Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part V

[JimEIV]

Noted bum Aleksander Barkov had 3 goals 20 points in 23 games from January to March. Verhaeghe 2 goal 10 points in 20 game stretch. Matthew Tkachuk 1 goal 8 points in a 16 game stretch.

I’m not looking at any other teams, but you get the point.

WtF are you talking about Barkov has 6 goals in his last 24 games

Verhaegie has 7 goals since January 1.

M. Tkachuk has 9 goals since January 1.


Meier and Bratt combined have 6 in their last 30 combined

Stop trying to make believe that Bratt and Meier"s scrub assed effort is ok. It's not.

 

[Triumph]

We cannot have an argument about J Bratt in the midst of this total collapse. My dudes...The ice just does not tilt the way it used to on every line.

Luke's lost a step. He can still go around forwards and attack from the point but he is not taking over shifts in the offensive zone anymore. And the rest of his game has fallen apart too.

 

[JimEIV]

FISH ON!!! bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz tighten that drag

Yeah right. Point out the obvious suckage and it's a troll....sure.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

WtF are you talking about Barkov has 6 goals in his last 24 games

Verhaegie has 7 goals since January 1.

M. Tkachuk has 9 goals since January 1.


Meier and Bratt combined have 6 in their last 30 combined

Stop trying to make believe that Bratt and Meier"s scrub assed effort is ok. It's not.

Barkov had 3 goals between his first game in January and his first game in March (23 games). As I stated. Every other stat you can take the time to search out. All occurred during this season.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Yeah right. Point out the obvious suckage and it's a troll....sure.

Certainly seems like it. You've been alternating who you've been attacking for the last few hours, throwing out names and angles looking for bites.

 

[NjDevsRR]

WtF are you talking about Barkov has 6 goals in his last 24 games

Verhaegie has 7 goals since January 1.

M. Tkachuk has 9 goals since January 1.


Meier and Bratt combined have 6 in their last 30 combined

Stop trying to make believe that Bratt and Meier"s scrub assed effort is ok. It's not.

You are moving goalposts as always

Barkov literally has a 3 goals in 20 gms stretch from 1/1 to 2/28

I told you about the Brady stretch

I told you about the Stutzle stretch

I told you about that Tkachuk stretch

Please stop debating in bad faith. We are literally showing you multiple examples of good players having bad stretches of their seasons in terms of goal scoring. Every team goes through this. You are making it an as an indictment of said player when in reality, its a problem when the TEAM can’t pick up the slack.


My goodness….

Ok, pizza and beer time.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

You guys are arguing with the same person who thought prime Ilya Kovalchuk was the problem for NJ, of course he's not gonna like Bratt/Meier

 

[SJinNewJersey]

The next 18 days with 9 games will pretty much be the season. 2 games with the Jackets, games with Philly , Oilers, Pens, Flames, Sens, Canucks and Hawks. None of these games are back-to-back either.

 

[JimEIV]

Certainly seems like it. You've been alternating who you've been attacking for the last few hours, throwing out names and angles looking for bites.

No I haven't alternated anything...I began with the core is not good enough. The core as I see it Jack, Nico, Bratt and Meier up front.

And they haven't been good enough.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Noted bum Aleksander Barkov had 3 goals 20 points in 23 games from January to March. Verhaeghe 2 goal 10 points in 20 game stretch. Matthew Tkachuk 1 goal 8 points in a 16 game stretch.

I’m not looking at any other teams, but you get the point.

Verhaeghe is actually a good reason why people shouldn't bug out on Timo, both are great players having absurdly bad shooting years but one guy is on the Florida Panthers and his team legitimately has depth so his shitty year isn't scrutinized meanwhile the other guy is playing on a roster that the GM virtually destroyed so his lack of production is looked at even more.

 

[Oneiro]

I'll give you Meier, but the team is where it's at because Mercer, Palat and Haula are garbage and are barely even playing at a third line level. It's indisputable. Every serious team gets more from that slot in the lineup. It is THE problem and having four guys bail them out constantly isn't a plan.

Even Noesen and Cotter at least had a run in them in the first half.

Mercer is making Zacha look like Lindros. Not only is he unproductive, he's not smart, plays die on his stick and he's softer than Bratt and Nico.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

No I haven't alternated anything...I began with the core is not good enough. The core as I see it Jack, Nico, Bratt and Meier up front.

And they haven't been good enough.

Brain worms, no group of players in the league is doing anything with this bottom 6. Remember when the Avs struggled earlier in the year? Their GM went out and fixed the goaltending, added depth pieces and now they're about to go on a run in the spring. Misguided anger at the players when the GM had his thumb up his ass the previous 2 regular seasons.

 

[JimEIV]

You guys are arguing with the same person who thought prime Ilya Kovalchuk was the problem for NJ, of course he's not gonna like Bratt/Meier

He was a problem. A huge problem . He destroyed this franchise and sent many players running for the exits along with broke ass Vanderbeek.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Lol right, the guy playing with a f***ed back in 2012 and would've won the Conn Smythe was the problem meanwhile our spineless captain was too busy making an exit plan out of NJ while this team was playing Cup games

 

[JimEIV]

I'll give you Meier, but the team is where it's at because Mercer, Palat and Haula are garbage and are barely even playing at a third line level. It's indisputable. Every serious team gets more from that slot in the lineup. It is THE problem and having four guys bail them out constantly isn't a plan.

Even Noesen and Cotter at least had a run in them in the first half.

