Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - 2022-23 season thread part III

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Zippy316

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A realistic mock trade for Meier could look like this in my opinion:

Alex Holtz
Nolan Foote
2024 2nd round pick
Jonathan Bernier OR Andreas Johnsson (cap)

Then this is a mock lineup of your healthy team for playoffs.

Meier - Hughes - Mercer
Palat - Hischier - Bratt
Sharangovich - Haula - Tatar
Wood - McLeod - Zetterlund
Bastian, Boqvist

Siegenthaler - Hamilton
Graves - Marino
Smith - Severson
L. Hughes, Bahl, Okhotiuk, Depth Dman acquisition

Vanecek
Blackwood
Schmid
Meier is going to end up getting 7-8 AAV long term. I’m not sure we have the space for that and the lineup quite frankly doesn’t look much different with him than without, in my opinion. Not enough to pay that price, sign him long term, and not have the money to pay one of our young forwards.

Palat - Hughes - Mercer
Tatar - Hischier - Bratt
Sharangovich - Haula - Zetterlund
Wood - McLeod - Bastian
Johnsson - Boqvist - Holtz
 
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Meier is going to end up getting 7-8 AAV long term. I’m not sure we have the space for that and the lineup quite frankly doesn’t look much different with him than without, in my opinion. Not enough to pay that price, sign him long term, and not have the money to pay one of our young forwards.

Palat - Hughes - Mercer
Tatar - Hischier - Bratt
Sharangovich - Haula - Zetterlund
Wood - McLeod - Bastian
Boqvist - Holtz
If NJ could get him at that long term rate you'd really have to look at it closely. I think he will command closer to $9 mil per with the impending cap raising and all the UFA years being given up.
 
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Meier is going to end up getting 7-8 AAV long term. I’m not sure we have the space for that and the lineup quite frankly doesn’t look much different with him than without, in my opinion. Not enough to pay that price, sign him long term, and not have the money to pay one of our young forwards.

Palat - Hughes - Mercer
Tatar - Hischier - Bratt
Sharangovich - Haula - Zetterlund
Wood - McLeod - Bastian
Johnsson - Boqvist - Holtz

they can easily afford Meier and still pay Bratt. And Meier is going to get more than $8.

We have a truckload of money coming of the books this summer, with a lot of it being on non-essential players. As an example, Johnsson + Bernier combined make $7.5 million. Just those 2 plus the cap going up is more than enough for Meier right there. Thats before ANY other moves.
 
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they can easily afford Meier and still pay Bratt. And Meier is going to get more than $8.

We have a truckload of money coming of the books this summer, with a lot of it being on non-essential players. As an example, Johnsson + Bernier combined make $7.5 million. Just those 2 plus the cap going up is more than enough for Meier right there. Thats before ANY other moves.
It's more a long term issue. Mercer appears to be on his way to earning a nice payday and presumably you will have to pay Nemec and Hughes at some point. All that aside, it would potentially work but it would probably be the last significant move they could make to add outside talent at a market rate. A third line of Meier Hischier and Bratt sounds pretty good.
 

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they can easily afford Meier and still pay Bratt. And Meier is going to get more than $8.

We have a truckload of money coming of the books this summer, with a lot of it being on non-essential players. As an example, Johnsson + Bernier combined make $7.5 million. Just those 2 plus the cap going up is more than enough for Meier right there. Thats before ANY other moves.
Even at 8, it’s a tough squeeze for the Devils.

Hischier - 7.25
Hughes - 8
Hamilton - 9
Bratt - 8.5 (assumption)
Siegenthaler - 3.4
Marino - 4.4

That’s 40.55 right there. Add in a very conservative 8 for Meier then you’re at 48.55 for 7 players. That leaves (assuming 85 million cap) 36.45 for 16 players, or an average of 2.27 for the rest of your team.

It’s possible for the Devils with so many ELCs coming up, but it’ll severely limit our depth. If we’ve seen anything this past few years, teams that can consistently roll four lines and three D pairings have dominated the league. I’d rather pass and hopefully spread out that money reasonably to Mercer, Sharangovich, Zetterlund, and other quality veteran players.
 

