Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part V

[AfroThunder396]

Markstrom is playing badly right now, no question. But again, the only reason we're in playoff position now is because we banks so many points int he first half of the season, and Markstrom was a hug reason for that.

I just don't feel comfortable saying 'Markstrom might cost us a playoff spot' when Markstrom is the main reason we're in that playoff spot in the first place. At some point, the rest of the roster needs to do their jobs. Some skaters are, some skaters aren't.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Fitz surely does love a name. We can agree on that.

Hall of fame lmao. Ok mate.

Caps trading for Thompson was a calculated risk. As was NJ trading for Markstrom. Hell, all trades are risks. They just paid way less, so less risk.

just like when NJ traded for Vitek Vanecek, right?

You aren't being realistic with this stuff.

 

[JrFischer54]

Fitz surely does love a name. We can agree on that.

Hall of fame lmao. Ok mate.

Caps trading for Thompson was a calculated risk. As was NJ trading for Markstrom. Hell, all trades are risks. They just paid way less, so less risk.

lets not kid ourselves at the time the two teams had two different time lines on what they were trading for. the caps were suppose to be rebuilding and didn't need a veteran goalie like markstrom. the devils after going two years with no name goaltending sinking them weren't going to risk a third year on another. like i said vitek was a rock solid goalie for us the first year here. lets see how thompson and the caps play next year before we wish him here. not much to ask for

 

[britdevil]

the trade was absolutely a risk. I didnt even love it at the time.

but to knock the GM and say he should have traded a mid round pick for Logan Thompson instead? yeah, I dont think anyone said that. Nor did anyone think Thompson would be THIS good.

You are right. I agree.

With that lovely old hindsight, Caps identified that their roster was aging and needed a shake up. That's all I was trying to allude to. That and it's funny how they traded for a goalie who is NOW a far superior player, for pennies on the dime, ten bloody days after Fitz's risky business.

What horrible, terrible, botched "luck".

 

[My3Sons]

Starting next year they absolutely should be. They need to strip this back down to nothing and build it up again. I’d prefer to be rid of the Hughes family all together.

If we’re not trying to build a multiple cup winner than what is really the point. Keep taking swings in the draft until you acquire the studs. Do it as long as it takes..better than floating around in mediocrity hoping for some coalescence of depth to magically get us a one-shot at the cup only to fall back to mediocrity again after that.

That's bold. I like Luke's game and I think Jack can be a great player even if he needs a bit more discipline. I don't see any universe where ownership wants them gone. They attract attention and sell tickets.

 

[britdevil]

lets not kid ourselves at the time the two teams had two different time lines on what they were trading for. the caps were suppose to be rebuilding and didn't need a veteran goalie like markstrom. the devils after going two years with no name goaltending sinking them weren't going to risk a third year on another. like i said vitek was a rock solid goalie for us the first year here. lets see how thompson and the caps play next year before we wish him here. not much to ask for

Agreed. I'm just saying that, right now, I'd prefer to have their 28 year old with several years left versus whatever the hell Markstrom is.

Maybe Markstrom gets hot and steals a series off the Canes. I'd be here for it.

 

[JrFischer54]

Markstrom is playing badly right now, no question. But again, the only reason we're in playoff position now is because we banks so many points int he first half of the season, and Markstrom was a hug reason for that.

I just don't feel comfortable saying 'Markstrom might cost us a playoff spot' when Markstrom is the main reason we're in that playoff spot in the first place. At some point, the rest of the roster needs to do their jobs. Some skaters are, some skaters aren't.

i legit was going to post this exact thing. like i dont get the hate for the guy and i really dont get the frustration with the team playing him now.


how dare you suck right now we might miss the playoffs that you helped get us to!

 

[My3Sons]

Fitz surely does love a name. We can agree on that.

Hall of fame lmao. Ok mate.

Caps trading for Thompson was a calculated risk. As was NJ trading for Markstrom. Hell, all trades are risks. They just paid way less, so less risk.

Every move the Caps have made recently has been the right one. When you shoot 75% as a team that will make anyone look good.

 

[JrFischer54]

Starting next year they absolutely should be. They need to strip this back down to nothing and build it up again. I’d prefer to be rid of the Hughes family all together.

