Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2022-23 season thread part III

[ninetyeight]

No one other than Jack is scoring and if they did we would have won several games that we lost during this streak by 1 goal by cashing in on some of our ass ton of early scoring chances.

Two of the goals in 1-4 Dallas loss were EN goals and one goal in the 2-4 Florida game was an EN goal. We lost the Rangers game in OT and the Dallas game 1-2.

Some goals from anyone not named Jack Hughes could have won some of those games. I don’t see how that’s a goaltending problem.

This was kinda my point, Vanecek being average is just not enough if the guy on the other side is getting Vezina votes. When you win the Corsi and xGoals battle, it more than likely comes down to goaltending. Hockey is a weird sport, sometimes both teams just score (like that Kraken Kings 8-7 or whatever that game was) and some nights neither team can really score and a good goalie will decide the game.

Also getting .800-something sv% goaltending sucks the life out of your team. The players are just humans and sometimes it can be very demoralizing when the opponent goalie looks unbeatable and every sloppy shot they throw goes in on your end.

 

[OmNomNom]

let's bring okh up lol

 

[JrFischer54]

Really remarkable the devils go from darlings to pumpkins in 2 weeks time. Every hockey pundit is going to have egg on their face saying they were the real deal if they don’t turn this around.

 

[guitarguyvic]

Really remarkable the devils go from darlings to pumpkins in 2 weeks time. Every hockey pundit is going to have egg on their face saying they were the real deal if they don’t turn this around.

And if they turn it around every one who is soiling their undies because of this losing streak are going to look like quite silly. It works both ways.

 

[Guttersniped]

I was just saying what the vibe is at the main board, whether you care or not.

I'm glad you guys love Rags, Isles, Leafs, Panthers etc fans gloating, but I certainly don't. I'm also slightly annoyed that the fanbase I'm apart of is now considered one of the most obnoxious. Apparantly the, Devils now got hosed on the Marino trade as well.

I apploud your tough guy I dont care what anyone thinks east coast attitudes. But some of us mentally fragile foreigners are not used to getting shit on. And I actually don't like that what was suppose to be a fun, young exciting hockey team, people are now rooting that they lose and celebrate when they do.

If we’re considered one of “the most obnoxious” then who’s less obnoxious? Spoiler: Every fanbase is considered obnoxious unless they’re ignored or don’t show up here much. (Especially by fans who don’t like that team.)

Also a few weird trollish brand new accounts popped up claiming to be NJ Devils fans during the streak and then said some outlandish shit, they even started a couple of the dumber threads.

And a few main board-only Devils fans also deliberately antagonize other fanbases so the shoe actually fits there.

We can’t police them or apologize for them.

And only small part of that take is based on any actual Devils fan behavior. It’s also just ole fashioned shit talking.

If people on the main board want to paint an entire fanbase as uniquely obnoxious then there’s no fighting that sort of lazy bad faith bullshit.

I’m not a robot and actually I went on one of the main threads during the streak to counter the “Devils fans are so arrogant” bs, so I can’t say I don’t care at all.

But I know I can’t stop people from saying dumb things or trollish takes that some people started peddling very early on during the streak.

I will say I have no idea why you would check out these threads during the losing streak lol, I’m not a glutton for punishment like that.

If they’re saying the Marino trade didn’t work out for us they’re hilariously wrong and who cares? Our system is hard on new defensemen and Marino already has our defense’s best defensive metrics, and eye test results, while playing the toughest minutes. He’s a 25 year old cost controlled RHD and is very much worth his contract.

Backlash for gloating about the Marino trade is deserved because it was dumb. Trading for Petry and signing Rutta seems to be working out ok for Pens in the short term. Smith could be useful to them in the longterm. Saying Smith being in the AHL is an L ignored that PO Joseph was not no longer waiver exempt and Smith was. It looks like Joseph is playing well.

I still think we won the trade but I don’t care what the Pen fans think.

And remember the bitchfest over Dom’s model not appreciating Marino? It needed more time folks, but who has patience when immediately shitting on things works so well.

