Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part VI

I think letting Bahl go was mistake as well...but let's face it, for his size, skill set and the overall type of player he was, he was soft and non aggressive.

And we were trying to get away from that.

Go ask Calgary fans if they see a soft player in Bahl.

I know you have disagreed with this in the past, but I put that down to Ruff. He didn't want his players playing a physical game.

Look at Jesper Bratt. The guy is actively grinding and hitting this season. They had this in them the whole time Lindy was here. He coached it out of them.

If Lindy were still here, we'd all be asking why players like Dillon and Noesen aren't hitting or doing the dirty stuff.

Go watch the Sabres. It's a carbon copy. Meek and disengaged.
 
Agree. Bahl was asked to do too much, too soon last season. He was out of his depth.

I just don't like how he was chucked into the risky Markstrom trade. I especially don't like reading Calgary fans posts on their boards, wondering why he let him go. He's doing really well for them and could end up playing in this league for another 10 years.

Uhhh. Hopefully the big Russian makes up for this.

My guess is that Bahl from age 26 - 29 will be exactly what this team needs - but they need him now. Unfortunately, Bahl is 24 and the team didn't have patience to wait the two years for him to mature. Hence the "upgrade" from Bahl to Dillon.

And, it's hard to argue with Fitz on this if you think the contention window is now. They needed more out of that 3LD spot - and either they had to gamble on Bahl progressing faster than anticipated, or sign an upgrade (Dillon) and then either sit Bahl or ship him out.

It's painful to know that we've sold low on Bahl though. Flames fans are already loving him. I think he'll be a very good 2nd pair D in a couple of years - similar to Carlo.
 
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Dillon is a much better player than Brendan Smith and it’s not even close. He is often miscaterogized as a face puncher because half this board can’t do 10 consecutive pushups. Brendan Smith wasn’t a bad player and probably a player you want for the playoffs, preferably a #7-8 defensemen.

I’m glad Dillon is on this team. He dropped the gloves enough times to ask for more help. He’s getting older and it’s just harder to bait a veteran. They’ve probably heard it all. Same goes with Noesen. Too bored to fight with young goons (ie Rempe, etc). We could use more fight from younger players but we don’t have any that fit that profile, maybe Zetterlund, but he’s gone.

GM also never replaced our shadow 1C. Guy who gave it his all every shift and dropped the gloves on a few occasions. Hate how things ended up, but just disgraceful lack of awareness by the president.

Can’t get fooled twice, but our Fitz did, 2023-2025. He needs to get fired. I can guarantee you the next GM to inherit this team will win a cup within 2 seasons. We are that good.

While I agree with your posts sometimes, you really need to tone it down mate lmao.

Throwing shade at internet randos about push ups is.... Unhinged?
 
It is a lot to ask.

Those guys can only do so much. They've done enough to get us (most likely) to the playoffs. But hard to see anything more than that.

Lazar, Bastian, Dowling, Palat, Tatar, Foote (!?), Legare, Hardman (lol), Halonen. Just junk.

Then you add down seasons for Haula and Mercer, with the new guy Cotter.

It's just not good. It's mish-mash, flim-flam. Whatever you want to call it.

Compare the depth in this organisation to the heavy hitters in the league. It makes painful reading.

EDIT: And this is a cap team, LMAO.
"Dowling, Foote (!?), Legare, Hardman (lol), Halonen. Just junk."

This is the "depth" he placed in Utica to call up in times of need. You also forgot Willman and Bowers.
Are you sh**ting me????????????????

They have paced the Comets to dead last in scoring, last place in the North Division, #29 in the AHL, #31 in goals for, #28 in PK% and I could go on. NJ has had their best center for the majority of the season. Wasn't Dowling an answer to their center losses? The Comets haven't had a center they could call up in the entire 4 years the Comets have been affiliated with the Devils and he hasn't drafted or acquired any by any other means for them either.

His farm construction has bit the Devils heavily in the ass every season and he doesn't seem to have a clue that it's been the case. Proof? He has constructed a weaker team in every successive season to culminate with what's there now. He doesn't see beyond his nose. He puts his team on the ice in October and seems to think that's all he needs until next October. Remember he wasn't worried about offense. His forward thinking and preparation for what can happen in between doesn't exist.