If we’re not trying to build a multiple cup winner than what is really the point. Keep taking swings in the draft until you acquire the studs. Do it as long as it takes..better than floating around in mediocrity hoping for some coalescence of depth to magically get us a one-shot at the cup only to fall back to mediocrity again after that.

people used to call me doom and gloom on here but i dont think the team needs to be stripped down. for better or worse this is the core they have to ride it out with. i question their heart and passion but nico bratt timo jack aren't going anywhere same with dougie and luke. so the team has a good start on the hard to find pieces another top 3 player and fill out the bottom 6 better (theres enough bottom 6 talent out there every year) and pray jack doesn't get hurt

 

[My3Sons]

people used to call me doom and gloom on here but i dont think the team needs to be stripped down. for better or worse this is the core they have to ride it out with. i question their heart and passion but nico bratt timo jack aren't going anywhere same with dougie and luke. so the team has a good start on the hard to find pieces another top 3 player and fill out the bottom 6 better (theres enough bottom 6 talent out there every year) and pray jack doesn't get hurt

Oh, don't be modest. They called you much worse names than that.

 

[britdevil]

just like when NJ traded for Vitek Vanecek, right?

You aren't being realistic with this stuff.

I'm not sure where this is going to be honest.

I originally made a point that the Markstrom trade was risky. That's all. That is was funny that the Caps traded for a goalie 10 days later, for far less. Funny.

I got shouted at that it wasn't or never was seen as a risky trade. Bullshit, it was and is. Now we might end up with Jake f***ing Allen as the backstop.

Funny in that "I want to jump off a f***ing building" kinda way.

 

[JrFischer54]

Oh, don't be modest. They called you much worse names than that.

they should call me right

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I despise Markstrom but Markstrom trade was fine in a nutshell, Fitz was never going to get a half measure goalie after Vanecek. He was always going to swing for the fences and get someone like Markstrom to solidify the nets with Allen. Issue is that Markstrom has made a career of being either super hot or super oold, he also was the perfect goalie for this team considering they gave up a ton of high danger chances last year. Now the opposite has happened with Keefe where they did give up low danger shots way more and Markstrom is not really the goalie for that and you see it sometimes on the dumbest goals he gives up. Kevin Hayes last week is a good example of that. The SHG v Toronto in December in a 1-0 game is another good example of that. He was brought in to get them to the playoffs and be a difference maker in that format, we won't know anything about that this year probably since they're a dead team walking but maybe in 25-26.

 

[MartyOwns]

Not even really sure how to even respond to this its so outrageous.

Like I said, you probably should pick another team. You're gonna have a BAD TIME if this is what you think should be happening.

if we miss the playoffs and miss next year, i think all options are on the table...including nuking the roster and starting over. that's a ways away and i hope to zeus it doesn't happen, but sadly it's not as farfetched as it was 6 months ago.

ideally, we squeak into the playoffs and fix the supporting cast over the summer.

 

[JimEIV]

I'm not sure where this is going to be honest.

I originally made a point that the Markstrom trade was risky. That's all. That is was funny that the Caps traded for a goalie 10 days later, for far less. Funny.

I got shouted at that it wasn't or never was seen as a risky trade. Bullshit, it was and is. Now we might end up with Jake f***ing Allen as the backstop.

Funny in that "I want to jump off a f***ing building" kinda way.

It was risky. We beat the topic to death before it happened. Maybe I am not remembering it correctly, but I thought many were apprehensive about a 35 year old goalie on this board...

I remember posting something to effect: - when the 35 year goalie gets injured you better not call it bad luck -

 

[Edmonton East]

Wait a second...are we pretending that wasn't the the thought with 2 #1OA's?

I mean, sure no one can expect generational talent like Crosby or McDavid...but if you are drafting two guys #1 overall two years apart that is your damn franchise...like it or not it just is.

Even if it's not the full throttle eliteness of a Crosby/Malkin. Those two picks were always going to define this team and most of its destiny.

Wait a second, players actually have to play in the league and perform after being taken 1OA?!?! I wasn't aware every 1OA became an elite superstar and won Cups. Nevermind the fact that no serious person then or even now would consider prime Hischier/Hughes in the same breath as prime Crosby/Malkin or McDavid/Drai. And that isn't an indictment on Nico or Jack, they are great players. It's an indictment on Fitz and apparently many posters here that have absurdly unrealistic expectations of these guys.

Also, point out where I said those 2 picks wouldn't define this team. Do it. The point very obviously remains that Fitz is acting as if Hischier/Hughes can carry a team, get materially elevated production out of replacement level players, like the elite of the elite can. They cannot.

Scrub Palat would put up 50+ points with McDavid/Prime Crosby. Get it yet? Very clear that's what Fitz expected with his moves the last 2 years and it ain't happening....it's also insane to think it would happen in the 1st place.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

just like when NJ traded for Vitek Vanecek, right?