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His updated card from 12/19

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

So true. You're right. You're always right

if my posts bother you so much, you can just scroll past my guy.

and thanks! I know I am right.

 

[Akuma]

Devils could use a second line goal scorer. What names would be available and what contract could we move out in return?

 

[guitarguyvic]

If we’re considered one of “the most obnoxious” then who’s less obnoxious? Spoiler: Every fanbase is considered obnoxious unless they’re ignored or don’t show up here much. (Especially by fans who don’t like that team.)

Also a few weird trollish brand new accounts popped up claiming to be NJ Devils fans during the streak and then said some outlandish shit, they even started a couple of the dumber threads.

And a few main board-only Devils fans also deliberately antagonize other fanbases so the shoe actually fits there.

We can’t police them or apologize for them.

And only small part of that take is based on any actual Devils fan behavior. It’s also just ole fashioned shit talking.

If people on the main board want to paint an entire fanbase as uniquely obnoxious then there’s no fighting that sort of lazy bad faith bullshit.

I’m not a robot and actually I went on one of the main threads during the streak to counter the “Devils fans are so arrogant” bs, so I can’t say I don’t care at all.

But I know I can’t stop people from saying dumb things or trollish takes that some people started peddling very early on during the streak.

I will say I have no idea why you would check out these threads during the losing streak lol, I’m not a glutton for punishment like that.

If they’re saying the Marino trade didn’t work out for us they’re hilariously wrong and who cares? Our system is hard on new defensemen and Marino already has our defense’s best defensive metrics, and eye test results, while playing the toughest minutes. He’s a 25 year old cost controlled RHD and is very much worth his contract.

Backlash for gloating about the Marino trade is deserved because it was dumb. Trading for Petry and signing Rutta seems to be working out ok for Pens in the short term. Smith could be useful to them in the longterm. Saying Smith being in the AHL is an L ignored that PO Joseph was not no longer waiver exempt and Smith was. It looks like Joseph is playing well.

I still think we won the trade but I don’t care what the Pen fans think.

And remember the bitchfest over Dom’s model not appreciating Marino? It needed more time folks, but who has patience when immediately shitting on things works so well.

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I mean between the people around me when I go to games and what I see on social media, our fans are very much obnoxious, fickle, and boorish. I have no idea where they’d rank compared to every other fanbase though.

 

[Rhodes 81]

Really remarkable the devils go from darlings to pumpkins in 2 weeks time. Every hockey pundit is going to have egg on their face saying they were the real deal if they don’t turn this around.

The thing is, there's really no reason to believe they won't turn it around other than that they were bad in the past.

Just looking at this streak, they could easily be 3-3 or something over it and no one would be freaking out. They probably should have won that Rags OT game, they played the Stars close and allowed a couple empty net goals to make it look worse, They absolutely bodied the Flyers but just couldn't score, and last night was also a pretty even game where the opponent got better goaltending.

It sucks to be on a losing streak, but they are not going to get goalied every night like they have been for most of these games, and eventually the D will snap out of their funk.

I said this a day or two ago, but this losing streak is only ugly if you're expecting them to continue winning at a 21-4-1 pace through the entire season. Assuming you realize that's not going to happen for any team, they still have plenty of opportunities to take care of business against bad teams and bad goaltending moving forward. The streak just sucks because if they had won 2-3 of these games, we wouldn't have to hear about it from all of the ignorant media and fans that can't wait to say "told ya so."

 

[Camille the Eel]

We've got a bit less than 2/3ds of the season to go. It's not the time to be writing the season's obituary. This is a tough stretch of games that you could spot coming by looking at the schedule before the season.

 

[Guttersniped]

I mean if saying “I will remain skeptical until they actually perform well enough to win on the ice for an extended period of time” is unreasonable…

Well the thing is that’s not the vibe, that’s why i said the majority of the posts are actually reasonable. You seem to be hung up on a small vocal minority. There will always be some amount of people like that, you can’t expect every single person to be singing our praises even when it’s warranted, much less now when there’s an excuse to cast doubt.

