Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2023-24 season part III

[Call Me Al]

wasn’t ferraro taken with the pick we traded for micro mueller? let’s correct a wrong lol

 

[Cheddabombs]

Experimenting with some new Dano creations for post ASG. Stay tuned

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Oh my!!

 

[Triumph]

I don't see how Muk's days were numbered with the organization.

Yes, Hughes was a lock for LD spot (though he could've played RD if that side were a weakness) and we have Siegenthaler signed for another 3 seasons after this. Beyond that though...???

I don't think Bahl had a spot on lockdown at the time of the trade, which is why he only got signed to a 2-year deal not much beyond league minimum this summer.

Vilen, Misyul, Hatakka are all nice prospects, but no sure things. No reason we couldn't have held onto Muk long-term, but one of our top prospects had to go the other way to acquire Meier.

Sure, there's a spot on the 3rd pairing, maybe, but where's the future there? You have 3 other guys ahead of him for a spot on the power play, and the guys ahead of him on the depth chart at LD are 20 and 27. with the 27 year old signed for 4 more years. Plus you have two other now-rookies on defense with him - it's just not looking good for his long-term status, and additionally he's going to decline in value relative to what he should because he won't likely be used on the power play. Plus I haven't even said anything about Bahl, who's 2 years older and also a young player and while he's not likely to be better long-term, Mukhamadullin would have to do a lot to jump him on the depth chart.

The most critical thing is that he's waiver-eligible starting in 2025, so there's only a season and a half to get him into being a fixture on the roster.

 

[Guadana]

Sure, there's a spot on the 3rd pairing, maybe, but where's the future there? You have 3 other guys ahead of him for a spot on the power play, and the guys ahead of him on the depth chart at LD are 20 and 27. with the 27 year old signed for 4 more years. Plus you have two other now-rookies on defense with him - it's just not looking good for his long-term status, and additionally he's going to decline in value relative to what he should because he won't likely be used on the power play. Plus I haven't even said anything about Bahl, who's 2 years older and also a young player and while he's not likely to be better long-term, Mukhamadullin would have to do a lot to jump him on the depth chart.

The most critical thing is that he's waiver-eligible starting in 2025, so there's only a season and a half to get him into being a fixture on the roster.

Sergachyov was nice 3rd pair defenseman for some time. And its not like Siegs deal will be not movable when time will come.

Still like the trade, we needed scoring winger with physical abilities more than very good but 3rd pair left defenseman. We can find good defenseman on the market if we need to, we cant find Meier level player on the market and sign him on a reasonable deal. Hope he will be healthier and will return on his form.

 

[Bleedred]

Experimenting with some new Dano creations for post ASG. Stay tuned

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I'm excited!

And I've got some new DD creations for post ASG my friend!

Todd McLellan/Travis Green

Make Bleed Rant Again

 

[Guttersniped]

Fitz better not even think about hiring this worthless Babcock protege if he fires Ruff this offseason.

It would be something if that f***ing Loser ended up here. (That’s his given name, right?)

 

[Guadana]

It would be something if that f***ing Loser ended up here. (That’s his given name, right?)

Michel monsieur la douche.

 

[Clam Jensen]

wasn’t ferraro taken with the pick we traded for micro mueller? let’s correct a wrong lol

Such a small defenseman, he was.

 

[glenwo2]

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Just have to say : THIS along with Phil Leotardo have to be the most satisfying scenes from the show, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[britdevil]

Just have to say : THIS along with Phil Leotardo have to be the most satisfying scenes from the show, as far as I'm concerned.

Uncle Philly didn't get enough respect from that glorified crew, he did TWENTY YEARS IN THE CAN.

 

[Triumph]

Sergachyov was nice 3rd pair defenseman for some time. And its not like Siegs deal will be not movable when time will come.

Still like the trade, we needed scoring winger with physical abilities more than very good but 3rd pair left defenseman. We can find good defenseman on the market if we need to, we cant find Meier level player on the market and sign him on a reasonable deal. Hope he will be healthier and will return on his form.

Sergachev was 19 and 20 when he was doing that, breaking in on a largely veteran team. Mukhamadullin is already older. And I agree Siegenthaler could move, but it's still just that we have 3 D who can play on the power play and only 2 spots.

 

[Bleedred]

Just have to say : THIS along with Phil Leotardo have to be the most satisfying scenes from the show, as far as I'm concerned.