Mercer is making Zacha look like Lindros. Not only is he unproductive, he's not smart, plays die on his stick and he's softer than Bratt and Nico.

Mercer, Cotter and Palat, (who I have been saying for two years sucks) have scored as many Even Strength goals as Bratt and Meier....this narrative that the bottom 6 being the problem is just bullshit.

Haula sucks and a better 3C would go a long way....but Cotter having as many Even Strength goals as Meier and more than Bratt is huge problem. It's the biggest problem in my opinion, that is the lack of goal scoring ability from the top 6.

 

[Lou Bloom]

Mercer, Cotter and Palat, (who I have been saying for two years sucks) have scored as many Even Strength goals as Bratt and Meier....this narrative that the bottom 6 being the problem is just bullshit.

Haula sucks and a better 3C would go a long way....but Cotter having as many Even Strength goals as Meier and more than Bratt is huge problem. It's the biggest problem in my opinion, that is the lack of goal scoring ability from the top 6.

Brady Tkachuk who you brought up as the gold standard has less even strength goals than Bratt, Meier and Cotter.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Brady Tkachuk for Bratt trade is the exact move that would tell me this team and fanbase has no idea what they realize the actual issue with this roster is

 

[Eggtimers]

I’m watching the Avs / Leafs game . It’s weird watching teams that can finish . Blackwood looks like he is human after all . It feels like we are going to finish the season averaging scoring 1 goal a game… if we are lucky . Weird how other teams bottom 6 actually generate offence instead of just skating around doing absolutely nothing.

 

[AfroThunder396]

 

[Eggtimers]

Luke's lost a step. He can still go around forwards and attack from the point but he is not taking over shifts in the offensive zone anymore. And the rest of his game has fallen apart too.

That’s another thing I don’t get about our team / players . Luke looked like an honest to God Norris candidate calibre Dman for a stretch . He was dominant at both ends of the ice and was getting better every game . Then it just stopped and he regressed . I have no idea why . Maybe a small nagging injury ? Lack of confidence ? No clue but he went from looking amazing to meh .
It’s almost like someone cursed the team at Christmas and they all starting playing 1/2 as good as they were before .
Went from a dominant / confident team to one that looks like a lottery team that can’t score .

 

[Edmonton East]

Again, the frequent chirping that the team is just being held back by the bottom 6 is lazy nonsense. Does it need to be better? Of course. But the top 6 didn't produce enough at ES all season.

Fact: the Devs have 1 player in the top 65 forwards in ES p/60 (500 min+). And it wasn't alleged elite superstar man of glass Jack Hughes.

 

[JK3]

Yeah right. Point out the obvious suckage and it's a troll....sure.

Are you Pejorative Slured? Look at my avatar lol.

This team has massive issues but targeting Bratt is silly, he's been racking up assists and facilitates the meager offense this team has. There's this little black frozen rubber thing they call a puck, with his tremendous shiftyness and insane skating ability he takes said puck and passes it to another player who deposits in the net (that's the 4 foot x 6 foot opening framed by metal pipe painted red).

Pound for pound Bratt is probably one of the strongest guys on the team, he cant help that he's not a 6 foot plodding beast. Not being a slow as shit slab of meat he's one of the best skaters in the league as well which allows him to distribute the puck like most can't. You have to get over him being a big goal scorer and if you're looking for a massive goal scorer you're nuts.

This is a bullshit argument bordering trolling with this nonsense. I bet you absolutely love Scott Gomez, I do for sure, 100%. Look up his goal and assist totals, very similar and shocking actually since Bratt was on absolute dog shit teams most of his tenure.

Speaking of hulking beasts I'm with you 100% on Timo or as I call him Temu (the cheap Chinese imitation). You want to turn your ire on not scoring goals or having a huge impact look to him but Bratt is a nonstarter with this nonsense.

 

[Better Call Sal]

How very timely.

 

[Triumph]

Again, the frequent chirping that the team is just being held back by the bottom 6 is lazy nonsense. Does it need to be better? Of course. But the top 6 didn't produce enough at ES all season.

Fact: the Devs have 1 player in the top 65 forwards in ES p/60 (500 min+). And it wasn't alleged elite superstar man of glass Jack Hughes.

Huh, weird how you moved to a rate stat when you are talking about the players who play the most, and then went to '1 forward in the top 65' which means '2 forwards in the top 66'.

Nico has one secondary assist at ES this year. Is that his fault or his linemates? He's top 40 in goals/60. But sure, not enough secondary assists.

Meier is 7th in xG/60 and 182nd in goals/60. Does he have to score more, absolutely. Is he the primary reason why Nico has no secondary assists? Probably.

 

[Eggtimers]

I need to take a break from watching Devils games . It gets me too worked up and depressed . Everything that has happened since Christmas is just too much shit to handle for now to find the team enjoyable anymore .
Going from looking like one of the top teams in the league and legit contenders , to what looks like a lottery team … with no hope in sight … is just a massive kick to the junk .
It’s to the point where I am “hating” players and Fitz . That’s not good . Right now I cannot stand to watch 1/2 the team play. Haula Mercer Tatar Dowling Bastian Palat . All bags of shit and useless .
So many frustrating things happened . How the F did Luke go from looking like a legit Norris calibre Dman for a stretch , to now just meh ? How do we go from destroying top teams and holding them to under 20 shots , to struggling to score 1 goal against humpty teams ?
We are not making the playoffs and it’s very depressing to see