Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part V

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Whether it's the deadline or in the summer we really need another 2C considering Nico and Jack's injury history.

I just don't want a panic move right now. I'd rather stay still than panic.
Staying still is beyond the wrong move. They should panic, this will be another wasted season then we’ll hear all about how they have no payoff experience etc. they need to get into the playoff. Staying still doesn’t address the problem.
 
It's relevant in that they 100% need a guy capable of playing 2C, including being serviceable (not great) at faceoffs, driving the net, and comfortable being a presence in front of the net. Agree there isn't much value in speculating, especially for months. But I also don't wanna hear they don't need a 2C or high end 3C anymore. It wasn't a "nice to have" this season and it certainly isn't next season. It's a requirement. If it's a high end 3C capable of playing up the lineup, fine. If it's a top 6 W utility C, fine.

They gambled thinking Mercer would replicate his February 2023 at some point this year, they gambled on Palat having the same year he did in 23-24, they gambled on Haula not being a useless turd all year and they gambled on their centers being healthy all year. They went 0/4 and this is the result we're left with. It's also ignoring the other various factors with the Markstrom injury, Siegs getting hurt, Timo not being able to score yet being a good driver of play. A lot has gone wrong for them this year once again but a lot of it was self inflicted like in 23/24. I'm sure we'll see a proactive Fitz once again, he'll get a mulligan due to this Jack injury as much as I hate it, we'll see where it lands up around August and September when training camp opens for next year.
 
Whether it's the deadline or in the summer we really need another 2C considering Nico and Jack's injury history.

I just don't want a panic move right now. I'd rather stay still than panic.

Someone said it before though, I think it was @britdevil, you can't just sit on your hands or sell because that's giving the message to the locker room that they are shit without Jack. And while that's probably true in totality, you can't have guys like Nico/Bratt thinking that or someone like Markstrom who'll be big pieces for 25/26.

I think it’s hard on everyone to go from a team top-five in cup odds for a long time to playing horrendous hockey for months and now down their superstar center and best offensive dman.

That’s a fairly exhausting season, especially after how last year turned out.

Last 2 years have felt like 10 seasons combined of drama lol
 
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I mean how do you come together when you have mods telling posters they’re not allowed to talk about the long term health concerns of our franchise forward and they should go root for a different team as a result?

The policing of “negativity” has gotten out of control. Why do people feel the need to act as Public Relations personnel for a multi-billion dollar sports organization that hasn’t delivered positive results to the paying fan in over a decade?

I never said you couldn't talk about it. Not one post about it was deleted or edited.

But I am sure as f*** gonna call doomer talk that we got to fold the season up because Jack is a permanently broken bird. I'm f***ing exhausted by it and it's my opinion it's trash loser talk
 
Someone said it before though, I think it was @britdevil, you can't just sit on your hands or sell because that's giving the message to the locker room that they are shit without Jack. And while that's probably true in totality, you can't have guys like Nico/Bratt thinking that or someone like Markstrom who'll be big pieces for 25/26.



Last 2 years have felt like 10 seasons combined of drama lol
The thing that doesn't square here is how can we all seem to be in agreement about this while claiming the future is bright and management has not failed?
 
When the Braves won the WS in 2021 Aucuna got hurt for the year like halfway through and everyone goes "well they lost their best player no way they can win now" and then they added a few random C level rentals and went on an absolute tear and won and that isn't remotely analogous to this because that team had decent depth, a dominant pitching staff, and Freddie Freeman
 
I never said you couldn't talk about it. Not one post about it was deleted or edited.

But I am sure as f*** gonna call doomer talk that we got to fold the season up because Jack is a permanently broken bird. I'm f***ing exhausted by it and it's my opinion it's trash loser talk
If you're saying we shouldn't be sellers I'm agreeing, although I'm torn about whether we should just stand pat or be buyers.