Oh, and in case you haven't been following my posts all season which has led to the recent tirades, those guys that have been leading the Comets into a huge abyss are coming back next year!!!!!!!!!!
 
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"Dowling, Foote (!?), Legare, Hardman (lol), Halonen. Just junk."

This is the "depth" he placed in Utica to call up in times of need. You also forgot Willman and Bowers.
Are you sh**ting me????????????????

They have paced the Comets to dead last in scoring, last place in the North Division, #29 in the AHL, #31 in goals for, #28 in PK% and i could go on. NJ has had their best center for the majority of the season. Wasn't Dowling an answer to their center losses? The Comets haven't had a center they could call up in the entire 4 years the Comets have been affiliated with the Devils and he hasn't drafted or acquired any by any other means either.

His farm construction has bit the Devils heavily in the ass every season and he doesn't seem to have a clue that it's been the case. Proof? He has constructed a weaker team in every successive season to culminate with what's there now. He doesn't see beyond his nose. He puts his team on the ice in October and seems to think that's all he needs until next October. His forward thinking and preparation for what can happen in between doesn't exist.

Oh, and in case you haven't been following my posts all season which has led to the recent tirades, those guys that have been leading the Comets into a huge abyss are coming back next year!!!!!!!!!!

I have been reading your posts all year mate. The time you take is not lost on me, I assure you.

I feel for you as clearly you have a passion for Utica. I'm sorry that Fitz has abandoned Utica and you clearly deserve much better.

Absolutely pathetic roster this year.

A strong AHL roster goes hand in hand with organisational depth.
 
Yeah I remember lots of posters wanting him. It made sense at the time, our top defensive prospects were not good (thanks Ray!). You had your 1-2 punch at centre, it was time to draft a good prospect D.

Honestly I thought Ty Smith would, at the very least, be a bottom pair NHL D. I thought he was pretty highly rated in the OHL. But he was not, and never will be a Sanderson level LD.

I was pretty indifferent at the time. I won't lie. The world was on fire after all, my daughter was a babe in arms. Son was a snotty nosed toddler. I had other shit to deal with.

I'm glad we got Mercer out that first round. Muk helped us get Meier (not the greatest returns...YET). Holtz should have been better than what he is, oh well.
I saw a ton of mock drafts the year we drafted Ty Smith. I don’t think I read one in which he would fall to us. I really liked the pick because of the value and also thought his floor was a third pairing D man.

I was banging on the drum for either Rossi or Drysdale. Passing on Rossi really burns a hole in my bum bum as he has developed into a really good player. I recall there was a large contingent of fans that wanted him and that one of our resident draft experts, @StevenToddIves, pumped this kid’s tires a great deal. Rossi was viewed by some of us as redundant with Nico but you can’t have enough centers and I’d gladly take more Hischiers on my team.

Was not overjoyed by the Holtz selection because to me it felt like a need pick (talked myself into liking it). Buffalo did the same thing a pick or two later with Jack Quinn and he’s also a bust. DRAFT BPA!! It’s just devastating to whiff completely and not even get a useful NHL player at 7OA. Winnipeg drafted Perfetti (another team that consistently drafts well) and while not a superstar at this point, he did score 19 goals last year and at worst is a solid contributor. I don’t fault Fitzgerald and company for not drafting Lundell or Jarvis (especially the latter) as most mocks I read had them in the 10-15 OA range. I won’t play revisionist history as I really liked the Mercer pick at the time.

If Jiricek becomes a great player on Minnesota, I’m also going to be annoyed. I liked him better than Nemec but in all fairness, it was close in my view.

My big issues with Fitzgerald related to drafting are:
1- Completely neglecting the center position in the draft year after year.
2- Being overly passive, patient and maybe stubborn to cashout on a draft pick before the asset’s value completely plummets (see Holtz, quite possibly Nemec)
3- Reaching for players (see Muk at 20OA), Stillman, instead of really working the draft. I get it takes two to tango with respect to a trade but man oh man…
 
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He has floundered free agency...he signed Dillon - who is already absolutely brutal in year 1. Pesce is signed long-term and is going to get risky.

He signed Palat years ago and we all knew how bad it was - and now it has been even worse.

Fitz is old school and has got to go.