I have to say Ralph was a bit more satisfying. He was even worse than Richie. He was the most rotten, evil character on the show. He barely avoided being whacked numerous times in his 1.5 seasons on the show. Which makes the comments ''To whack a guy over a f***in horse?'' pretty delusional, as he had it coming to him for a long time. He really shouldn't have survived killing his pregnant girlfriend in what I think was his third episode? But in television and movies there's this thing called plot armor.

Christopher was another one.

I have to say that Tony is one of the the most humanized characters in the series. He's still a piece of shit, but he's not as big of one as almost anybody else on the show. They kind of had to make the protagonist sort of likable or at least stomach-able. Tony wasn't quite as racist as the other characters. He was racist (Meadow's boyfriend in season 3? That incident?), but he wasn't to the level of some of the characters. He wasn't a chronic woman beater. He did choke Gloria once (who reminded him of his mother), he did go after Carm a few times and almost hit her, but he wasn't like Christopher on Adriana or Richie to Janice just prior to that scene above. He never suffocated an old woman to death like Paulie did (he almost did to his mother though, but that's a whole different topic), he didn't run a guy over and paralyze him like Richie. He also really wanted to let Vito live (mostly for financial reasons) and seemed to be the least bit bothered by Vito being gay, unlike the rest of the crew and Phil. Patsy didn't seem to care either.

Bobby is actually probably the most decent and best hearted character on the show. He didn't cheat on his wives and he didn't even kill anybody at all (not even before the show's timeline) until one of the last episodes of the entire series.

I just rewatched the series again with my friend. He had never seen it before. He got sucked into it. He couldn't wait to get over here and watch another few episodes after work! He did get a little out of hand with always asking ''Does this one die? Does that one die? How many seasons does he last for?'' though haha.

 

[Bleedred]

It would be something if that f***ing Loser ended up here. (That’s his given name, right?)

Plot twist of the season

Fitz fires Ruff over the weekend, though it's not clear right away who his replacement is. People rejoice for the hour in between the announcement of Ruff's firing and who the replacement is. Then an hour later it's announced Todd McLellan as his replacement.

Of course I spend the entire hour in between fearing it's McLellan.

That would almost be funny, but I doubt I would laughing it if were real.

 

[Bleedred]

Uncle Philly didn't get enough respect from that glorified crew, he did TWENTY YEARS IN THE CAN.

He wanted a woman, but he compromised. He jacked off into a tissue. He wanted (I'm not sure what that dish was, sounded like manicotti with a thick Italian pronunciation maybe?) but he compromised. He ate grilled cheese off the radiator.

There's a lot of interesting fan theories out there. I think the show is as popular now as it ever was.

I think we would have seen a Sopranos sequel instead of the prequel (we may have gotten that too) had Gandolfini lived. It would have happened by now. But now the actor is dead, so the show as we knew it and any chance of it being resurrected is also dead. And all we'll get are prequels. And every other character we'd care about was either already killed off on the show or they've died in real life. I don't think there's any route where AJ goes into the family business and he takes over and they do a sequel on that? I don't think so, and they really shouldn't. I've never seen the prequel by the way. I have mild interest in it.

And since Gandolfini's death, David Chase has all but confirmed that Tony was indeed whacked in the series finale. He also said he had originally written it to where Tony was whacked on screen by New York/the Lupertazzi family, but it made him mad that the fans grew to love Tony all those years, only to wanna see him whacked in the end.

I think Tony was whacked, only because the real Tony was no longer living. If he survived then I think the Tony character survives and we would have already seen him again by now.

 

[BostonDevil]

The show was tremendously overrated.

Meadow and A.J. were a waste of screen time. Lorraine Bracco went to the Weezy Jefferson school of acting (she can't) and Chase intentionally tried to remove any type of fun that may have been happening before you enjoyed it too much. I could go on...

You want a really good show? Follow Paulie and Silvio 24/7.

There. I said it.



Fire Lindy

 

[glenwo2]

Uncle Philly didn't get enough respect from that glorified crew, he did TWENTY YEARS IN THE CAN.

Let's be frank here.

He also had Vito beaten to death because he was Gay.

No one gets any respect from me after that sh-t.

Rest in Pieces, Shoe-shine boy.

 

[Bleedred]

Let's be frank here.

