Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part III

just wait til you find out about the tournament they want to play in every 4 years in the middle of the season when the games are played on the other side of the world now thats stupid!
I can make an exception for the Olympics quite easily but even that isn't as fun without Russia in it. It would be nice to see guys like Silayev play World Juniors and guys like Gritsyuk playing for Russia in the Olympics as well. It's a shame we can't see how Russia currently stacks up in the international hockey scene.
 
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I’ll be interested to see how the 4 Nations games are played.

I expect the skating and board battles to be full effort but I do think you will see players be safer with their bodies than they would be in a regular season game. I guess I’m thinking this will be something like an amped up all-star game level of play; all-star with board battling and positional defense actually being played.

I'd expect the level of hockey to be pretty good. Nastiness won't be on par with say the 1996 World Cup, but once the puck is dropped I think these guys won't be able to turn off the competitiveness. Especially since this is an Olympic audition for a good chunk of players.

is anyone excited for shutting down the league for 2 weeks to play this in brand new gimmicky in season tournament ? that i was told would never happen ?


whatever team wins are they going to go crazy and celebrate on the ice like they won the cup?

Personally don't mind the break. I admittedly put a little too much time/effort into watching the Devils in the regular season, so now I don't have to get worked up being stuck in the office late and having to avoid spoilers for a couple weeks.

The tournament setup is far from perfect, but I know how much the 1996 World Cup boosted my interest level as a kid. To that point (pre-Internet), I wouldn't have been able to tell you whether Bill Guerin or Scott Niedermayer were American or Canadian without digging up a magazine. I like to think this appetizer of international hockey will be of interest to the 2025 equivalent of 1996 me.

I get that we're mostly cynical adults who compulsively complain online, but yeah, I'm excited to see Canada/USA next Saturday.

Connor-Eichel-M.Tkachuk
Guentzel-Matthews-Hughes
B.Tkachuk-Miller-Boldy
Nelson-Trocheck-Larkin/Kreider

Slavin-Fox
Werenski-McAvoy
Hanifin/Sanderson-Faber

Hellebuyck-Oettinger-Swayman

Reinhart-McDavid-Marner
Stone-Crosby-MacKinnon
Marchand-Point-Jarvis
Hagel-Cirelli-Bennett/Konecny

Toews-Makar
Morrissey-Parayko
Theodore/Sanheim-Doughty

Hill-Binnington-Montembeault

As a hockey fan, I'm very interested to see how that game goes.
 
I'd expect the level of hockey to be pretty good. Nastiness won't be on par with say the 1996 World Cup, but once the puck is dropped I think these guys won't be able to turn off the competitiveness. Especially since this is an Olympic audition for a good chunk of players.



Personally don't mind the break. I admittedly put a little too much time/effort into watching the Devils in the regular season, so now I don't have to get worked up being stuck in the office late and having to avoid spoilers for a couple weeks.

The tournament setup is far from perfect, but I know how much the 1996 World Cup boosted my interest level as a kid. To that point (pre-Internet), I wouldn't have been able to tell you whether Bill Guerin or Scott Niedermayer were American or Canadian without digging up a magazine. I like to think this appetizer of international hockey will be of interest to the 2025 equivalent of 1996 me.

I get that we're mostly cynical adults who compulsively complain online, but yeah, I'm excited to see Canada/USA next Saturday.

Connor-Eichel-M.Tkachuk
Guentzel-Matthews-Hughes
B.Tkachuk-Miller-Boldy
Nelson-Trocheck-Larkin/Kreider

Slavin-Fox
Werenski-McAvoy
Hanifin/Sanderson-Faber

Hellebuyck-Oettinger-Swayman

Reinhart-McDavid-Marner
Stone-Crosby-MacKinnon
Marchand-Point-Jarvis
Hagel-Cirelli-Bennett/Konecny

Toews-Makar
Morrissey-Parayko
Theodore/Sanheim-Doughty

Hill-Binnington-Montembeault

As a hockey fan, I'm very interested to see how that game goes.
usa should imo run away with thing and at least make the final. if they dont then woofa
 
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Curious to see if the Devils end up calling Hatakka up at the end of the break rather than Nemec, especially how Nemec struggled these last two games.

Would give the Devils 3LD and 3RD and allow them to get Hatakka a handful of games while he doesn’t need to pass through waivers for a couple weeks to go back down.
 
Curious to see if the Devils end up calling Hatakka up at the end of the break rather than Nemec, especially how Nemec struggled these last two games.

Would give the Devils 3LD and 3RD and allow them to get Hatakka a handful of games while he doesn’t need to pass through waivers for a couple weeks to go back down.
It was a very small sample size but I was quite impressed with Hatakka. He can play in this league.
 