I don’t think Dillon has been awful. He’s paid as a veteran third pair guy and provides that in my view. He isn’t great but he isn’t terrible. Watching games I don’t have too many cringe moments for him. He will fight when needed and always gives a solid effort to my eyes. I don’t think he’s the exhibit A on the Fitz stinks prima facie case.
 
I don’t think Dillon has been awful. He’s paid as a veteran third pair guy and provides that in my view. He isn’t great but he isn’t terrible. Watching games I don’t have too many cringe moments for him. He will fight when needed and always gives a solid effort to my eyes. I don’t think he’s the exhibit A on the Fitz stinks prima facie case.
Any post that that randomly throws in some Latin is a good one.

bene factum
 
I just don’t think you can build a contender with this many slow footed grenade handlers in your d core. Fitz “fixed” the D but what’s the point if it results in an impotent offense that will still put you at best a bubble team? Thinking that simply upgrading the forwards while having a non-existent transition game can make a contender is fool’s gold IMO…this isn’t 2009.

This is why I’ve turned on Fitz. I think this roster construction is horrific; the forward depth is an atrocity and the D is being over-rated by most because the GA look better on paper and in a vacuum compared to last year.
 
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The issue with Dillon is the third year that he didn’t need to give. Did it with Haula too

You think everyone else was offering 2 years to Dillon and what put it over was the 3rd year? I don't believe that. The Devils can just buy the third year of Dillon out and still come out ahead with Silayev's ELC.

I think the Devils have been out of the free agency game for too long that people have forgotten how it works. You pay 20% too much or a year+ too much, and in some cases both.
 
I just don’t think you can build a contender with this many slow footed grenade handlers in your d core. Fitz “fixed” the D but what’s the point if it results in an impotent offense that will still put you at best a bubble team? Thinking that simply upgrading the forwards while having a non-existent transition game can make a contender is fool’s gold IMO…this isn’t 2009.

This is why I’ve turned on Fitz. I think this roster construction is horrific; the forward depth is an atrocity and the D is being over-rated by most because the GA look better on paper and in a vacuum compared to last year.

I still think the injuries are going to get him a pass. Rightly or wrongly.

It would have been nice to see this team fully healthy come playoff time. Certainly would have been a much better challenge for the Canes. Not perfect or anything, but much much better than the dross that is going to get wheeled out.
 
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it’s amazing last night the jackets come back from Down 3 goals a couple times and win. Islanders today go down 4 and claw back to make it 4-3 both against playoff caliber teams. This team hasn’t shown that fight in two years even healthy. I’ll always go back to the #softcore
 
The biggest non-injury this year is the decline in Luke Hughes's play. He played like a superstar in December and is playing like a 3rd pairing D since. I think Pesce has declined somewhat too but Luke has especially fallen apart and it's totally unclear why that happened - he is still sometimes the fastest skater on the ice, but earlier he was by far the fastest skater on the ice.

It has everyone looking worse.
 
it’s amazing last night the jackets come back from Down 3 goals a couple times and win. Islanders today go down 4 and claw back to make it 4-3 both against playoff caliber teams. This team hasn’t shown that fight in two years even healthy. I’ll always go back to the #softcore
the Devils have 14 comeback wins and the Isles have 15
 
I think I'm closing in the lowest point of being a Devils fan (For me it was probably the Ruutu-Tootoo era). These last two seasons feel like a proper smack in the face, pulling the rug under my feet, after all the promise and hope from the 22-23 season. Nothing worse than being a mediocre bubble team with no future expectations. It was way more fun in 2019-2022 when our prospect pool was stacked and we were imagining what this team would be in the future. Our window was suppose to be open, but we look like one of the worst teams in the league right now with close to zero prospect of a future success. The core is at or close to their prime, but we still suck. How are we so far away from the Jets, we were suppose to be the the hot young future contending upcoming team and they were the aging, coach losing, closing on rebuild team. Is a vezina goalie and couple of goal scorers all this sport needs to win, does team play, depth, coaching etc even matter anymore??

I'm just so bumped out, what does making playoffs even matter when we are so far away from the top teams. We can't even win 4 straight at our best.
 
