Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2022-23 season thread part III

[PizzaAndPucks]

Islanders were secretly really awful at the end of last year. Gotta give Lou credit on this one, the players were done with Trotz and are doing well under Lambert.

They has a long road trip , something like 13 games last year to kick the season off. They started bad and had a much better 2nd half of the season. They look to be a possible playoff team this year but someone posted with in the last day or two how awful their advanced statistics are. We must of had a really bad game on Thursday because the 2 games I watched the Islanders play at their arena the past week they scored a whopping 1 goal. Trotz should of had a longer leash. If he was still behind the bench I'm sure they would be having a somewhat good season like they have had up until now.

 

[FooteBahl]

Yeah. That was just about borderline but still clean.

Basically a hit that we've seen Stevens do to opponents in the past.

Miles simply got a bad result out of it.

Fortunately (and this is a BIG "Fortunately"), he somehow did not get a concussion out of that.

Hope this is a tough lesson he learned to "keep his head up"(and on a swivel) when he's trying to skate in-between several opposing players.

Can’t get a concussion if there’s nothing to concuss…

 

[MartyOwns]

Pretty much everyone said it was clean, it was close though. It was a shoulder right to Woods chest, his head whiplashed into the shoulder pad after, at least that's what I saw.

take a gander at the GDT. some truly terrible takes on it

 

[Bleedred]

They has a long road trip , something like 13 games last year to kick the season off. They started bad and had a much better 2nd half of the season. They look to be a possible playoff team this year but someone posted with in the last day or two how awful their advanced statistics are. We must of had a really bad game on Thursday because the 2 games I watched the Islanders play at their arena the past week they scored a whopping 1 goal. Trotz should of had a longer leash. If he was still behind the bench I'm sure they would be having a somewhat good season like they have had up until now.

As we know, all bets are off with Lou as to why a coaching change would happen, but it seems they may have fired Trotz for similar reasons as to why the Bruins fired Cassidy after last year.

It may not have been performance reasons. There was talk about how Barzal was not a fan of his and clashed with him, and they were afraid of losing Barzal if they didn't can Trotz. And the fact that they had a bad season and poor record was more of a justifcation.

With Cassidy it seemed like the vets didn't like him. That's why Krejci didn't play in the NHL last year and also the bizarre Bergeron handshake line with the refs after they were eliminated in the playoffs last year. It seemed like he was potentially retiring until they canned Cassidy and then Krejci came back.

 

[MVP Zacha]

I am so done with Haula. He is a terrible hockey player and needs to be benched. He is another McLeod. Good at face-offs and nothing else.

 

[MachoDiablo]

I see people saying they're just conditioned to expect the worst happening at some point given how rough the last decade has been, but I'll just parrot something I said earlier comparing this season with watching the Mets win 101 this past season after a bumpy stretch of time, as well: I'm not worried about anything falling apart, the team has simply conditioned me to expect better of them so it sticks out worse when they have a clunker or play bad for a stretch.

As of now the Devils are playing like a championship caliber club, and while this team is young enough to have multiple cracks at winning a Cup I obviously want them to take this level of play as far as they possibly can this season. Honestly, even most of their losses this year I haven't felt too badly; yeah, there was ugly stuff against the Isles, but like I said in the game thread I haven't gotten "last season" vibes or anything most of the time in the bad games. But yeah, if I get frustrated it's more out of my brain saying something like "you can't do shit like that if you're deep in the playoffs!", not "oh my God, they're going to choke and miss entirely!", because barring utter injury catastrophe the latter is getting nearly impossible to envision.

 

[Bleedred]

I am so done with Haula. He is a terrible hockey player and needs to be benched. He is another McLeod. Good at face-offs and nothing else.

And you're actually a fan of Connor Carrick and think I trash Devils players way too much?

Come on now. He's really not terrible, other than terrible at scoring goals anymore.

I'm frustrated with him too, but he's not a bad player. He just looks like he's hit that wall that early 30's players hit where they can't really score anymore and their shooting percentage comes crashing down.

