Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part V

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Keefe's comments were absolutely in line with the performance he witnessed and I suggest going back and reading exactly what he said because it's not how you paraphrased it. He praised the first two periods and lambasted the third, saying that the player who played in the third period doesn't belong in the league, and he is correct. Now if Nemec reads those comments, he might not understand what Keefe is saying there, because he was making a subtle distinction. But it's also as bad a period of hockey as I've seen a guy play.
I was talking about his comment on Sprong and not Nemec.

As far as Nemec, I remember him saying “Youngest player on the team” in regards to his mistakes in the 3rd/what made the team give up all those goals so quickly.

And I do remember him saying the player he was on the road trip was helpful, but not the player he saw last night.

I have no issues with what he said about Nemec at all.
 
They need to move on from at least 4 forwards, preferably 6. That’s a lot of turnover
Yeah, but realistically they just need to replace those guys with 3 quality forwards to make a big improvement. No team is running out 12 good forwards on a nightly basis, the problem with Devils is mainly the large dropoff in talent after Jack, Nico, Bratt and Meier (although Meier is in a separate tier from those guys). If they can get some solid players that can provide a higher level than what we're currently getting from the middle/bottom 6 then we can see big improvements even if there's still some weak links on the team.
 
As awful as that display was, I like the move to throw Nemec right back in. Show some pride and make up for that atrocity. If he can’t snap out of it, send him down for Casey.

With Dougie out I think we need Casey’s offense from the back end but they seem inclined to let Nemec sink or swim and they trust him more when he’s not playing like an asshole
 
Some of the moves Fitz has made has been bad. I don't like the 2nd going out for D if we weren't significantly improving the F group. With that said, I'm sure other GMs were trying to pry away people we didn't want to part with at the moment. That's why I felt they should have made a trade weeks ago when it was apparent the team couldn't score.

Just about everyone thought this team was going to at least win one round and lots thought we were going to make it to the ECF because we fixed our areas of need. Unfortunately our bottom 6 decided to completely fall off the map.

Probably his biggest mistake was Nemec over Cooley. Jack was already having shoulder issues prior to that and he probably should have picked up Cooley and had an elite 3rd line C who could be pushed up a line or 2 when needed. The Stillman pick was bad too but it's not like he was picked in the top 10.

We had Luke at the time, but we really had no one else as Casey and Silayev came after the Nemec pick. Regardless, I probably would have picked Cooley since the #1 C on the board would have been better long term for the team.
 
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Yeah, but realistically they just need to replace those guys with 3 quality forwards to make a big improvement. No team is running out 12 good forwards on a nightly basis, the problem with Devils is mainly the large dropoff in talent after Jack, Nico, Bratt and Meier (although Meier is in a separate tier from those guys). If they can get some solid players that can provide a higher level than what we're currently getting from the middle/bottom 6 then we can see big improvements even if there's still some weak links on the team.

I hate doing line stuff for next year when we're in the playoff hunt now, but next year's team should be something like -

Meier-Hischier-Mercer*
?-Hughes-Bratt
?-?-Noesen
Cotter-Glass-?

* - Mercer is to me on the block for trade.

Hopefully we can fill one of these in with Gritsyuk. And IMO they can bring back Tatar at a minimum-ish salary as an extra forward.

The biggest problems apart from Haula cratering are A: the 5th best forward is Noesen and B: the 13th best forward is Justin Dowling.
 
I don’t think this team gets it done this year. So disappointing. Fix the bottom 6.

They’ve played at a 70 pt pace since Christmas despite getting ELITE goaltending. WC2 right now is pacing for 90. We’d have to up out pace from Christmas back to .500 just to hit 90 and now we’re down our best player, another guy who is arguably the next most important player on the team, and our best offensive weapon on the backend. It’d be a semi miracle if they even still make the playoffs. They’re f***ing horrific.

This stretch since Christmas is the worst hockey the Devils have played since 19-20. Even 2021 and 21-22 was more respectable hockey even if the results were shit.
 
We have to stop pretending like it’s just the bottom six. Who is the sniper/goal scorer in our top six? Who is stepping up when Jack goes down?

We have 18 games to see if this core is up to snuff when Jack is not around, but sadly my expectations are low.
The top 4 Devils scorers scored 1,58 gpg in 22/23, 1,53 gpg in 23/24 and 1,4 gpg in 24/25. The other skaters scored 1,95 gpg in 22/23, 1,82 gpg in 23/24 and 1,48 gpg in 24/25.

