GDT: Devils @ Hurricanes - 7:00 P.M. - MSGSN2

[guitarguyvic]

As much as I loathed how the Canes, their fans, and referees acted last night, I can’t agree with this idea that the devils would have the distinct advantage in a playoff series. I think the matchup with them is very similar to the Caps. They play a really heavy forecheck and in pretty much all of the games they controlled the play more than the devils did, despite the end result being split.

If the devils plan to beat either Carolina or Washington in the playoffs they need to figure out how to neutralize that forecheck better. Especially the bottom six. Unless Markstrom really shines, I don’t think we win if the caps or canes control possession like they did in the regular season games.

 

[JimEIV]

To me, last night was a perfect example of the problem we have when our big guns are shut down. That bottom level scoring just isn't there.

Yeah Cotter got one....but ..

Shots on goal:

Noesen 0
Haula 0
Lazar 0
Tatar 0
Mercer 0
Cotter 1
Bastian 2


That game was a glimmer of what we'll see in the playoffs. And our bottom 6 as is is not up to the task.

This was the exact kind of game where they have to pick it up and provide some relief to our big guns and for the most part they were a no show.

 

[Devs3cups]

As much as I loathed how the Canes, their fans, and referees acted last night, I can’t agree with this idea that the devils would have the distinct advantage in a playoff series. I think the matchup with them is very similar to the Caps. They play a really heavy forecheck and in pretty much all of the games they controlled the play more than the devils did, despite the end result being split.

If the devils plan to beat either Carolina or Washington in the playoffs they need to figure out how to neutralize that forecheck better. Especially the bottom six. Unless Markstrom really shines, I don’t think we win if the caps or canes control possession like they did in the regular season games.

I agree with some of this, but in my eyes the only game they truly dominated us was the first game against them this year. Other than that I feel like it’s been pretty evenly played, especially at home. We were the better team in the 2nd game (that was at home) and arguably the one Friday.

With that being said, you know Keefe will have them looking at tape and will have them ready. They’ll have adjustments for the Canes tough system.

 

[TheBeerNerd]

The refs f***ed us over a barrel hardcore. But also, Allen’s second goal was so soft my foster son would enjoy cuddling it to sleep.

 

[Bleedred]

The refs f***ed us over a barrel hardcore. But also, Allen’s second goal was so soft my foster son would enjoy cuddling it to sleep.

If this was Allen’s first bad game in a while it wouldn’t be worth complaining about, but he’s been an .860% over his last four starts and has now cancelled out his very nice start to the season.

His shutout over Edmonton may have been our best goaltended game of the season, but he’s been terrible the last four games, no wins, allows 4 goals a game, maybe 3 if we keep it below 20 shots.

The only reason it’s not worth having a coronary over is the guy has fortunately only played 4 games in the last 29 nights.

In the last couple of weeks/half a dozen games for Markstrom his numbers have shot way up while Allen’s have taken a severe slide.

 

[JimEIV]

You can't talk about refs, goaltending or the cosmic unfairness of the league when literally half your team can't muster a single shot.

6 of our forwards had zero shots on goal... another 2 had 1 shot on goal. 8 forwards did dick for 60 minutes.

Refs, goaltending, Gary Betman and league front office had absolutely nothing to do with it.

 

[Omar Little]

Key to a Carolina series would be:
- Home ice advantage
- Ideally winning those first two games
- Stronger forward depth

 

[Bleedred]

Speaking of the Capitals and goaltending and how they never lose, check out the highlights of their game last night. I have no f***in clue why Toronto started Woll against the astronomically inferior team in Detroit on Friday, then decided to start whatever assorted body parts Matt Murray still has left last night.

Their first goal from Magiapane was about as soft as the goal Allen allowed in the 2nd period and nearly identical. But I think the Mangiapane goal was on a rush and went off Murray’s leg pad and under it from well out. I think Aho was just skating around in our end and put it through Allen’s arm? Maybe legs. I don’t need to see it again.

And their second goal from Chychrun looked identical to the Orlov goal that made it 1-0, only it was on the power play. The Canes just looked like they were on the power play on that goal.

 

[JimEIV]

And I don't want to dump on the guy because he's been spectacular for a good while but ....

22:46 of ice time and 0 shots on goal.

Yeah that's poop.

 

[Devilsfan118]

I'll wait until we prove we can win a game in PNC and a playoff series against that organization before I ever say that we would smoke them. It's a house of horrors, going back to Kevin Weekes owning us in 2002 and Marty flipping out in 2009.