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I am not worried about paying guys in 4-5 years who haven't played 1 minute in the NHL yet and neither should you. Thats crazy talk. Things change so much from year to year that its honestly crazy to think like that IMO. Especially because the cap is going to be going up $2-3 million every year from the sounds of it.
 
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I am not worried about paying guys in 4-5 years who haven't played 1 minute in the NHL yet and neither should you. Thats crazy talk. Things change so much from year to year that it’s honestly crazy to think like that IMO. Especially because the cap is going to be going up $2-3 million every year from the sounds of it.
The Devils can add one more big guy, so they have to be damn sure it’s someone that moves the needle significantly if they pull the trigger on someone.
 

Zippy316

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I am not worried about paying guys in 4-5 years who haven't played 1 minute in the NHL yet and neither should you. Thats crazy talk. Things change so much from year to year that its honestly crazy to think like that IMO. Especially because the cap is going to be going up $2-3 million every year from the sounds of it.
This has nothing to do with that.

By that math above, 48.55 into Hughes, Hischier, Bratt, Hamilton, Marino, Siegenthaler, and Meier. Assuming Bratt and/or Meier don’t go big contract hunting. 36.45 remaining for 16 players, assuming an 85 million cap (Devils also still have ~2 million cap hit from Schneider/Kuokkanen buyouts). Subtract 7 million for a goalie tandem assuming you get a 1B for Vanecek. Now you’re at 29.45 to fill out 14 roster spots. Average of 2.1 million a roster player.

Tatar, Wood, Sharangovich, Graves, Severson, Haula, Bastian, McLeod, Zetterlund, and Boqvist all need to be replaced or need new contracts after this year. Mercer is following next year.

Just on those guys alone (or assume a reasonable replacement for the UFAs), it’s an insanely tight squeeze no matter how you slice it. That’s just looking at next year and the following year.
 

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I do agree this team is likely to take a step back at least a year considering we will be losing quality depth in Graves, Severson, Tatar, Haula, and potentially Wood as UFAs. I think the kids will replace their impact, but it’ll likely take a year or two for them to do so.

I have a lingering feeling that we should at least prepare for Bratt's name to be on that list. I think he's going to Chucky us and aim for the open market, forcing Fitz's hand. People keep smack talking his agent, but the agent does what the player wants. Every negotiation with this player has been a chore, suggesting that no matter what he brings on the ice and in the locker room, he's going to get (what he considers) his due. We could easily end up with a Makar/MacKinnon situation where the best paid player on the team is far from the best player on the team (in fairness, we're already there with Hamilton/Hughes, but Bratt would likely eclipse Dougie too if he gets what he reportedly wants).

I generally have a bad feeling about our FA situation next summer. Of the UFAs, Tatar, Johnsson and Bernier should all be gone, no questions asked. Haula and Graves I could see Fitz working out deals for, both being his trade aquisitions and core system players in our current team.

Severson is tricky. He'll want term, and even if he's taken a dive to 3rd pairing D, and he'll want UFA RHD money (see also Pulock, Weegar). Someone's going to give him that. Similarly, Wood is playing his way into a 5x5 deal from some Du(m)bas(s), and there is no way in hell we should be giving that man five million American dollars per year, least of all for several years.

And then there's the heap of RFAs. Bratt, see above. I hope I'm wrong, but everything I see, read and hear tells me otherwise. Bratt is gonna Zach on us. Blackwood should be let go and not qualified. Trade his rights to Alberta for a fifth. Rango, Zetterlund and Bahl are no-brainers in my world, all should be renewed, especially the forwards. Bahl should remain as Severson/Smith insurance, unless he's expecting a huge deal.

That leaves Boqvist, Bastian and McLeod, and this is where the tough conversations begin. If Wood is gone, how much is left of the dynamic of the BMW line? Can we count on McLeod long term (looking at you, Hockey Canada)? How many of them are trade bait or part of the Bratt package for Meier (boom, there it is)? I can easily see the third and fourth line being 3 to 5 players changed next season.

I think this team is going to look radically different next season. So far, Fitz has given me zero reason not to trust him, and the summer after next we only have Mercer and Schmid coming up, so we're pretty set to make long term moves.

There it is, my FA predictions. Save for future humiliation/praise.
 