So yes: our top players score 0,18 fewer goals per game this year than two seasons ago, when we were really doing well. Over 64 games, that translates into 11,5 fewer goals. That is significant. But the other guys have dropped almost half a goal per game, which translates into 30 fewer goals in 64 games. In total, our gpg went from 3,54 in 22/23 to 2,96 this season.

As far as defence, we're giving up about 0,2 goals per game less this season than 22/23. So the defence/goaltending is a little better while the goal scoring went down massively.
 
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Gotta say...I just don't know what anyone who thinks Nemec > Casey is watching. For like, at least a year now.

You can put Casey in the '23 Severson role with a few less minutes and he'll eat.

I agree, though, I do like putting Nemec back out there to prove it was a one-off.
If Nemec makes one mistake anywhere near as lazy as the third period though then you’re literally playing with five D
 
He's scored more goals than both Bratt and Meier since December 27th....in fact those 2 combined have score 7 goals since December 19th and Cotter has 6 from the 3rd and 4th line since December 27th.

It's painfully obvious where the real problems are. Bratt and Meier's lack of goal production since late December is a bigger problem than any bottom 6 player....

Paul Cotter 775K

Bratt and Meier 17 million.

But this is all just par for the course... you guys will find anything to avoid holding this core accountable. And they have in large part sucked over the the last bunch of years with the exception of a few moments.
Bratt has been a point per game player the last two years. Certainly underwhelming the last two months, as has the entire team, but he's not the problem. I'll give you Meier.
 
It’s not about the trades themselves, it’s how they appear optically. They have no plan or vision. No matter what we thought of picks like Traff and Graham (who’s out for the season) what does it say about TF trading them less than a year of drafting them after making a big deal about “getting bigger” and all the other crap, to then dispose of them in nothing trades?

He got pants by Verbeek, plain and simple. In no trade market, and you can argue about green banana picks and prospects all you want, does a 33yo Dman with no term merit a 2nd and a prospect, none. f*** retention, especially when he didn’t do dick with it.

It’s about the whole cycle of TF. The TDL was just a microcosm of his inane vision. How do you f*** up a team that set a franchise record for points and was a scoring machine and turn it into this?

Speed, gone, overall finish, gone, middle 9 and 4th line depth, gone. Better coach with better structure now, sure but even SK to me is a question mark with all the shutouts and lack of finish. He’s coaching what he has and he doesn’t have control over the roster building, so pass for him for now.

But the team apparently ate too much Christmas ham and never recovered. Injuries aside, what happened to team that set a record for shots against in multiple games? When the team was drowning at the end of January/early February, what was his plan? Accrue cap space? Bullshit. But wait, didn’t he say he hated deadline deals? Why couldn’t you try and add one 3rd line player then and see? Get Cody Glass back then? (Not looking at cap
implications back then, and frankly don’t care. Don’t f***ing @ me with crappy pedantic crap).

Beyond Lenni and Grits, who no way are guarantees to be good NHLers, there’s zero organizational forward depth. That’s five years of drafting! Three D top picks:

Holtz: I don’t know, drafted around where expected but scouting his skating and intangibles should have been a priority for team vision fit. To be clear, I wanted Rossi especially for the Asti Spumante memes.

Stillman: Enough with the COVID draft excuses, we could’ve all drafted better at that spot. That guy has a hard on for NHL lineage and went with that. Clear as day now. He was a reach anyway you cut it and we all knew it then when the pick was announced. We all shouting “Stankoven” “Zelleweger”. Heck I wanted Ham and Salami!

Luke: right call, that wasn’t a hard one to make but he did have a hard on when he did it.

Nemec: he got caught with his pants down when MTL took JS, plain and simple. Then overcorrected and drafted 27 RDs. Why hasn’t he traded any of those as throw aways? We were all shocked, I was unsure of Wright thanks to our local draft geeks, but no idea who I wanted at that point.

Silayev: good pick/potential “unicorn” DDM but realistically he’s not contributing as a fully developed player for another 4-5 years. A forward pick there could be contributing in 2-3. But knowing him he would’ve f*** that up too. I wanted Nygard, would’ve settled for Helenius or a trade down.

Looking at the overall picture, he has no plan, the trading of players you just drafted shows that. “Get bigger and get to the net for dirty goals” is not a plan. You can’t plug that in and hope for the best. The organization has no skill at all and the little that it has from his poor drafting, he gets rid of it. So what’s the message to the fan base? What’s the message to the team and where it’s going, building for a cup?