If you think it's loser talk then just say that, but your responses certainly imply that talking about the potential long-term impacts of Jack's repeated injuries is crossing some kind of line...I mean you straight up told someone to go root for a different team. :dunno:
 
The thing that doesn't square here is how can we all seem to be in agreement about this while claiming the future is bright and management has not failed?

I've been the first one and been bashed saying I don't trust Fitz anymore and thinks he's a big culprit in all of this. That being said, just like how Shero was a fool with the defense and we eventually landed on Fitz fixing the defense. The reverse can happen once again, they're not totally far off. All this team needs is a bottom 6, whether it's drafting like Shero did which is probably unlikely since Fitz/scouting department stink at it or you can find a new GM/voice that cleans it up. The latter is likely if Fitz has one more kick at the can and fails in 25/26.

When the Braves won the WS in 2021 Aucuna got hurt for the year like halfway through and everyone goes "well they lost their best player no way they can win now" and then they added a few random C level rentals and went on an absolute tear and won and that isn't remotely analogous to this because that team had decent depth, a dominant pitching staff, and Freddie Freeman

Well, that was one of the funniest let downs I've read in my life but I needed that laugh after the past week lmao
 
A few options I'd be inquiring about:

Hockey trades
1. C/W Trevor Zegras for Dawson Mercer
2. C Shane Pinto for Dawson Mercer
3. C Casey Mittelstadt for Dawson Mercer
4. W Mattias Maccelli for Dawson Mercer
5. W Mikko Rantanen for Simon Nemec, Dawson Mercer, 2026 1st

Pure Rentals
1. W Kyle Palmieri for 2025 2nd
2. W Rickard Rakell for 2025 2nd and 2026 3rd
3. W Jason Zucker for 2025 3rd

Longer term holds
1. C Ryan O'Reilly for 2025 2nd and 2026 2nd
2. C/W Jared McCann for 2025 2nd and 2026 conditional 1st (if reach ECF, otherwise 2027 1)
3. W Lawson Crouse for 2026 3rd

I think if they can add (1) one of McCann or O'Reilly and (2) one of the wingers and the Devils would be in fine shape. Think they could do both and still have another 2nd to use in the draft.
I'd love O'Reilly and Crouse.
 
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As I said, I’d go to war with this group.

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Many differing opinions here but we should all come together in these tough times
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Staying still is beyond the wrong move. They should panic, this will be another wasted season then we’ll hear all about how they have no payoff experience etc. they need to get into the playoff. Staying still doesn’t address the problem.
If the price is right absolutely make the trade. What I mean is don't mortgage the future and do something stupid like trade a valuable future asset for an older player and/or rental. If the trade makes sense absolutely do it, but don't panic either and screw over the future.
 
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I am also worried about jacks long term health and direct impact from that injury, but we wont know anything valuable until training camp, or october, so not really worth discussing the details of that concern until the next season rolls up.

"is Jack going to be the same player going forward" is a legit worry, but probably we should punt that discussion until at least October next season, once we see how everything is going.
I think we do need to be concerned about jacks ability to stay healthy but the this last crash into the boards would break just about anyone.


He does have a propensity for such hits though.
 
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I don’t think it’s fair to say Jack is broken forever, but it’s also not to fair to say there definitely won’t be any long term recurrences.

This is the third time in the six years he’s been in the league that ended the season on the IR.

Although last year he probably would have played till the end if we either made the playoffs or were still alive by the final game.
 
Staying still is beyond the wrong move. They should panic, this will be another wasted season then we’ll hear all about how they have no payoff experience etc. they need to get into the playoff. Staying still doesn’t address the problem.
What 2C with term and in their 20s is available though. And that's before ya get to the whole issue of the astronomical assets needed to acquire that player. Realistically I guess it's Cozens or bust and you pray he can re-breakout. Caps and Dubois situation. Plus, his contract likely disqualifies several contenders from going after him (no chance Sabers retain) and others won't be comfortable with the contract risk considering how he's played. Devs finally have cap flexibility this offseason, so they can take a risk. Idk if it's the right one; haven't watched Cozens enough the last couple years.