He had Vito beaten to death because he was Gay.

No one gets any respect from me after that sh-t.

Rest in Pieces, Shoe-shine boy.

There's a theory out there that Phil and Vito were lovers and Phil had Vito whacked so he wouldn't out Phil next, after it became known that Vito was gay.

I don't think I believe that they were lovers, though I do believe the theory that Phil could have been secretly gay like Vito had been. There's a few clues that he may be, including him coming out of a closet in the scene where they kill Vito.

That entire storyline showed how ridiculous of hypocrites these people are. They're a bunch of murderers, thieves and adulterers and they hid behind their Catholic faith when it was convenient for them. Between the conversations Phil's wife had with him ''Father says he's damned to hell if he doesn't repent''. By the way, this is one of the scenes they point to in the Phil is gay theory. That he's caught up in his thoughts and thinking about his own sexuality when his wife says that.

And then Carlo telling Tony that he should be put down for the sake of the family, and how it violates their principles and is a sin lol. That even has Tony like ''Please!'' and shaking his head.

And when Tony talks to Melfi about it and says ''I'm a strict Catholic'' which he also hid behind when he refused to divorce Carmella. Yes, they're such strict Catholics, until it comes to staying faithful to their wives and murdering/stealing.

It was actually a fantastic storyline to point out the hypocrisy in these people. It made both Tony's guys and Phil's look terribly stupid.

 

[glenwo2]

There's a theory out there that Phil and Vito were lovers and Phil had Vito whacked so he wouldn't out Phil next, after it became known that Vito was gay.

I don't think I believe that they were lovers, though I do believe the theory that Phil could have been secretly gay like Vito had been. There's a few clues that he may be, including him coming out of a closet in the scene where they kill Vito.

That entire storyline showed how ridiculous of hypocrites these people are. They're a bunch of murderers, thieves and adulterers and they hid behind their Catholic faith when it was convenient for them. Between the conversations Phil's wife had with him ''Father says he's damned to hell if he doesn't repent''. By the way, this is one of the scenes they point to in the Phil is gay theory. That he's caught up in his thoughts and thinking about his own sexuality when his wife says that.

And then Carlo telling Tony that he should be put down for the sake of the family, and how it violates their principles and is a sin lol. That even has Tony like ''Please!'' and shaking his head.

And when Tony talks to Melfi about it and says ''I'm a strict Catholic'' which he also hid behind when he refused to divorce Carmella. Yes, they're such strict Catholics, until it comes to staying faithful to their wives and murdering/stealing.

It was actually a fantastic storyline to point out the hypocrisy in these people. It made both Tony's guys and Phil's look terribly stupid.

I think you may be overthinking it in regards to Phil.

Never once while I watched his scenes did I think to myself he might be secretly gay.

All I saw was someone who orchestrated a deadly hate crime on Vito.

So F him(the character, not the actor) and F everyone that acts like him IRL.

 

[Bone Density]

There's a theory out there that Phil and Vito were lovers and Phil had Vito whacked so he wouldn't out Phil next, after it became known that Vito was gay.

I don't think I believe that they were lovers, though I do believe the theory that Phil could have been secretly gay like Vito had been. There's a few clues that he may be, including him coming out of a closet in the scene where they kill Vito.

That entire storyline showed how ridiculous of hypocrites these people are. They're a bunch of murderers, thieves and adulterers and they hid behind their Catholic faith when it was convenient for them. Between the conversations Phil's wife had with him ''Father says he's damned to hell if he doesn't repent''. By the way, this is one of the scenes they point to in the Phil is gay theory. That he's caught up in his thoughts and thinking about his own sexuality when his wife says that.

And then Carlo telling Tony that he should be put down for the sake of the family, and how it violates their principles and is a sin lol. That even has Tony like ''Please!'' and shaking his head.

And when Tony talks to Melfi about it and says ''I'm a strict Catholic'' which he also hid behind when he refused to divorce Carmella. Yes, they're such strict Catholics, until it comes to staying faithful to their wives and murdering/stealing.

It was actually a fantastic storyline to point out the hypocrisy in these people. It made both Tony's guys and Phil's look terribly stupid.

There were a lot of implications Phil was gay himself, coming out of the closet when they kill Vito, all the talk about what he did in jail, the price he paid ( I gotta do another rewatch soon, you're hyping me up)

edit: just saw you mentioned that too lol

 

[Bleedred]

I think you may be overthinking it in regards to Phil.

