh years. Solely last years model value for him was 6.7. A lot of people thought the Palat signing was a good signing at the time. I don’t see why it’s hard to get that now people would say it’s hard to justify. He’s a 32 year old making 6 for the next 4 and isn’t worth 6 even now. If you thought it was a bad idea at the time then you could surely see why people who once thought it made sense now would say it doesn’t.
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Palat was overpayed and it was obvious in the moment, but he was signed for balancing and for playoff, what he actually did, plus we can't deny his locker room impact and experience. It was a sign for ltring or trading from the biggining, but its not a problem with hiw things are going in the league, with cap rise, with Holtz, Gritsyuk and may be Filmon on ELC. So overall its a good sign, Devils aren't in the cup crunch because of this deal in the first two years and it's look like they will not be after this season in the third year.
And it didn't hurt us to not trade for Meier/sign Bratt, like it could with Johnny Gaudreanee.
We have good depth, traded and signed Meier, signed Bratt, have cap space for deadline move, have cap for sign Mercer without cap problems for the first three years of Palats deal. And we won against rags in the first round in the first year of Palats deal, and he helped with it. So for fifth year deal of experienced vet its a good to okay deal. So Palats sign was good from the beginning to the end of his third or may be even fourth year.
I was never much of a fan of the Palat signing, but if that's the only bad contract on the books for a top tier team you're doing something right.
I'm also willing to give him a bit of a mulligan on last season, as I think the injury affected him throughout the season/playoffs.
I'm also willing to give him a bit of a mulligan on last season, as I think the injury affected him throughout the season/playoffs.
Devils come in 5th in The Athletics contract efficiency ranking (which excludes goalies & doesn't seem to apply ELC's) behind Florida, Carolina, Colorado & Boston.
NHL contract efficiency, 2023 edition: Which teams spend their money most wisely?
Here’s how each NHL team stacks up with regard to the efficiency of all the skater contracts they currently have signed.
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There’s just one thing holding the Devils back from moving up further into the top five and that’s Ondrej Palat’s deal, which has four years remaining at $6 million per. It seemed like a fine idea at the time, but it’s looking much harder to justify these days as the 32-year-old continues to decline.
That’s no matter because every other deal here ranges from perfectly adequate to devilishly good. The team’s top six is especially worthy of envy, not just for the price attached to each entity but also the term. The Devils are set to build a superteam for years to come with seven years of Jack Hughes, four years of Nico Hischier and eight years each of Jesper Bratt and Timo Meier. That’s an elite core four where the combined expected value over the life of their contracts is $44.7 million. The Devils are actually paying just $32 million — enough savings to fit another superstar if they wanted to. Or a lot of depth.
It helps that they were able to lock up Hughes and Hischer before either became the elite centers they are today. The Devils have two of the best contracts in hockey as a result of fortunate timing.
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Interesting analysis, but choosing not to include goalies is kind of crazy, because that would immediately drop Florida by a few spots, solely due to Bobrovsky's deal.
I guess they're just throwing their hands up and saying that goalies are voodoo. Hard to blame them, but still, it detracts from the analysis.
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I think the Devils ride this out through training camp. So many teams overloaded on 3G on one-way deals that if you think Schmid needs more time, there is going to be an option on the waiver wire.
With Kallgren and Schmid both not needing waivers, you can always send them down, claim a guy like Nedelkjovic, and then ride that for the first couple months to keep Schmid playing regularly in the AHL.
I thought of this the other day, but I wonder if Bernier gets an invite to training camp on a PTO. More than likely his career is over after missing a year and a half, but it won’t hurt anyone to do that. If he looks good, he can be a nice cushion between Vanecek and Schmid.
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I think Palat will bounce back in a big way. I’m currently dealing with a relatively minor adductor issue that I keep re-aggravating..I can’t imagine getting surgery mid-season and coming back.
Yeah, I agree it's an incomplete analysis without goalies and ELC's as well. Not sure why goalies aren't included, since I'm fairly Dom's model accounts for them. Certainly Florida gets dropped a few spots when accounting for goalies and I'd think NJ would go up if accounting for ELC's.
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HE BACK! 2 years, 1.05M AAV
Bahl Re-Signs with Devils, Inks Two-Year Contract | RELEASE | New Jersey Devils
Bahl, 23, played in a career-high 42 games in 2022-23
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HE BACK! 2 years, 1.05M AAV
Palat deserves the mulligan for sure. He had played an insane amount of hockey for the previous several years.
A long offseason with plenty of time to rehab the mid-season surgery will do him wonders.
I’m willing to bet that there will be plenty of steamy crow dinners served around here.
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