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bossram

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Palat-Hughes-Mercer
Tatar-Nico-Bratt
Yegor-Haula-Zetterlund
Wood-McLeod-Bastian

Health is the all-important factor, but I don’t need anything added to this group, really. We have a quality NHL player and our top forward prospect (plus Boqvist) for depth if we lose a guy or two.
Agreed, I would love to add another big player like a Meier, but the Devils already have a very strong squad with depth, prospects coming up, and cap flexibility.

Trading and re-signing for Meier would blow up some of their depth, flexibility, and pick/prospect capital.

All I'd really like to see Fitz do at the deadline is add another competent defender to move Smith to the #7 spot.

I'd be much more inclined to spend assets on a cheaper, cost-controlled player similar to what Tampa did with Coleman and Hagel.
 

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This has nothing to do with that.

By that math above, 48.55 into Hughes, Hischier, Bratt, Hamilton, Marino, Siegenthaler, and Meier. Assuming Bratt and/or Meier don’t go big contract hunting. 36.45 remaining for 16 players, assuming an 85 million cap (Devils also still have ~2 million cap hit from Schneider/Kuokkanen buyouts). Subtract 7 million for a goalie tandem assuming you get a 1B for Vanecek. Now you’re at 29.45 to fill out 14 roster spots. Average of 2.1 million a roster player.

Tatar, Wood, Sharangovich, Graves, Severson, Haula, Bastian, McLeod, Zetterlund, and Boqvist all need to be replaced or need new contracts after this year. Mercer is following next year.

Just on those guys alone (or assume a reasonable replacement for the UFAs), it’s an insanely tight squeeze no matter how you slice it. That’s just looking at next year and the following year.
Just replace all those guys with sub million dollar players, as long as we have a few good players we should be good no matter who will fill the rest of the line up with. It's a perfect plan that has never not worked.
 

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It’s possible for the Devils with so many ELCs coming up, but it’ll severely limit our depth. If we’ve seen anything this past few years, teams that can consistently roll four lines and three D pairings have dominated the league. I’d rather pass and hopefully spread out that money reasonably to Mercer, Sharangovich, Zetterlund, and other quality veteran players.
I can't think of any teams doing that.....
 

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Bratt ain’t gonna Zach on us cause he does not have that hometown team willing to give him a monster of a contract. Nor are we going to let it get to that point. If he doesn’t sign by the end of the year then he will be shipped off like Tkachuk was, hopefully for another comparable winger who probably needs an extension.

But I don’t really think we will be forced to do that. Why would he leave the team that drafted him, a team clearly on the upswing for what? Another mil a year? I think the prior negotiations were tough cause Bratt knew he had more to prove on the ice. Maybe he thought he would see an even further jump in his production this year than the previous year and bet on himself again.

I think he signs the 8 year deal and ends up our highest paid forward but not by much.
 

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Tatar, Wood, Sharangovich, Graves, Severson, Haula, Bastian, McLeod, Zetterlund, and Boqvist all need to be replaced or need new contracts after this year. Mercer is following next year.
Agree. Note Fitz's comments from last week where he said he told Bratt's agent he has other important players without contracts next year as well, The reality is most of those players are outperforming their contracts. It would be better if the Devils did not have those contracts "coming off the books".
 
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A realistic mock trade for Meier could look like this in my opinion:

Alex Holtz
Nolan Foote
2024 2nd round pick
Jonathan Bernier OR Andreas Johnsson (cap)

Then this is a mock lineup of your healthy team for playoffs.

Meier - Hughes - Mercer
Palat - Hischier - Bratt
Sharangovich - Haula - Tatar
Wood - McLeod - Zetterlund
Bastian, Boqvist

Siegenthaler - Hamilton
Graves - Marino
Smith - Severson
L. Hughes, Bahl, Okhotiuk, Depth Dman acquisition

Vanecek
Blackwood
Schmid
This organization and staff love Bastian. If he is healthy he will be playing.
 

Emperoreddy

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Honestly only move I think we might do outside of maybe a goalie move is to replace Bastian if he isn't going to be back for a very long time.

Vet guy that plays the same role and can screen on the PP would be useful
 
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