Worst case is we just say arrivederci after this year. I haven't closed the door on re-signing him, but certainly not a raise from what he's making.

 

[OrangePort]

The website is Natural Stat Trick!

And yes, there is a glossary for team stats and player stats on the site! If you want to see team stats depending on the situation, just go in the “Teams” section!

You can also check out game metrics, that’s where I take my stats for my “after period recaps” haha!

Dang, I knew the advanced stats would be.. 'advanced', but didnt expect this level of intricacy. Which is my own fault since its a billion-dollar industry.

Ill try my best to tackle most of them. Thanks again

 

[Devs3cups]

Dang, I knew the advanced stats would be.. 'advanced', but didnt expect this level of intricacy. Which is my own fault since its a billion-dollar industry.

Ill try my best to tackle most of them. Thanks again

My pleasure! When I started getting interested in them, I was having a hard time but with time I’m getting better. I’m no expert though haha! You should get the hang of it!

 

[Mr Bojanglez]

Don't be a @Lou is God . Be a @Mr Bojanglez . Have faith people. And Yes - Blackwood started that game

 

[OrangePort]

My pleasure! When I started getting interested in them, I was having a hard time but with time I’m getting better. I’m no expert though haha! You should get the hang of it!

Had always heard of Corsi but never knew what it was. But once I got to Fenwick I had to take a break lol

 

[Zippy316]

So, we're officially 1/3 through the season. Here's our recap at all strengths (stats from NST):

CF%: 3rd - 55.28%
SF: 3rd - 942
SA: 3rd - 718
SF%: 2nd - 56.75%
GF%: 2nd - 61.35%
xGF: 2nd - 100.8
xGA: 3rd - 70.92%
xGF%: 2nd - 58.52%
SCF: 3rd - 956
SCA: 5th - 705
SCF%: 3rd - 57.56%
HDCF: 10th - 378
HDCA: 1st - 263
HDCF%: 1st - 58.97%
SV%: 7th - .912%
HDSV%: 12th - .830%

Insane progression from the boys. Some stats went down recently, but that was to be expected. Overall, the team is playing really well and is showing that them being at the top of the league in all these metrics is no fluke. They deserve this.

If the team keeps playing its game with their speed, more good things are to come! Here's to the next 1/3!

I really want to see how these numbers look on Jan 2.

Really tough stretch ahead with a lot of good opponents. Hope we can continue this level of play against the top teams without slipping too much.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I think worrying about everything falling apart is completely reasonable considering our last ten seasons minus the 2018 one where we had one playoff win. I truly think it is different this year but I understand why people have some concern. It’s like an ex that screwed you over and it is ruining your next relationship

the past 10 seasons have nothing to do with this one. Literally nothing.

I am so done with Haula. He is a terrible hockey player and needs to be benched. He is another McLeod. Good at face-offs and nothing else.

Haula is twice the player that McLeod is.

 

[njdevils1982]

I am so done with Haula. He is a terrible hockey player and needs to be benched. He is another McLeod. Good at face-offs and nothing else.

who do you suggest takes his place?

 

[Whaddagoal]

Haula is important to this *winning team*. Hes a guy that is playing very well defensively that helps Jack keep full throttle on his offensive game. He also has chemistry with Hughes.

Hes also fast enough to keep up with his linemates, wins tons of faceoffs, plays all facets well. Doesnt quit.

Why do we need to turn him into our new Zacha horse? Ok he his offensively snake bitten goal wise, but he is still picking up points.

 

[Capt Nico Poo]

Panthers are a mess right now. Let's entertain ourselves with the thought that they'd be willing to ship Barkov out. Barkov hasnt exactly been great lately but has proven to be one of the best players in the league and should be in his prime.

Now, what would you be willing to trade for Barkov?

Id ship Haula and Bratt for the guy. Haula to take his spot as a C and Bratt as the value in the package.