Oh, I didn’t mean it as a back-handed complement. I remember you were more negative but I honestly wasn’t referring to your past takes or anything.

It’s just funny to me that lots of posts are people are people running around with their hair on fire and your measured responses have been killing it. Everytime you post it’s

I’m actually pegged as the pessimist in my family, with my brother being more optimistic and my dad being cartoonishly optimistic.

I don’t consider myself pessimistic, which seems more of an emotional reaction to me, more just realistic.

I did get hung up on people people being negative, when I know I should probably see it as venting, because 1) I didn’t see how it helps 2) they were at times irrationally negative with terrible arguments 3) I hate complaining (I was raised by stoic Eastern European woman, it’s just how I roll.)

(The only thing that really broke me was the goaltending lol.)

I get frustrated during this losing streak and got elated during win streak but some people have run to extremes with it that I’m not capable of this early.

We were Stanley Cup Contenders and now we’re teetering on the brink of missing the playoffs.

I personally believe a lot negativity doesn’t make things enjoyable for other people. If people are genuinely despairing over this, I don’t think they should, just statistically speaking.

But I can’t make people do or believe anything and I don’t pretend to know what will happen either (that’s sports for ya).

Hell, I thought we weren’t going to make the playoffs at some points in 2017-18 (I thought we kind of blew it) and I didn’t think Hall had any chance to win the MVP until late. I’m actually not that big on hope.

This got very rambling.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

if my posts bother you so much, you can just scroll past my guy.

and thanks! I know I am right.

?? What are you talking about?

I said you're right - We are still a top team in goal differential and we have hit a rough patch.

 

[Akuma]

The thing is, there's really no reason to believe they won't turn it around other than that they were bad in the past.

Just looking at this streak, they could easily be 3-3 or something over it and no one would be freaking out. They probably should have won that Rags OT game, they played the Stars close and allowed a couple empty net goals to make it look worse, They absolutely bodied the Flyers but just couldn't score, and last night was also a pretty even game where the opponent got better goaltending.

It sucks to be on a losing streak, but they are not going to get goalied every night like they have been for most of these games, and eventually the D will snap out of their funk.

I said this a day or two ago, but this losing streak is only ugly if you're expecting them to continue winning at a 21-4-1 pace through the entire season. Assuming you realize that's not going to happen for any team, they still have plenty of opportunities to take care of business against bad teams and bad goaltending moving forward. The streak just sucks because if they had won 2-3 of these games, we wouldn't have to hear about it from all of the ignorant media and fans that can't wait to say "told ya so."

Seems pretty simple

If Hughes Hischier Bratt arent scoring were losing

So if one gets injured or all three dont play well each game, were likely a sub-.500 team

Which is what we should be considering our weak goaltending and lack of secondary scoring. This team doesnt have one 30g scorer besides Jack's first time doing it this year

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

We've got a bit less than 2/3ds of the season to go. It's not the time to be writing the season's obituary. This is a tough stretch of games that you could spot coming by looking at the schedule before the season.

Really, if the team can’t rally and come back from this, they didn’t have it in them to make the playoffs anyway. I believe in the captain. I believe in the group. We don’t even have to be great the rest of the way, just as good or slightly worse than the last team fighting to get in. But I think we’ll be better than that, as long as the goalies give us a chance.

 

[Rhodes 81]

Seems pretty simple

If Hughes Hischier Bratt arent scoring were losing

So if one gets injured or all three dont play well each game, were likely a sub-.500 team

Which is what we should be considering our weak goaltending and lack of secondary scoring. This team doesnt have one 30g scorer besides Jack's first time doing it this year

Sure, most teams don't have good odds in games where none of their top 3 forwards score. The point is you can reasonably expect that those players are not going to continue to not score throughout the rest of the season, which is likely what it would take for this team to not make the playoffs.