Are only hope is that one or two of Bratt, Nico, Timo, maybe Luke, and maybe Markstrom puts the team on their backs and go on a Original Kovy or Hall like run and muster something for us to cheer about.

Is TF a low IQ dunce? No. But is he a championship caliber GM/Prez, whatever his dumb title is? Not with loser talk like, “we tried”. f*** him. Lindy wasn’t it and now this guy isn’t it.

And stop f***ing trading with Pittsburgh or ex-Pens. You f***ing myopic jerk off!

No more effort from me to watch nor attend games.

Edit: and f*** everything having to do with McDoofus too. f***ing moronic 3 year deal. Idiot. You f***ing idiot.
 
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Devils' fans after the trade deadline looking for Fitz.

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The plan at the deadline was to add a center with term but it fell through.

I do agree that the team is not at all what he originally set out to build when he hired Ruff. I don't know if Tom pivoted because he decided the giants on the backend that can skate are suddenly taking over the league, or he became enamored with size cause his best forwards were undersized and/or had injury concerns, or he just reverted to the default GM state of mind when pressure mounts and your job is on the line, but the team he's built is not really the culmination of the 10 year "fast/attacking" building plan Shero started on, and I'm quite nervous about the moves he's gonna make this offseason to fix/fill in the many holes in the forward group.
 
Hopefully we can fill one of these in with Gritsyuk. And IMO they can bring back Tatar at a minimum-ish salary as an extra forward.

Won’t happen and I can guarantee it. Haula, Palat, Tatar are all gone with the new GM.

And if Haula and Palat refuse to accept trades then they need to be forced into a Saad contract extermination (which by the way should be investigated by the NHLPA) but that’s a rant for another day.
 
I hate doing line stuff for next year when we're in the playoff hunt now, but next year's team should be something like -

Meier-Hischier-Mercer*
?-Hughes-Bratt
?-?-Noesen
Cotter-Glass-?

* - Mercer is to me on the block for trade.

Hopefully we can fill one of these in with Gritsyuk. And IMO they can bring back Tatar at a minimum-ish salary as an extra forward.

The biggest problems apart from Haula cratering are A: the 5th best forward is Noesen and B: the 13th best forward is Justin Dowling.
Gritsyuk should have a spot next season.

I'd also trade Mercer and Nemec to improve the forward group, whether that's in a package deal for a higher end forward or in separate trades for multiple forwards.

After that, whatever cap space they have left should be used in signing forwards.

If Fitz plays this right he can make a quick turnaround with the forward group but he has to choose the right targets.
 
It’s not about the trades themselves, it’s how they appear optically. They have no plan or vision. No matter what we thought of picks like Traff and Graham (who’s out for the season) what does it say about TF trading them less than a year of drafting them after making a big deal about “getting bigger” and all the other crap, to then dispose of them in nothing trades?

He got pants by Verbeek, plain and simple. In no trade market, and you can argue about green banana picks and prospects all you want, does a 33yo Dman with no term merit a 2nd and a prospect, none. f*** retention, especially when he didn’t do dick with it.

It’s about the whole cycle of TF. The TDL was just a microcosm of his inane vision. How do you f*** up a team that set a franchise record for points and was a scoring machine and turn it into this?

Speed, gone, overall finish, gone, middle 9 and 4th line depth, gone. Better coach with better structure now, sure but even SK to me is a question mark with all the shutouts and lack of finish. He’s coaching what he has and he doesn’t have control over the roster building, so pass for him for now.

But the team apparently ate too much Christmas ham and never recovered. Injuries aside, what happened to team that set a record for shots against in multiple games? When the team was drowning at the end of January/early February, what was his plan? Accrue cap space? Bullshit. But wait, didn’t he say he hated deadline deals? Why couldn’t you try and add one 3rd line player then and see? Get Cody Glass back then? (Not looking at cap
implications back then, and frankly don’t care. Don’t f***ing @ me with crappy pedantic crap).

Beyond Lenni and Grits, who no way are guarantees to be good NHLers, there’s zero organizational forward depth. That’s five years of drafting! Three D top picks:

Holtz: I don’t know, drafted around where expected but scouting his skating and intangibles should have been a priority for team vision fit. To be clear, I wanted Rossi especially for the Asti Spumante memes.

Stillman: Enough with the COVID draft excuses, we could’ve all drafted better at that spot. That guy has a hard on for NHL lineage and went with that. Clear as day now. He was a reach anyway you cut it and we all knew it then when the pick was announced. We all shouting “Stankoven” “Zelleweger”. Heck I wanted Ham and Salami!