The current Devils don't control play against them consistently enough for me to act like the Devils are vastly superior and the bottom 6 needs substantial upgrades before I have any confidence against Carolina.

The Devils and Canes are both in the top 5 contenders in the league and unfortunately one will be out after the first round. That series is a coin flip to me.

You're not wrong, but let me be a pissy homer for a little bit longer lol

 

[devilsblood]

I've long thought that when a call is made due to apparent injury (most notably on 4 minute high sticking penalties, but also on certain major penalties), that player should be ineligible to play on the resulting power play. The increased penalty is often to compensate for the perceived loss of the player.

Just a sham of officiating overall last night. Complete and total. The Blues game was worse, but this game was awfully officiated. Necas will have to watch out whenever he plays the Devils next, and for a very long time.

Nah, it's about drawing blood, not about putting a guy out of a game. The team taking the high stick shouldn't be penalized.

Last night is different in that Ref's likely gave it a 5 because they thought Necas was legitimately hurt, but instead he doesn't miss a shift. So in that situation I think Necas should not be able to play on the PP imo.

And I don't want to dump on the guy because he's been spectacular for a good while but ....

22:46 of ice time and 0 shots on goal.

Yeah that's poop.

Ya, zero shot attempts actually, and it's not about dumping on him, but we do need Bratt to figure out Carolina/tough physical playoff type games.

 

[devilsblood]

The refs f***ed us over a barrel hardcore. But also, Allen’s second goal was so soft my foster son would enjoy cuddling it to sleep.

2nd goal imo is on Palat moreso then Allen. A zero pressure turnover in zone. No bueno.

 

[njdevil26]

Has anyone gotten the information for Marty Necas' services yet? I'd at least like to send flowers to the family.

 

[Whaddagoal]

 

[Bleedred]

You can't talk about refs, goaltending or the cosmic unfairness of the league when literally half your team can't muster a single shot.

6 of our forwards had zero shots on goal... another 2 had 1 shot on goal. 8 forwards did dick for 60 minutes.

Refs, goaltending, Gary Betman and league front office had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Remember when you used to cite wins a lot?

One goalie on this team hasn’t won in over a month, the other goalie all he seems to do is win the last month.

Goaltending had a lot to do with last night’s game, as well as several of the 0-4-0 stretch this goalie has had. One of them was a shutout.

 

[Bleedred]

This is good news, how about this stat.

Since November 29th we are 9-0-1 when Markstrom plays.

We are 0-4-0 when he doesn’t play in that same period.

Is Markstrom really playing incredibly and willing us to wins? Not really. This is more about Allen just really being incompetent over the last month. He’s maybe gotten a little unlucky in that we’re outplayed by a bit in a few of those games, but he’s been abhorrent in them.

And last night was a carbon copy of Washington, the first game of this 0-4-0 run.

He even let in a final minute of the 2nd period goal in both games.

 

[JimEIV]

Remember when you used to cite wins a lot?

One goalie on this team hasn’t won in over a month, the other goalie all he seems to do is win the last month.

Goaltending had a lot to do with last night’s game, as well as several of the 0-4-0 stretch this goalie has had. One of them was a shutout.

Still do. Wins are all that matter....goalies only contribute a fraction to a win though...a goalie can't put a shot on the opposition net, can't score a goal...hell can barely leave a 3 foot box....if that goalie gives up a bad goal on 43 shots and that's your focus, you're blissfully ignoring what actually happened in the game.

Goaltending had almost nothing to do with last night's game.

 

[devilsblood]

As much as I loathed how the Canes, their fans, and referees acted last night, I can’t agree with this idea that the devils would have the distinct advantage in a playoff series. I think the matchup with them is very similar to the Caps. They play a really heavy forecheck and in pretty much all of the games they controlled the play more than the devils did, despite the end result being split.

If the devils plan to beat either Carolina or Washington in the playoffs they need to figure out how to neutralize that forecheck better. Especially the bottom six. Unless Markstrom really shines, I don’t think we win if the caps or canes control possession like they did in the regular season games.

I don't see distinct advantage. But while those teams have controlled possession(only having an edge in 2 of the 8 games, and pretty far in the red overall in terms of cf% overall), Devils have done well enough in the xGF dept. Splitting the 4 games vs the Canes in that dept, and owning an edge in 3 of the 4 vs the Caps.