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I think I'm closing in the lowest point of being a Devils fan (For me it was probably the Ruutu-Tootoo era). These last two seasons feel like a proper smack in the face, pulling the rug under my feet, after all the promise and hope from the 22-23 season. Nothing worse than being a mediocre bubble team with no future expectations. It was way more fun in 2019-2022 when our prospect pool was stacked and we were imagining what this team would be in the future. Our window was suppose to be open, but we look like one of the worst teams in the league right now with close to zero prospect of a future success. The core is at or close to their prime, but we still suck. How are we so far away from the Jets, we were suppose to be the the hot young future contending upcoming team and they were the aging, coach losing, closing on rebuild team. Is a vezina goalie and couple of goal scorers all this sport needs to win, does team play, depth, coaching etc even matter anymore??

I'm just so bumped out, what does making playoffs even matter when we are so far away from the top teams. We can't even win 4 straight at our best.

lol this is absurd

the Devils were down 4 of their best 7? players last night, including their best forward and 2 best LHD.

Making judgments that they have "no future expectations" on one game is ridiculous.

cant wait for all the "BUT WE TOLD YOU SO!" posts quoting this one
 
lol this is absurd

the Devils were down 4 of their best 7? players last night, including their best forward and 2 best LHD.

Making judgments that they have "no future expectations" on one game is ridiculous.

Yeah this is the expected narrative some of you are going to go with, completely ignoring that they sucked even more jan-feb with full healthy roster. They have their moments, but they can't score and are a much slower team than two years ago.

The future part is refering to our prospect pool. We have zero centers, and no topline talent in the pipeline. We have some D, though Nemec looks like a bust now, but no forwards.
 
Yeah this is the expected narrative some of you are going to go with, completely ignoring that they sucked even more jan-feb with full healthy roster. They have their moments, but they can't score and are a much slower team than two years ago.

If you truly believe this team has "no future expectations", I don't know what to tell you.
 
If you truly believe this team has "no future expectations", I don't know what to tell you.

Are you expecting this current roster to improve significantly or what? I don't think you can ask much more from the top3 guys, Nico is a Selke contender, Jesper is closing in on 90pts, it just isn't enough. Would be nice if Jack stayed healthy, but there's no guarantee of it. Maybe Meier can score close to 35-40 again. The forward prospect pool is empty, we don't have a 1st and I expect Fitz to trade of most of our top picks (which he probablt should). Grits could be a top6 guy, Hämeenaho I don't see having a successful NHL career, whose next? Nobody, even Träff was traded.
 
Are you expecting this current roster to improve significantly or what? I don't think you can ask much more from the top3 guys, Nico is a Selke contender, Jesper is closing in on 90pts, it just isn't enough. Would be nice if Jack stayed healthy, but there's no guarantee of it. Maybe Meier can score close to 35-40 again. The forward prospect pool is empty, we don't have a 1st and I expect Fitz to trade of most of our top picks (which he probablt should). Grits could be a top6 guy, Hämeenaho I don't see having a successful NHL career, whose next? Nobody, even Träff was traded.

yes, I am. Because they have a lot of cap space tied up in useless players. Palat, Haula, even Mercer. I think they can get better usage of Hamilton's $9 mill. Bastian does nothing. Tatar does nothing.

the forward prospect pool is not empty, they have a couple of guys who will likely end up as middle 6 wingers, which is exactly what this team needs right now.

the pieces that they need are the easiest to find. Now, will Fitz find the right guys? Sure we can debate that. But to just say "this team is not ever going to get any better" is weird stuff.
 
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the Devils have 14 comeback wins and the Isles have 15
This is completely misleading. You’re including 1 goal deficit comebacks, which are really not all that uncommon - most people do not even refer to winning a game after going down 1-0 in the first period a “comeback win”. It takes much more determination and skill to come back from 2+ deficits, and that’s what most people think of when talking “comeback”. The devils are at the bottom of the league in that category.
 
This is completely misleading. You’re including 1 goal deficit comebacks, which are really not all that uncommon - most people do not even refer to winning a game after going down 1-0 in the first period a “comeback win”. It takes much more determination and skill to come back from 2+ deficits, and that’s what most people think of when talking “comeback”. The devils are at the bottom of the league in that category.

why is a factual statement misleading? lol

yes, the literal definition of a comeback win is coming from behind to win. Whether its 1 goal or 4.

the fact that you want to throw another caveat into is on you

I dont feel like going back and forth with you on semantics though so lets just say you won this argument, mmkay?
 

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