Never once while I watched his scenes did I think to myself he might be secretly gay.

All I saw was someone who orchestrated a deadly hate crime on Vito.

So F him(the character, not the actor) and F everyone that acts like him IRL.

The theory that he may be gay is also based on the type of homophobe that’s so incredibly homophobic that they’re trying to cover up their own sexuality. I can tell you I had a family member like this. I would actually get into this more, but I tend to keep certain personal things off the forum, due to family members who I have told my user name on here when we were on better terms. Whether they remember it or not is a different story. However, I’m certainly open to sharing this story through PM.

Regardless, we’re in agreement that the whole thing was disgusting and nauseating.

Vito was a bad guy, and even killed an innocent bystander who wanted to file an accident report after he drunkenly plowed into the back of his Jeep. But no one should ever under any circumstances be killed for their sexuality. And not only that, they shouldn’t be condemned for it either. The entire storyline shows how morally bankrupt these people are.

 

[Bone Density]

Two amazing series'.

 

[Bleedred]

There were a lot of implications Phil was gay himself, coming out of the closet when they kill Vito, all the talk about what he did in jail, the price he paid ( I gotta do another rewatch soon, you're hyping me up)

edit: just saw you mentioned that too lol

Every scene in those few episodes when Phil and Tony met were “Vito! What’s being done about him?”. Under the guise of “he’s married to my cousin!”.

If the rest of Tony’s crew weren’t also a bunch of militant and hateful homophobes, Tony probably could have easily fought Phil over it. Phil had no business telling Tony he needed to whack a guy that worked for him. But guys in Vito’s crew refused to take orders from him if he came back. And Paulie, Christopher and Carlo all wanted blood from him. Patsy didn’t seem to care and said he couldn’t care less. Bobby didn’t seem to want him whacked, but just said “we can’t have him in our social club anymore”. Silvio didn’t seem to have that strong of an opinion one way or the other. He agreed he needed to go, but wasn’t as militant about it as the other guys.

 

[Bleedred]

Two amazing series'.

One of those dumb goons Jackie Jr. robs the card game with is wearing a Devils hat when they’re eating at the pizzeria.

And Paulie also mentions to Puss in season one I think? Something about Devils tickets “Right along the ice”.

One other thing in regards to the character of Phil.

Phil was also really uptight about Johnny Sac crying when the Feds took him back before his daughter could leave at her wedding that they let him out for. He was so bothered by John crying and said his estimation of him as a man plummeted because of that. That’s toxic masculinity in one of its highest forms.

We do see Phil crying in the hospital not too many episodes later after he has a heart attack and Tony visits him. Phil clearly was not comfortable with his masculinity.

 

[Bone Density]

Every scene in those few episodes when Phil and Tony met were “Vito! What’s being done about him?”. Under the guise of “he’s married to my cousin!”.

If the rest of Tony’s crew weren’t also a bunch of militant and hateful homophobes, Tony probably could have easily fought Phil over it. Phil had no business telling Tony he needed to whack a guy that worked for him. But guys in Vito’s crew refused to take orders from him if he came back. And Paulie, Christopher and Carlo all wanted blood from him. Patsy didn’t seem to care and said he couldn’t care less. Bobby didn’t seem to want him whacked, but just said “we can’t have him in our social club anymore”. Silvio didn’t seem to have that strong of an opinion one way or the other. He agreed he needed to go, but wasn’t as militant about it as the other guys.

Not sure if you saw this, but I timestamped it for ya, or go to 25:40, Chase confirms it.

 

[britdevil]

One of those dumb goons Jackie Jr. robs the card game with is wearing a Devils hat when they’re eating at the pizzeria.

And Paulie also mentions to Puss in season one I think? Something about Devils tickets “Right along the ice”.

One other thing in regards to the character of Phil.

Phil was also really uptight about Johnny Sac crying when the Feds took him back before his daughter could leave at her wedding that they let him out for. He was so bothered by John crying and said his estimation of him as a man plummeted because of that. That’s toxic masculinity in one of its highest forms.

We do see Phil crying in the hospital not too many episodes later after he has a heart attack and Tony visits him. Phil clearly was not comfortable with his masculinity.

Still going this asshole