I'm good with moves that make sense in the context of this roster though. I'm fine with them selling tbh, which probably should be the case if they can't take a swing at a 2C without getting wrecked. I'm fine with them somehow buying a C if the risk/reward is there. I'm 100% not fine with Fitz continuing to do nothing and wasting assets whether via action or inaction. Get a 2C or a 3C with a chance of stepping up, or sell.
 
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I've been the first one and been bashed saying I don't trust Fitz anymore and thinks he's a big culprit in all of this. That being said, just like how Shero was a fool with the defense and we eventually landed on Fitz fixing the defense. The reverse can happen once again, they're not totally far off. All this team needs is a bottom 6, whether it's drafting like Shero did which is probably unlikely since Fitz/scouting department stink at it or you can find a new GM/voice that cleans it up. The latter is likely if Fitz has one more kick at the can and fails in 25/26.
It took a couple of years to turn the defense around and even then it lasted one season before it had to be re-tooled yet again. We can't afford to wait another couple of years for the forwards to get fixed now. Yeah I know it could in theory turn around quick with the right moves, but this comes down to track record and trust. This org can't be trusted to deliver great results unless they get great luck and everything goes perfect, and we know that's not going to happen for more than one random season at a time.
 
I don’t think it’s fair to say Jack is broken forever, but it’s also not to fair to say there definitely won’t be any long term recurrences.

This is the third time in the six years he’s been in the league that ended the season on the IR.

Although last year he probably would have played till the end if we either made the playoffs or were still alive by the final game.
And mind you, literally no one has said Jack is broken forever lol. That's another fabricated argument to shadow box against "doomerism". Some people just seem totally incapable of confronting reasoned, less than rosy, assessments of this team or its players. I mean, I understand falling back on the "flukiness" of injuries a few times, but objectively, it is concerning that our franchise player can't stay healthy. And that has major impacts about how this team operates and builds the team moving forward. Not an opinion, just a fact.

I hope Tom Fitzgerald isn't throwing a tantrum and lashing out when confronted with information he doesn't like as he assesses how he needs to course corrects this squad the way some posters here are.
 
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When the Braves won the WS in 2021 Aucuna got hurt for the year like halfway through and everyone goes "well they lost their best player no way they can win now" and then they added a few random C level rentals and went on an absolute tear and won and that isn't remotely analogous to this because that team had decent depth, a dominant pitching staff, and Freddie Freeman
Still have a chance to add our Eddie Rosario, Joc Pederson and Jorge Soler
 
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I don’t think it’s fair to say Jack is broken forever, but it’s also not to fair to say there definitely won’t be any long term recurrences.

This is the third time in the six years he’s been in the league that ended the season on the IR.

Although last year he probably would have played till the end if we either made the playoffs or were still alive by the final game.
Also, his shoulder apparently was hurt a bit in the Canes series. Nothing like what has happened the last two seasons or the 2021-2022 season, but still.


If the price is right absolutely make the trade. What I mean is don't mortgage the future and do something stupid like trade a valuable future asset for an older player and/or rental. If the trade makes sense absolutely do it, but don't panic either and screw over the future.
"Mortgage the future." what future? Nemec? Casey? Picks? This team on paper with its core should not be worrying about selling any of the aforementioned off. They exist for that. We bad lucked into Nemec and f***ed the pick up, we should be looking to off load him while he has value still. Casey is a bottom pairing guy most likely that won't be playing on the PP over Luke or Dougie. I'd move him to winger, but that's not in the cards with Tom to suggest that to Keefe, he's not that forward thinking.

Here's what we should worry about future wise over picks and prospects, Jack's next contract, Nico's next contract unless he's fed up with the constant next year bullshit from this team and no actual jump into relevancy. Markstrom being a year older and declining. The team needs to make moves that help them now.
 

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