You aren't being realistic with this stuff.

Wait, what did you expect from Vanecek in the long term? He was the goalie version of Ryan Graves where he was a OBVIOUS stop gap until the Devils figured out what to do there. Logan Thompson was always a better bet than Vitek ever was to succeed at a starter role, to even compare the two is laughable.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Wait, what did you expect from Vanecek in the long term? He was the goalie version of Ryan Graves where he was a OBVIOUS stop gap until the Devils figured out what to do there. Logan Thompson was always a better bet than Vitek ever was to succeed at a starter role, to even compare the two is laughable.

Please stop this stuff.

Nobody was saying things like this when Vitek was traded for or even after he was here for 1 year.

You've invented some sort of alternate reality in your head that is not based in anything.

 

[JimEIV]

Wait a second, players actually have to play in the league and perform after being taken 1OA?!?! I wasn't aware every 1OA became an elite superstar and won Cups. Nevermind the fact that no serious person then or even now would consider prime Hischier/Hughes in the same breath as prime Crosby/Malkin or McDavid/Drai. And that isn't an indictment on Nico or Jack, they are great players. It's an indictment on Fitz and apparently many posters here that have absurdly unrealistic expectations of these guys.

Also, point out where I said those 2 picks wouldn't define this team. Do it. The point very obviously remains that Fitz is acting as if Hischier/Hughes can carry a team, get materially elevated production out of replacement level players, like the elite of the elite can. They cannot.

Scrub Palat would put up 50+ points with McDavid/Prime Crosby. Get it yet? Very clear that's what Fitz expected with his moves the last 2 years and it ain't happening....it's also insane to think it would happen in the 1st place.

Your post come off way to hostile and I'm really chill right now. Just had lunch and now a cup of tea.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Please stop this stuff.

Nobody was saying things like this when Vitek was traded for or even after he was here for 1 year.

You've invented some sort of alternate reality in your head that is not based in anything.

The legitimate irony of this post is insane.

So then why are you crying about a different poster mentioning a different goalie like Thompson being acquired and then equating it to Vanecek? You're the one who's making misinformed arguments as per usual

 

[Edmonton East]

Your post come off way to hostile and I'm really chill right now. Just had lunch and now a cup of tea.

Fair, but the misquoting is endless around here.

 

[britdevil]

Your post come off way to hostile and I'm really chill right now. Just had lunch and now a cup of tea.

I hope you put some f***ing milk in that tea mate. Couple biscuits to dunk in it. A man brew.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Wait a second, players actually have to play in the league and perform after being taken 1OA?!?! I wasn't aware every 1OA became an elite superstar and won Cups. Nevermind the fact that no serious person then or even now would consider prime Hischier/Hughes in the same breath as prime Crosby/Malkin or McDavid/Drai. And that isn't an indictment on Nico or Jack, they are great players. It's an indictment on Fitz and apparently many posters here that have absurdly unrealistic expectations of these guys.

Also, point out where I said those 2 picks wouldn't define this team. Do it. The point very obviously remains that Fitz is acting as if Hischier/Hughes can carry a team, get materially elevated production out of replacement level players, like the elite of the elite can. They cannot.

Scrub Palat would put up 50+ points with McDavid/Prime Crosby. Get it yet? Very clear that's what Fitz expected with his moves the last 2 years and it ain't happening....it's also insane to think it would happen in the 1st place.

They carried the team to a franchise win record that Scott Stevens and Marty Brodeur couldn't.

But even then, Brodeur and Stevens had Elias, Daneyko, Rafalski, Mogilny, Gomez, Richer, Lemieux, Arnott, Sykora, Broten, Friesen, Gionta, Brylin, Madden, Holik, Peluso, McKay, White....who are those guys on this current roster?

Bratt, yep. Meier, ehhh sure. Luke, maybe someday but not quite yet. Who else?

 

[SansaStark]

Not even really sure how to even respond to this its so outrageous.

Like I said, you probably should pick another team. You're gonna have a BAD TIME if this is what you think should be happening.

And you’ll have an equally bad time clinging to GodKing Jack Hughes, and soon to be multiple selke winner Nico Hischier as the saviors who will surely bring this franchise multiple cups.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Logan Thompson cleared 40 games 1 time at the time he was traded. How is that at all a comp for Markstrom who has played more than 40 games 7 years in a row (60 or more 3 times) and was being traded with salary retention?