Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part VI

[njdevils1982]

'Tis the strongest type of bonding heterosexual men can do.

i havent heard this in years...with kids in the hall cameo!

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Marty didn't put the team on his back in the 2003 Finals when he had 3 shutouts in the series?

lol.

 

[My3Sons]

Marty didn't put the team on his back in the 2003 Finals when he had 3 shutouts in the series?

lol.

He also beat Hasek in game seven in 1995 if my age addled brain is still working. I think the score was 2-1? I was there but I'm so old that everything blurs together.

 

[Nocashstyle]

He also beat Hasek in game seven in 1988 if my age addled brain is still working. I think the score was 2-1? I was there but I'm so old that everything blurs together.

Don’t strain yourself, gramps

 

[My3Sons]

Don’t strain yourself, gramps

I corrected myself, it was 1995. I had sat in those seats in earlier playoffs and it's confusing. Now where is my cane so I can hit you with it.

 

[edevils]

i havent heard this in years...with kids in hall cameo!

lol, my wife came down on her break and started dancing... she said, "is this a joke or is this a real song?"

 

[AfroThunder396]

Marty didn't really need to "steal" a series because our teams were mostly fundamentally sound and we had a ton of talent. We were the favorites in most series we played from 95-lockout.

Hard to steal a series when you're the better team, Marty's job was just to not f*** up. That's exactly the position you want your goalie to be in. Not throwing in Akira Schmid cold and asking him to save your season.

 

[Call Me Al]

we seriously talking about 2009 here?

i was in section 112 for that game, sitting next to my sister. there was an obnxious dorky looking middle aged hurricanes fan sitting behind us, with a devils fan friend so he was alone but kind of talking shit all night and it was annoying to listen to, but we looked like we were gonna win so it was tolerable.

when they scored to tie it he stood and cheered real loud and everyone started yelling at him, naturally. when they scored a minute later to take the lead he got so excited that he jumped up, and he actually fell forward over the seat right onto the girl next to my sister but both of his ankles were stuck wedged between the seats so he couldnt get up and in the moments that our season just slipped away everyone around had to help this drunk asshole hurricanes fan back to his feet because he was stuck with his balls in some poor girl's face

 

[Mr Bojanglez]

i'm going to correct you HE NEVER put a team on his back and steal a series. i've always said would rather dom or roy in a must win stand your goalie must stand on your head to win type game game 6 2001 comes to mind what an absolute dud from him what was it 4 goals on like 14 shots?

idk man. he's definitely won us series. I agree I'd rather Roy or Hasek in a must-win game.

Brodeur was godlike for several years. Heck he had 3 shutouts against Anaheim in 2003 stanley cup win. He outdualed Lundqvist in the 2012 series. The Hasek battles for the 1995 cup were legendary.

Those have to count for something.

 

[NjDevsRR]

 

[Better Call Sal]

we seriously talking about 2009 here?

i was in section 112 for that game, sitting next to my sister. there was an obnxious dorky looking middle aged hurricanes fan sitting behind us, with a devils fan friend so he was alone but kind of talking shit all night and it was annoying to listen to, but we looked like we were gonna win so it was tolerable.

when they scored to tie it he stood and cheered real loud and everyone started yelling at him, naturally. when they scored a minute later to take the lead he got so excited that he jumped up, and he actually fell forward over the seat right onto the girl next to my sister but both of his ankles were stuck wedged between the seats so he couldnt get up and in the moments that our season just slipped away everyone around had to help this drunk asshole hurricanes fan back to his feet because he was stuck with his balls in some poor girl's face

I used to never really believe that some things happen for a reason. I now believe that we all had to go through that 2009 trauma for this exact moment.

 

[Bleedred]

I felt Marty stole the 2003 series against Ottawa. We almost lost that after going up 3 games to 1. The reverse of what we did to Philly in the 2000 ECF. I believe us coming back from 3 games to 1 is the only time that's ever happened in the conference finals?

And he really locked it done in game 7. Let in the crappy Arvidsson goal early and deflection off Nieds stick, but that save he made on Hossa late in the 3rd in a 2-2 game was great. After Niedermayer turned it over right in front of Marty's net. He also intimidated Hossa into not even shooting on another chance late in that game, before Friesen scored the game winner with a little over 2 minutes left on what may have been our only legit scoring chance that period.