Luke: right call, that wasn’t a hard one to make but he did have a hard on when he did it.

Nemec: he got caught with his pants down when MTL took JS, plain and simple. Then overcorrected and drafted 27 RDs. Why hasn’t he traded any of those as throw aways? We were all shocked, I was unsure of Wright thanks to our local draft geeks, but no idea who I wanted at that point.

Silayev: good pick/potential “unicorn” DDM but realistically he’s not contributing as a fully developed player for another 4-5 years. A forward pick there could be contributing in 2-3. But knowing him he would’ve f*** that up too. I wanted Nygard, would’ve settled for Helenius or a trade down.

Looking at the overall picture, he has no plan, the trading of players you just drafted shows that. “Get bigger and get to the net for dirty goals” is not a plan. You can’t plug that in and hope for the best. The organization has no skill at all and the little that it has from his poor drafting, he gets rid of it. So what’s the message to the fan base? What’s the message to the team and where it’s going, building for a cup?

Are only hope is that one or two of Bratt, Nico, Timo, maybe Luke, and maybe Markstrom puts the team on their backs and go on a Original Kovy or Hall like run and muster something for us to cheer about.

Is TF a low IQ dunce? No. But is he a championship caliber GM/Prez, whatever his dumb title is? Not with loser talk like, “we tried”. f*** him. Lindy wasn’t it and now this guy isn’t it.

And stop f***ing trading with Pittsburgh or ex-Pens. You f***ing myopic jerk off!

No more effort from me to watch nor attend games.

Edit: and f*** everything having to do with McDoofus too. f***ing moronic 3 year deal. Idiot. You f***ing idiot.
The coaching is better now but he was basically forced into it. Didn’t want to fire Lindy, waited until way too late to do it because the pressure was too intense by then and was forced too, then literally cried about it like he was sending his best friend to the bread line.

Meanwhile in Vegas and Tampa they cut ties with guys who meant way more to the team, when they have to, because the number one priority is winning and the logo on the front.

I loathe the leadership of this franchise.
 
The plan at the deadline was to add a center with term but it fell through.

I do agree that the team is not at all what he originally set out to build when he hired Ruff. I don't know if Tom pivoted because he decided the giants on the backend that can skate are suddenly taking over the league, or he became enamored with size cause his best forwards were undersized and/or had injury concerns, or he just reverted to the default GM state of mind when pressure mounts and your job is on the line, but the team he's built is not really the culmination of the 10 year "fast/attacking" building plan Shero started on, and I'm quite nervous about the moves he's gonna make this offseason to fix/fill in the many holes in the forward group.

We could have had the best C in the draft in 2022 right after Jack has an "upper body" injury followed by a shoulder injury.

Probably the biggest swing and miss.
 
It’s not about the trades themselves, it’s how they appear optically. They have no plan or vision. No matter what we thought of picks like Traff and Graham (who’s out for the season) what does it say about TF trading them less than a year of drafting them after making a big deal about “getting bigger” and all the other crap, to then dispose of them in nothing trades?
Exactly that. That is precisely why I hated everything Fitz did at the deadline. There was not a single deal he made that imho was good and made a lot of sense. Not one. Everything was reactionary and lacked any kind of vision or plan.
 
It’s not about the trades themselves, it’s how they appear optically. They have no plan or vision. No matter what we thought of picks like Traff and Graham (who’s out for the season) what does it say about TF trading them less than a year of drafting them after making a big deal about “getting bigger” and all the other crap, to then dispose of them in nothing trades?

I agree that I didn't like trading Graham yesterday, even though I think Graham isn't any good and quite possibly wasn't going to get an ELC anyway, but if that's the case why draft him? So yeah, hate this.

He got pants by Verbeek, plain and simple. In no trade market, and you can argue about green banana picks and prospects all you want, does a 33yo Dman with no term merit a 2nd and a prospect, none. f*** retention, especially when he didn’t do dick with it.

The market was crazy. I don't think any other lefties moved as a rental, which implies a static market, but indeed I think it just means that teams who wanted one didn't get one. That said, I would've rather just made this Cholowski move and sat out the rest - Fitz seemed to not change course once Hughes went down.

It’s about the whole cycle of TF. The TDL was just a microcosm of his inane vision. How do you f*** up a team that set a franchise record for points and was a scoring machine and turn it into this?

