Post-Game Talk: Devils lose to the Flames (3-2)

[Blender]

Salvador got back from the wall in time to cover his spot..
Zidlicky didn't read that. Zidlicky was SUPPOSED to slip back to the right post when Salvador moved back in. Instead he stayed leaving two dmen on the left post and the back door wide open. The back door on that play was Zidlicky's.

Watch it again...as Sal slides in Zidlicky is SUPPOSED to slide over. Zidlicky blew the play and the game.

Covering the open man is far more important than switching back to the correct side. When Salvador came over and saw that Zidlicky was engaged with a player on the left side, Salvador should have covered the man standing right beside him instead of standing around with his thumb up his ass. Zidlicky is hardly blameless here, but Salvador stood beside Monahan, and than let him drop back away from him and never followed. If he can't handle them switching sides during the play and adjust to that, I don't know what to say...

 

[JimEIV]

There also should have been center support in the high slot on that play....even though Zidlicky blew the read and the coverage, there should have been a player watching the high slot where Monahan moved in from..if the center was engaged on the wall (I don't remember) the offside winger blew the support coverage.

 

[JimEIV]

Covering the open man is far more important than switching back to the correct side. When Salvador came over and saw that Zidlicky was engaged with a player on the left side, Salvador should have covered the man standing right beside him instead of standing around with his thumb up his ass. Zidlicky is hardly blameless here, but Salvador stood beside Monahan, and than let him drop back away from him and never followed. If he can't handle them switching sides during the play and adjust to that, I don't know what to say...

No, the puck was in front of Salvador and Salvador was in front of his post...that is fine. The mix up was Zidlicky not pulling out.

 

[GameSeven]

There also should have been center support in the high slot on that play....even though Zidlicky blew the read and the coverage, there should have been a player watching the high slot where Monahan moved in from..if the center was engaged on the wall (I don't remember) the offside winger blew the support coverage.

Henrique and Ryder were pressuring the points with Clowe down low. Clowe followed the play to the wall (Baertschi). Ryder would have been the forward closest to the to get down low and provide support.

 

[Blender]

- Zidlicky engaged in front with Hudler, Salvador following Monahan back from the boards.

- Zidlicky still covering Hudler, Salvador decides he needs help doing that and loses Monahan as he goes to the open ice.

 

[JimEIV]

- Zidlicky still covering Hudler, Salvador decides he needs help doing that and loses Monahan as he goes to the open ice.

Zidlicky is in the wrong position in this frame. Once Salvador covers his post Zidlicky needs to be on the other post.

 

[guitarguyvic]

- Zidlicky engaged in front with Hudler, Salvador following Monahan back from the boards.

- Zidlicky still covering Hudler, Salvador decides he needs help doing that and loses Monahan as he goes to the open ice.

Good god that is a joke. Every single game for the last 40+ that has happened where the players off in '"la la land" in the defensive zone, several times a game. When is someone gonna get held accountable for fixing this garbage...This is ******* embarrassing for a Devils team.

 

[Devils Dominion]

It all started when Zids coughed the puck up to Calgary under little to no pressure.

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

It was on Sal. And Sal said it himself. And so did Chico.

Zidlicky coughed up the puck. But Sal abandoned the goal scorer.

 

[VaxjoDevil]

It's on Salvador. Zidlicky is pushing his guy to prevent him from screening Marty as he should, and Salvador just lets his guy go. At that point of the play, it's not "I stand here" it's "stick to your guy" which Salvador does not since he is watching the puck and even though he has nobody close he doesn't look around.

All defense play is a floating thing between zone and man to man. Salvador is actually playing either.

Agree that 17 is doing **** though, he even has his stick wrong, the ****er should have it other side to prevent passing lanes.

 

[Wingman77]

You are not always going to have your man because of the way plays develop and change so constantly, you always cover the open guy it's that simple

What Sal did is like getting into a car where every seat is full except for one and going to sit on somebody's lap instead of in the empty seat

 

[VaxjoDevil]

What Sal did is like getting into a car where every seat is full except for one and going to sit on somebody's lap instead of in the empty seat

Excellent analogy

 

[JimEIV]

That's just not right ...theLeft D isn't supposed to chase a player across the crease to the Right post....Zidlicky needed to recognize the situation and cover that off side.

It simply wasn't a man to man situation...the dman in the corner isnt supposed to follow the center to the high slot where Monahan comes from...it was the defensive centers/wingers man when Monahan is the slot and it was Zidlicky's post the was left open.

Down low coverage for a defenseman begins at his side post to the corner to the half wall in a triangle....you don't follow a man out of that area.