Marty's stretch from game 5 of the Flyers series through the game 6 cup clincher was also one of his more dominant stretches ever. He came on the wrong end of the multi OT 1-0 loss to Dallas in game 5, but he was pretty dominant in that series.

The 2003 Ottawa series was definitely one he stole. Ottawa wishes we had some average rando in net for that one, as they would have won that series and probably even the cup over Anaheim.

And let's be serious, even though Marty was playing behind the infinitely better team than Giguere was, do we still win that series with some average goalie? Even if we got past Ottawa with said rando? Do you think we're winning that series or even going the distance with Patrick Lalime or even Khabibulin with the playoffs Giguere had? Or Curtis Joseph, who Giguere swept out of the first round that year in Detroit? Even despite Joseph playing well in that series.

There's gotta be at least some kind of consolation to Giguere (who would win the cup 4 years later) that it took Brodeur's team to stop that run. Maybe Giguere doesn't win the Conn Smythe if it didn't take Brodeur being the other goalie to take his team out.

 

[Bleedred]

Yes, the 2001 SCF was probably the worst series of Marty's career. The 1999 first round ouster to the Pens was also pretty bad. He looked off for a lot of the 2001 playoffs and even for long stretches of that regular season. The long playoff run the year before, as well as the 75-ish game regular season probably broke him down by the 01 playoffs.

But he also had a couple of really good series where we somehow lost in spite of him. Like the joke of a loss to Ottawa in round one of 1998, along with the 2002 Canes series. He was also really good in the 1997 Rangers series, but Richter was like a .970-.980%% or something and we got taken down in 4 straight after winning game 1. Yeah, the Graves wraparound series winner did suck though.

And not a lot of people realize this, but Marty was actually the slightly better goalie in the 1994 Rangers series out of him and Richter. His game 6 wasn't good, but I think people would have talked about the 22 year old rookie who stole the Rangers series if that stupid Matteau shot didn't go off Fetisov's skate.

 

[JrFischer54]

idk man. he's definitely won us series. I agree I'd rather Roy or Hasek in a must-win game.

Brodeur was godlike for several years. Heck he had 3 shutouts against Anaheim in 2003 stanley cup win. He outdualed Lundqvist in the 2012 series. The Hasek battles for the 1995 cup were legendary.

Those have to count for something.

i dont think broduer was the reason we won the 2012 rangers series. i know its an unpopular opinion on here but i said it before if that 2003 devils team faced off against someone else in the west i dont think they win the cup that year. yeah the 95 series were great but that was like his second year in the league the other 18 years he didn't steal us a series?

 

[JrFischer54]

I felt Marty stole the 2003 series against Ottawa. We almost lost that after going up 3 games to 1. The reverse of what we did to Philly in the 2000 ECF. I believe us coming back from 3 games to 1 is the only time that's ever happened in the conference finals?

And he really locked it done in game 7. Let in the crappy Arvidsson goal early and deflection off Nieds stick, but that save he made on Hossa late in the 3rd in a 2-2 game was great. After Niedermayer turned it over right in front of Marty's net. He also intimidated Hossa into not even shooting on another chance late in that game, before Friesen scored the game winner with a little over 2 minutes left on what may have been our only legit scoring chance that period.

Marty's stretch from game 5 of the Flyers series through the game 6 cup clincher was also one of his more dominant stretches ever. He came on the wrong end of the multi OT 1-0 loss to Dallas in game 5, but he was pretty dominant in that series.

The 2003 Ottawa series was definitely one he stole. Ottawa wishes we had some average rando in net for that one, as they would have won that series and probably even the cup over Anaheim.

And let's be serious, even though Marty was playing behind the infinitely better team than Giguere was, do we still win that series with some average goalie? Even if we got past Ottawa with said rando? Do you think we're winning that series or even going the distance with Patrick Lalime or even Khabibulin with the playoffs Giguere had? Or Curtis Joseph, who Giguere swept out of the first round that year in Detroit? Even despite Joseph playing well in that series.