We need secondary scoring and for Vanecek/Blackwood to bounce back, for sure. The bigger thing outside of the 3 forwards is that the D has been underperforming compared to how they were playing before. I think shaking up the pairings is in order as those have stayed relatively static. I would try reuniting Seigs with Severson as they played well together last year, and get Bahl into the lineup, maybe with Marino as a pairing to basically play with the Hischier line. Let Dougie and Graves just do whatever and basically play with 5 forwards when they're out there.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Really, if the team can’t rally and come back from this, they didn’t have it in them to make the playoffs anyway. I believe in the captain. I believe in the group. We don’t even have to be great the rest of the way, just as good or slightly worse than the last team fighting to get in. But I think we’ll be better than that, as long as the goalies give us a chance.

I'm worried about a collapse leading to a bunch of "Devils don't play the right way" takes leading to an overreaction by Fitz. With Brunette as the coach-in-waiting and how consistently they've stuck to the plan so far I don't see it happening in season, but pressure and expectations can make front offices start to prioritize job security over championship ceilings and then make mistakes. Washington firing Boudreau and replacing him with Hunter is an in-season example of this, and countless dumb GM signings the off season equivalent.

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

I'm worried about a collapse leading to a bunch of "Devils don't play the right way" takes leading to an overreaction by Fitz. With Brunette as the coach-in-waiting and how consistently they've stuck to the plan so far I don't see it happening in season, but pressure and expectations can make front offices start to prioritize job security over championship ceilings and then make mistakes. Washington firing Boudreau and replacing him with Hunter is an in-season example of this, and countless dumb GM signings the off season equivalent.

The Devils are a analytics driven organization. They will not be making decisions entirely based on who "plays the right way". Maybe our coach in waiting could get his PP going some time soon.

 

[Triumph]

I'm worried about a collapse leading to a bunch of "Devils don't play the right way" takes leading to an overreaction by Fitz. With Brunette as the coach-in-waiting and how consistently they've stuck to the plan so far I don't see it happening in season, but pressure and expectations can make front offices start to prioritize job security over championship ceilings and then make mistakes. Washington firing Boudreau and replacing him with Hunter is an in-season example of this, and countless dumb GM signings the off season equivalent.

I wouldn't be concerned about this given that Fitzgerald didn't fire the coach after last season.

They've got to do a better job in the neutral zone, I don't quite understand how teams are getting as many 2 on 1s as they are against us. They need to stop some of the stuff they're trying on the power play - I'd like to see Hughes retire those attempts on goal from terrible angles, they're low-percentage plays that often result in losing possession.

 

[Nocashstyle]

I wouldn't be concerned about this given that Fitzgerald didn't fire the coach after last season.

They've got to do a better job in the neutral zone, I don't quite understand how teams are getting as many 2 on 1s as they are against us. They need to stop some of the stuff they're trying on the power play - I'd like to see Hughes retire those attempts on goal from terrible angles, they're low-percentage plays that often result in losing possession.

Meh, he does overdue it on those for sure, but I’d rather he do that than try to make a super risky/ill-advised pass. At least with the tough angle shots there is 1.) a chance he finds a hole and it goes in, or 2.) it caused a rebound.

 

[Triumph]

Meh, he does overdue it on those for sure, but I’d rather he do that than try to make a super risky/ill-advised pass. At least with the tough angle shots there is 1.) a chance he finds a hole and it goes in, or 2.) it caused a rebound.

It's fine at ES within reason, this was in the context of the power play, where it's just not the right play. I think he'd have to score those at around 20 percent to make it worth it.

 

[Nocashstyle]

It's fine at ES within reason, this was in the context of the power play, where it's just not the right play. I think he'd have to score those at around 20 percent to make it worth it.

Oops, missed that part. Yep, agreed that’s definitely not the play to make on the PP.

 

[NjDevsRR]

and thanks! I know I am right.

 

[Devils090]

let's bring okh up lol

Love a good one shot KO, that was awesome

Sucks Okh struggled during camp, I’d love to have him up here to light someone up when we need a spark. Although lord knows he’d be a press box all star like Bahl has been.

 

[Guttersniped]

Man, gotta love Cap Friendly trade proposalville.

It seems like half of them are crazy bad Canuck deals.

Bro what is that?

 

[OmNomNom]

LOL we don't want quinn THAT badly