Come playoffs we have no basis to feel we are the superior team, but I do like the fact that we are A) Now tough enough to stand up to those teams and B) Have the most skilled players on the ice. It's a good mix.

 

[Bleedred]

Still do. Wins are all that matter....goalies only contribute a fraction to a win though...a goalie can't put a shot on the opposition net, can't score a goal...hell can barely leave a 3 foot box....if that goalie gives a bad goal on 43 shots, you're blissfully ignoring what actually happened in the game.

Goaltending had almost nothing to do with last night's game.

He gave up 2 bad goals and only faced 40 shots. Not 43.

And both goals were pretty bad.

He’s been bad in every game he’s played since November 30th. Gives up lousy goals at the worst times (late in periods) and he LOST us the game completely against Columbus when he let in two bad goals and we outshot them 42-19 (I think?) and he also gave the puck right to Washington for the game winning goal in that game.

I wouldn’t blame him in the Colorado game, we were shutout 3-0 and maybe 4-0 with the empty net.

This has to be the worst 4 game stretch a goalie on the team has had this season and .860% with a 4 GAA is not shocking to see why he’s 0-4-0 and can’t win a game.

 

[guitarguyvic]

Still do. Wins are all that matter....goalies only contribute a fraction to a win though...a goalie can't put a shot on the opposition net, can't score a goal...hell can barely leave a 3 foot box....if that goalie gives up a bad goal on 43 shots and that's your focus, you're blissfully ignoring what actually happened in the game.

Goaltending had almost nothing to do with last night's game.

I don’t disagree with your current sentiment, but this is not at all the stance you took circa 2013-14.

 

[Triumph]

Nah, it's about drawing blood, not about putting a guy out of a game. The team taking the high stick shouldn't be penalized.

Last night is different in that Ref's likely gave it a 5 because they thought Necas was legitimately hurt, but instead he doesn't miss a shift. So in that situation I think Necas should not be able to play on the PP imo.


Ya, zero shot attempts actually, and it's not about dumping on him, but we do need Bratt to figure out Carolina/tough physical playoff type games.

Okay so how about going one step farther and thinking about why drawing blood is an additional penalty. Is it because that player might have to go get stitched up, thus removing them from the game for a long time? That is absolutely why it's a double minor penalty. So if this is the penalty, that player should also have to sit - it's only a double minor because it seems like that player is going to miss time. It's an extremely dumb rule because A: a lot of times the player cut never misses a shift B: players are sometimes injured far worse than a cut but if there's no blood it's just a minor and C: high sticks can be extremely foreceful or not but the threshold for the penalty is merely blood. This at least gets A out of the equation.

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

I thought they were the better team last night and I expected it going back to their barn they had more motivation to not get swept on a back to back....They had more pep....Allen I thought kept us in the game as long as he could can't blame him imo....By no means is the game an indication we can't beat them in the playoffs we can beat them and they can beat us....As for their bs dives and bs that's what I hate and Refs need to start calling it that was worst part of that game imo...Killing Allen I just don't get it....Bottom six needs to play hungrier imo game in game out....

 

[JimEIV]

I don’t disagree with your current sentiment, but this is not at all the stance you took circa 2013-14.

Was a very different world. Mainly 2.67 goals per game vs well over 3 for the last 3 years as a league average.

This league today and the last few years is more about scoring goals than has been in 30 years.

 

[devilsblood]

Okay so how about going one step farther and thinking about why drawing blood is an additional penalty. Is it because that player might have to go get stitched up, thus removing them from the game for a long time? That is absolutely why it's a double minor penalty. So if this is the penalty, that player should also have to sit - it's only a double minor because it seems like that player is going to miss time. It's an extremely dumb rule because A: a lot of times the player cut never misses a shift B: players are sometimes injured far worse than a cut but if there's no blood it's just a minor and C: high sticks can be extremely foreceful or not but the threshold for the penalty is merely blood. This at least gets A out of the equation.

Is it?

Or is it because blood tends to indicate a more severe injury, and thus a harsher penalty is doled out?

I tend to think it's the latter given how many high sticks involve blood but no stitches.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Is it?

Or is it because blood tends to indicate a more severe injury, and thus a harsher penalty is doled out?

I tend to think it's the latter given how many high sticks involve blood but no stitches.

you can get wailed in the face and not bleed

a stick can scratch you at just the right angle and you could bleed

so yeah