With Barkov in the middle, he and Jack would do some nasty stuff. Barkov being defensively solid to babysit Jack with a matching hockey IQ and scoring capabilities.

 

[Bleedred]

Welp, the Capitals are up 4-0

They're gonna win every game the rest of the year.

We're done.

 

[Guadana]

Panthers are a mess right now. Let's entertain ourselves with the thought that they'd be willing to ship Barkov out. Barkov hasnt exactly been great lately but has proven to be one of the best players in the league and should be in his prime.

Now, what would you be willing to trade for Barkov?

Id ship Haula and Bratt for the guy. Haula to take his spot as a C and Bratt as the value in the package.

With Barkov in the middle, he and Jack would do some nasty stuff. Barkov being defensively solid to babysit Jack with a matching hockey IQ and scoring capabilities.

They will not trade Barkov even for Bratt+Luke+1st.

 

[Capt Nico Poo]

They will not trade Barkov even for Bratt+Luke+1st.

Let's assume they would. You'd give all that up for Sasha?

 

[njdevils1982]

Panthers are a mess right now. Let's entertain ourselves with the thought that they'd be willing to ship Barkov out. Barkov hasnt exactly been great lately but has proven to be one of the best players in the league and should be in his prime.

Now, what would you be willing to trade for Barkov?

Id ship Haula and Bratt for the guy. Haula to take his spot as a C and Bratt as the value in the package.

With Barkov in the middle, he and Jack would do some nasty stuff. Barkov being defensively solid to babysit Jack with a matching hockey IQ and scoring capabilities.

start up a thread on the main trade board and you'll get a more varied opinion on the deal

 

[Capt Nico Poo]

start up a thread on the main trade board and you'll get a more varied opinion on the deal

Nah, there's already one well-known idiot from Finland posting moronic threads

 

[Guadana]

Let's assume they would. You'd give all that up for Sasha?

They don't. I like Bratt a lot, I think Barkov is a better player overall, if I could make a trade with Florida GM Chiarelli I would do it(Bratt plus Haula, no way I would trade Bratt and Luke), but the name of Florida gm is different. Barkov is untouchable as Jack Hughes. Its a computer game story, we don't have any rumor about Barkov and we will never hear it. They have Barkov, Tkachuk, Lundell and Knight and they will build it around them.

 

[bossram]

They has a long road trip , something like 13 games last year to kick the season off. They started bad and had a much better 2nd half of the season. They look to be a possible playoff team this year but someone posted with in the last day or two how awful their advanced statistics are. We must of had a really bad game on Thursday because the 2 games I watched the Islanders play at their arena the past week they scored a whopping 1 goal. Trotz should of had a longer leash. If he was still behind the bench I'm sure they would be having a somewhat good season like they have had up until now.

Yep. I don't really rate the Isles. They have been propped up by PDO magic. They're near the top of the league in shooting and save percentage. I don't buy they're some sneaky efficient offensive team. And I think Sorokin is an elite goalie, but as soon as he falters at all, that team will not win games.

Panthers are a mess right now. Let's entertain ourselves with the thought that they'd be willing to ship Barkov out. Barkov hasnt exactly been great lately but has proven to be one of the best players in the league and should be in his prime.

Now, what would you be willing to trade for Barkov?

Id ship Haula and Bratt for the guy. Haula to take his spot as a C and Bratt as the value in the package.

With Barkov in the middle, he and Jack would do some nasty stuff. Barkov being defensively solid to babysit Jack with a matching hockey IQ and scoring capabilities.

I just don't think there is any semi-realistic trade to me made there at all.

Florida will not trade Barkov. I don't think Zito will change his outlook much based on this season. It clearly was intended as somewhat of a transition year, getting salary off the books long-term and pivoting toward a younger core were the main goals.

 

[OrangePort]

Is there any news on Bastian and his return? He has been missed on that line

 

[RSeen]

Is there any news on Bastian and his return? He has been missed on that line

He is definitely a valuable piece to that line, makes a big difference.