There's gotta be at least some kind of consolation to Giguere (who would win the cup 4 years later) that it took Brodeur's team to stop that run. Maybe Giguere doesn't win the Conn Smythe if it didn't take Brodeur being the other goalie to take his team out.

could you really steal a series after blowing a 3-1 lead though? i do agree he was a stud in the game 7 esp in the third period but it shouldn't have gotten to that game.

 

[JrFischer54]

hes our mark stone! except we didn't utilize the cap space in a shady way :sigh:

ppg gwg in the third period game one by douglas! canes revenge tour book it

 

[Bleedred]

could you really steal a series after blowing a 3-1 lead though? i do agree he was a stud in the game 7 esp in the third period but it shouldn't have gotten to that game.

I think you can steal a series after a blowing a 3-1 lead, yes.

They would have never been up 3-1 if he wasn't standing on his head.

 

[Bleedred]

i dont think broduer was the reason we won the 2012 rangers series. i know its an unpopular opinion on here but i said it before if that 2003 devils team faced off against someone else in the west i dont think they win the cup that year. yeah the 95 series were great but that was like his second year in the league the other 18 years he didn't steal us a series?

I don't know, a lot of the west was nothing special that year.

Our toughest challenge may have been either Detroit or Colorado in what was Roy's last season.

Somehow both of those teams got eliminated in round one upsets.

Dallas would have been tough. Anaheim and Giguere took out two of those teams en route to the finals and the Cinderella Wild upset Colorado in round one, beat an okay Vancouver team in 7 games in round two and were swept out of the WCF by the Ducks.

I don't see any way we get eliminated by any of the other western playoff teams from that year. I can't even see any of those teams making the finals, barring them having a goaltender on their own Giguere run. So it would have been the same situation.

The Canucks? The Blues? The Wild? The Oilers?

 

[Bleedred]

The west was underwhelming in 2003 IMO.

Giguere and the Ducks mowing through it and the Wild upsetting Colorado (Colorado had been to at least the conference finals for 4 years in a row prior to that and were probably out of gas) and a WCF of Anaheim/Minnesota was probably a symptom of just how meh the west was that year.

Ottawa won the presidents trophy and they were the best team we faced.

 

[Cheddabombs]

I believe there's a Dano version of the "what year is it" meme that is very appropriate right now

 

[NjDevsRR]

I believe there's a Dano version of the "what year is it" meme that is very appropriate right now

 

[thebeernerd]

Two years ago I went to my first live playoff game experiences. I went to Game 1 against the Rags and one of the losing efforts against the Canes (Game 4?). The former one came at an unfortunate time, as my wife learned her best friend took her own life the day before. So I felt a bit uneasy being at this important game, even though she wanted me to go since it was so important to me. I left in the second intermission so that I could spend more time with her. The losing was a factor as well.

For my wife’s part, she was so struck with grief over those two weeks that she doesn’t even remember much of what happened, or even what day she learned the news. But I know that it was April 17, 2023, because Game 1 was the following day. So it still serves a purpose today.

My wife has gone on a spending spree for bamboo clothes for the kids- more than what she should be spending, no less. So I might just look into a playoff game ticket to get some measure of revenge. Although, unlike when she buys clothes, I’m going to consult her beforehand- if I manage to work up the nerve, that is.

 

[Brodeur]

I felt Marty stole the 2003 series against Ottawa. We almost lost that after going up 3 games to 1. The reverse of what we did to Philly in the 2000 ECF. I believe us coming back from 3 games to 1 is the only time that's ever happened in the conference finals?

I blame myself for offending the hockey gods. Anaheim had swept Minnesota (May 16) and the Devils were up 3-1 on Ottawa (May 17). My Ducks fan cousin called me and we planned to buy SCF Game 4 tickets.

After Ottawa won Games 5+6, I was rehearsing if I needed to sheepishly back out.

 

[Desert Devil]

We didn’t play the Sabres in 95. We played them in 94. That’s when the Marty-Hasek matchup was. We played Bruins, Pens, Flyers, and Wings in 95.

 

[Bleedred]

We didn’t play the Sabres in 95. We played them in 94. That’s when the Marty-Hasek matchup was. We played Bruins, Pens, Flyers, and Wings in 95.

I meant to make this correction earlier, after multiple people mentioned 95.

But those posts actually had me thinking ''That was 94. Did we play the Sabres again in 95? I know we did in 94? I think it was Boston who we played both years?''.