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Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part V

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ZachaFlockaFlame said:
You went from talking about overall goals and now it's a 5v5 issue......., choose a side
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if you want compare him to other guys on the team that don't get the PP time like he does it makes sense to look at 5v5...

Like you've attacked Mercer a few times...this year and last he has 26 5v5 goals ...

Meier this year and last has 26 5v5 goals ...

Bratt this year and last has 27 5v5 goals.

Edit: who's the problem as far as goal scoring in this picture?
 
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Lou Bloom said:
Pavel Dorofeyev has the most goals of any winger on the Golden Knights. Does that now mean that Mark Stone Isn't an elite player because a role player is scoring more goals on the wing?
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Stone was injured and missed about 15 games this season.
 
JimEIV said:
Stone was injured and missed about 15 games this season.
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Dorofeyev is outpacing him in goalscoring. And outside of this year, Bratt has outpaced Stone in goalscoring the 3 years previous. Are you willing to say Mark Stone isn't an elite player because of his lack of goalscoring?

JimEIV said:
if you want compare him to other guys on the team that don't get the PP time like he does it makes sense to look at 5v5...

Like you've attacked Mercer a few times...this year and last he has 26 5v5 goals ...

Meier this year and last has 26 5v5 goals ...

Bratt this year and last has 27 5v5 goals.

Edit: who's the problem as far as goal scoring in this picture?
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In the past 4 seasons:

Jesper Bratt has 68 5v5 goals

Timo Meier has 68 5v5 goals

Brady Tkachuk has 68 5v5 goals.
 
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Jesus Christ, Bratt in on pace for 23 goals, a whopping 4 goals less than last year, and 6 goals less than his average over the previous 2 seasons. Move on to some other dumb argument where the goalposts will be shifted just so you can bitch about whoever is on your shit list that week.
 
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Lou Bloom said:
Dorofeyev is outpacing him in goalscoring. And outside of this year, Bratt has outpaced Stone in goalscoring the 3 years previous. Are you willing to say Mark Stone isn't an elite player because of his lack of goalscoring?
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This is silly. Stone had career threatening injury 3 years ago...he played 43 games in 2023, 56 in 2024 and he was injured again this year against Dallas and has only played 51 of the teams 65...

None of this makes sense.
 
MadDevil said:
Jesus Christ, Bratt in on pace for 23 goals, a whopping 4 goals less than last year, and 6 goals less than his average over the previous 2 seasons. Move on to some other dumb argument where the goalposts will be shifted just so you can bitch about whoever is on your shit list that week.
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I feel the need to continue to clarify... I'm saying BOTH Bratt and Meier are the main problems with our goal scoring.

Not just Bratt... and if you want to remove the names to protect the players ...goal scoring from our top 6 wingers is what I'm complaining about. It's abysmal.

Just for clarification
 
Lou Bloom said:
Dorofeyev is outpacing him in goalscoring. And outside of this year, Bratt has outpaced Stone in goalscoring the 3 years previous. Are you willing to say Mark Stone isn't an elite player because of his lack of goalscoring?


In the past 4 seasons:

Jesper Bratt has 68 5v5 goals

Timo Meier has 68 5v5 goals

Brady Tkachuk has 68 5v5 goals.
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4 seasons ago Meier wasn't a New Jersey Devil....and Brady Tkachuk was still on his ELC....you come up with some doozy comparisons.
 
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JimEIV said:
This is silly. Stone had career threatening injury 3 years ago...he played 43 games in 2023, 56 in 2024 and he was injured again this year against Dallas and has only played 51 of the teams 65...

None of this makes sense.
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Bratt scored more goals per game and more goals per 60 than Stone. These are rate metrics which takes into account missed games. Bratt has been a better goal scorer than Stone the past 4 seasons.

JimEIV said:
4 seasons ago Meier wasn't a New Jersey Devil....and Brady Tkachuk was still on his ELC....you come up with some doozy comparisons.
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Tkachuk is one year younger than Bratt. They have the same amount of goals 5v5 in the past 4 seasons with Tkachuk playing only 2 less games over that span. You've referenced Tkachuk multiple times as the type of goal scoring winger the Devils lack, yet he's scoring at similar rates 5v5 to the two players you continually complain about. How you can't see that comparison making sense is beyond me.
 
Am I the only one who thinks that both Glass and Dumoulin could give this hockey club something it needs in terms of some correct slotted players?

Like glass a lot and he could continue to grow with this group and now you suddenly got yourself a good 3C.

Give Casey a year more in the ahl and keep Nemec with the current squad.
 
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Devils hockey the last few days ^^^^

You can also by this portrait on the Fanatics website 😂 They have one for every team though so it's not some exclusive Devils merch but still a funny picture none the less haha
 
BomaLightDevils said:
Am I the only one who thinks that both Glass and Dumoulin could give this hockey club something it needs in terms of some correct slotted players?

Like glass a lot and he could continue to grow with this group and now you suddenly got yourself a good 3C.

Give Casey a year more in the ahl and keep Nemec with the current squad.
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They're both perfectly fine depth players that filled needs. I'm still cautious on Glass because we've seen guys look really good in the beginning and then come back down to earth after a while before. But he has produced in the past, and I'm not going to hold his time on a bad Pittsburgh team against him, so maybe he can be a longer term answer at #3C, or even just a solid #4C.
 
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Bottom line on Kovy, one of the most fun and exciting players I’ve ever had the pleasure to watch live. An absolute freak of nature athlete.

I’ll remember him fondly, even if his time here was short and filled with plenty of controversy. Plenty of it his own doing, plenty of it brought upon by ownership and the league. How he carried the team in 2011 when Lemaire took over and the entire 11-12 season+playoff run sit atop my core memories of a 2010s decade that didn’t offer a whole lot of other positives.
 
I do like how Kovy retired 15 years after signing that contract with us. Almost just to prove he could've played out the entire thing lol
 
SteveCangialosi123 said:
Surely this Jim fella loved Ilya Kovalchuk, goal scorer extraordinaire.
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Worst thing that ever happened to this organization...

Well? Maybe the second worse after Vanderbeek... The two combined was a carnival sideshow...and not even a good sideshow like conjoined twins....it was more like the fat lady with a beard.... you know 50/60 years ago the fat lady with a beard was a sideshow, today it's just the head of any liberal arts departments in any American University. So time changes things I guess?
 
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JimEIV said:
Worst thing that ever happened to this organization...

Well? Maybe the second worse after Vanderbeek... The two combined was a carnival sideshow...and not even a good sideshow like conjoined twins....it was more like the fat lady with beard.... you know 50 years ago the fat lady with a beard was a sideshow, today it's just the head of any liberal arts departments in any American University. So time changes things I guess?
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Yes but he scored lots of goals! That's all that matters right?
 
I have to drive to Boston now for my mother-in-laws 80th birthday...so if I don't answer you it's not because I don't love you.
 
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"The guy who is 9th in league scoring and who is about to break Scott Stevens' assist record is the reason we in the dire predicament of having a 99% chance to make the playoffs" is something I would expect to see in the YouTube comments section.

Jim is usually much better at picking his battles. I'm disappointed and quite frankly a little worried. Hopefully it's just the bourbon talking.
 
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