Speed, gone, overall finish, gone, middle 9 and 4th line depth, gone. Better coach with better structure now, sure but even SK to me is a question mark with all the shutouts and lack of finish. He’s coaching what he has and he doesn’t have control over the roster building, so pass for him for now.

We've gone over it, but a large portion of it is that the Devils drafted forwards really well for a few years and then stopped in 2020, and those depth forwards are gone - most of them were too expensive anyway. And Haula totally fell apart.

But the team apparently ate too much Christmas ham and never recovered. Injuries aside, what happened to team that set a record for shots against in multiple games? When the team was drowning at the end of January/early February, what was his plan? Accrue cap space? Bullshit. But wait, didn’t he say he hated deadline deals? Why couldn’t you try and add one 3rd line player then and see? Get Cody Glass back then? (Not looking at cap
implications back then, and frankly don’t care. Don’t f***ing @ me with crappy pedantic crap).

The cap matters and whether or not teams are willing to make a deal matters. I'd like to see Fitzgerald get more creative in season, he really hasn't done a whole lot with waivers over his tenure here. The team had needs, try to fulfill them.

Tom said he doesn't like rentals and is a bit skeptical of deadline deals.

Stillman: Enough with the COVID draft excuses, we could’ve all drafted better at that spot. That guy has a hard on for NHL lineage and went with that. Clear as day now. He was a reach anyway you cut it and we all knew it then when the pick was announced. We all shouting “Stankoven” “Zelleweger”. Heck I wanted Ham and Salami!

I wish he had an actual season of play, but absolutely, of course this is probably his worst single move. Stillman not only was a terrible pick, he should not have been signed, and the Devils should've gotten a compensatory 2nd round pick in 2023 as a result. I can't think of a 1st round pick that bad in Devils history - maybe Adrian Foster, for whom there were extenuating circumstances.

Silayev: good pick/potential “unicorn” DDM but realistically he’s not contributing as a fully developed player for another 4-5 years. A forward pick there could be contributing in 2-3. But knowing him he would’ve f*** that up too. I wanted Nygard, would’ve settled for Helenius or a trade down.

A trade down would've been almost impossible because a trade down had just happened in the spot below him the day before - picks 11 and 14 were just exchanged. So there's two teams who aren't in the market to move anywhere. The farther you go down, the harder it is to match value.

I don't see why you have concluded that Silayev can't contribute in 2026. He's playing top 4 minutes in the 2nd best men's league in the world in his D+1.

Looking at the overall picture, he has no plan, the trading of players you just drafted shows that. “Get bigger and get to the net for dirty goals” is not a plan. You can’t plug that in and hope for the best. The organization has no skill at all and the little that it has from his poor drafting, he gets rid of it. So what’s the message to the fan base? What’s the message to the team and where it’s going, building for a cup?

Honestly I think this does tell me he has a plan, it's just not a plan you like (and I don't like it either). If you just draft the best player available every time, is that a plan? Sure doesn't sound like it to me. But then what was he doing with Nemec and Casey?

Is TF a low IQ dunce? No. But is he a championship caliber GM/Prez, whatever his dumb title is? Not with loser talk like, “we tried”. f*** him. Lindy wasn’t it and now this guy isn’t it.

I think Fitzgerald has had some awfully bad luck as GM. Dougie Hamilton had minimal health problems in his career before signing here, he's missed the equivalent of a full season + had half a season ineffective with a broken jaw. Jack Hughes's injuries. Everything that's happened with the goalies. It might be time for him to go - sometimes too much bad luck leads to bad decisions.
 
Exactly that. That is precisely why I hated everything Fitz did at the deadline. There was not a single deal he made that imho was good and made a lot of sense. Not one. Everything was reactionary and lacked any kind of vision or plan.
I don't know about that. The Dumoulin trade wasn't good due to the gaping hole at forward that wasn't fixed and he wasted LTIR space zeroing in on a center that he failed to acquire but the other moves make sense.

Kovacevic re-signed for a good price (effectively bottom pairing AAV) and it should allow them to trade Nemec in the offseason for forward help.

Taking a chance on a 25 year old center in Glass for spare pieces isn't a bad bet. He's solid defensively and has scored well in the AHL and in 2022-2023 at the NHL level. He's also an RFA after the season, so if he performs well the Devils will still have team control.

Sprong for a 7th is also fine. The Devils are getting 0 offense out of the bottom 6 currently, Sprong has proven at the NHL level that he can provide offense in limited minutes.
 

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