 

[Unknown Caller]

That's just not right ...theLeft D isn't supposed to chase a player across the crease to the Right post....Zidlicky needed to recognize the situation and cover that off side.

It simply wasn't a man to man situation...the dman in the corner isnt supposed to follow the center to the high slot where Monahan comes from...it was the defensive centers/wingers man when Monahan is the slot and it was Zidlicky's post the was left open.

Down low coverage for a defenseman begins at his side post to the corner to the half wall in a triangle....you don't follow a man out of that area.

Generally I would agree, but not in this case. Salvador has to read and react to the situation. If he sees his partner tied up on his side of the ice, its his job to adjust for the time being and cover the far post. Just like when a defenseman pinches in the offensive zone, the winger has to cover his point. Generally the winger has no business covering the point, but its a read and react situation. The same thing happened here. Salvador is a veteran and he needs to make that play.

There's also a bit of a breakdown on Ryder's end as he could be lower to takeaway the cross-slot pass. One of Henrique (although he was playing the man) and Ryder is responsible for cutting off the lane through the slot. Since that wasn't covered, it falls on Sal to make the play at the far post.

 

[Wingman77]

That's just not right ...theLeft D isn't supposed to chase a player across the crease to the Right post....Zidlicky needed to recognize the situation and cover that off side.

It simply wasn't a man to man situation...the dman in the corner isnt supposed to follow the center to the high slot where Monahan comes from...it was the defensive centers/wingers man when Monahan is the slot and it was Zidlicky's post the was left open.

Down low coverage for a defenseman begins at his side post to the corner to the half wall in a triangle....you don't follow a man out of that area.

Sal was behind Monahan, he would not have been chasing him rather pushing him out had he stayed with him

If Zidlicky left, Sal was still to the right of the guy Zidlicky had which is still a terrible position to be in, you're supposed to be behind the opposing player in your crease or tied up with him

At no point did Sal make an attempt to cover who you say was supposed to be his man (the guy Zids already had), he was in the middle of no man's land

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=2013020063-617-h

I understand your principle, but Sal just was not aware at all of what was going on

 

[JimEIV]

You're really expecting a left D who was previously engaged in HIS corner to get over to the right post? It just doesn't work that way.

Under No circumstances should the left D have to go from the left corner to the right post....besides being virtually impossible it's not his job.

 

[Wingman77]

You're really expecting a left D who was previously engaged in HIS corner to get over to the right post? It just doesn't work that way.

Under No circumstances should the left D have to go from the left corner to the right post....besides being virtually impossible it's not his job.

Sal didn't even make an attempt to cover a single player on that play, not even the guy you are saying he should have covered

 

[JimEIV]

Sal didn't even make an attempt to cover a single player on that play, not even the guy you are saying he should have covered

He doesn't need to cover a man there that is the point. He is collapsing to his post....exactly what he should be doing.

 

[Devils Dominion]

Another game, another goat.

At some point the lead goat needs to get axed. Hopefully Monday morning.

 

[Wingman77]

He doesn't need to cover a man there that is the point. He is collapsing to his post....exactly what he should be doing.

If you should be covering somebody anywhere on the ice, it's the crease, if anything it's the closest and most on top of you should be of opposition

He did not continue to collapse, he stood right in the middle waving his stick

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

Another game, another goat.

At some point the lead goat needs to get axed. Hopefully Monday morning.

Has Lou ever fired someone on a road trip?

 

[NJDevs26]

Larry was definitely fired in the middle of a road trip.

 

[Unknown Caller]

Pete's not getting fired when they've played one home game all season.

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

Larry was definitely fired in the middle of a road trip.

Robinson was fired on 1/28/2002.

Lou waited until we got home.

The dismissal comes after a 1-2-1 road trip that included losses to Atlanta and Tampa Bay. The Devils next play Tuesday night at the New York Islanders.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/892087/Devils-fire-coach.html

Also note the really short least Larry had. Jesus.

 

[Blender]

So is Zidlicky supposed to let Hudler go(his man at the time) so that Salvador can take him, and Zidlicky will go pick up Monahan(who Salvador had seconds earlier)? Sorry that is not how it works in real life.

Zidlicky stays continuously engaged with the same player for that entire sequence, a player that doesn't score the goal or make the pass. Salvador had followed Monahan from the corner, to the hash marks, across the circle, and then let him go in the slot and just stood there watching the puck. Yes Zidlicky made a bad giveaway, but I don't know how anyone can say Salvador didn't completely blow his coverage there.