Depending on how other things play out giving Hamilton's 9m to Luke would make a lot of sense to me. Im not sure how you can fit both but if its possible Im up for it! Issue then is, would we be able to fill some holes or is there no money left?
 
It was a very small sample size but I was quite impressed with Hatakka. He can play in this league.
I agree. I think he’s similar to DeSimone in that he’s a very capable depth option that can give you solid third pairing minutes.

I just think Keefe and Fitzgerald are going to want to get a sample of his game before the deadline to see if they feel he’s the defensive depth you need come playoff time. With him as 4LD and Nemec/Casey as 4/5 RD, Devils may feel that’s enough.
 
For one, we haven’t even seen how the Jiricek trade will play out so we don’t know which team got the better in that trade.

Two, I think Nemec could bring a better return since he’s had more success post draft then Jiricek.

Three, he’s definitely been both underperforming and disappointing. His defense is still an issue and his offense is limited due to his lack of dynamic skating/skill.

He’s still a good prospect but he shouldn’t be seen as this untouchable player due to his draft status in a very weak draft class. Especially when the Devils have plenty of options moving forward on the right side.
Since basic mistakes in structuring and argumentation were made, we will have to explain as much as possible on simple things.

Firstly, Nemec critically did not do anything more against than Jiricek, so that his price would be critically higher.

Nemec was a better defender in D zone than Luke Hughes was last year. This year, he did not have the opportunity to properly demonstrate his qualities and capabilities against the background of injury and competition on the right side. Evaluating his defensive performance after injury, paired with Casey, is not an objective assessment method. Because, paired with Casey, it was Casey, despite his talents in attack, who had obvious problems in D zone. In a recent match against Buffalo, Nemec didn't look any worse in his zone in compare with Luke.

His offensive game is not as impressive as Luke's, but Luke's game is not an objective factor for evaluating all defenders and specifically Nemec, who could play in the NHL only last year as 19yo and overall has other tools.

On all other levels, Nemec performed well offensively, and in general, under the circumstances, he could not have done more at the moment to be a disappointment. At the moment, he was gaining enough points at all levels and showed high-quality play, including a more confident game in the NHL year ago, this is not underperforming. In order to demonstrate overperforming, he needed to have no injury and less competition - he is not in these circumstances.

Now let's move on to the criteria for evaluating an asset and the benefits of selling it. In this case, we have a young player, whose price was roughly indicated to us by Jiricek's trade - maybe a little more, maybe a little less. Selling such a young player at such a price (picks in roiunds 1 and 2 are assets that will or will not turn into something only after a while, they will definitely not turn into a high draft pick) we will compare it with the sale of bitcoin, because unfortunately we have to use such categories. In this case, our "Nemeccoin" was purchased by the team for a high price (second pick OA), and we will sell it at a reduced cost at the very beginning. At one time, bitcoin was worth $30, and someone was selling it for a dollar. Nemec, due to his talents, can grow a lot, because already at the age of 19 he demonstrated the ability to competently play at the NHL level - with childish mistakes but better positionally than Luke, Power and even Edvinsson, who were older year ago(Edvinsson finally started to play regularly only this season and he looks like a player on the level with Luke). Whether Nemec will grow up to be the defender of the second pair or the defender of the first pair, we do not know. But the late picks of the 1st round and the picks of the second round are assets that more often provide an opportunity to purchase a player for rent or draft a player ONLY WITH THE HOPE that he will, at best, become the defender of the second-third pair. Everything else is a great luck.

What you are offering is a deal for a quick sale of an asset with a short gain or a small loss. There is no benefit in this deal in the long run. What the Devils will lose if Nemec doesn't get better can't even come close to what Nemec is likely to become or at best. The benefits that the Devils will gain in the case of this stupid panic trade cannot be compared to the possible benefits that they will sell.
The only possible exception is to trade for a serious top line player in the package, but even in this case, the benefits are not so obvious, because Nemec is likely to grow into a top-4 player, or maybe a top-2 player, but at the moment he is not enough to make an exchange for a top line player, we will have to pay extra with another good asset (Arseniy\Lenny, perhaps the pick of the first round), which in total will represent a possible big loss, as is more often the case in such cases.

Therefore, anyone who is in a hurry to get a hundred bucks, without thinking about the possibility of losing 1,000 bucks, can certainly justify himself by trying to quickly save some asset. But this mindset is suitable for home trading (this is where large companies that provide the market make great money. based on emotions, fears, lack of thinking and banal mathematical literacy), but is not suitable for managing a big club, which includes players with multi-year contracts, who are given long-term tasks. Naturally, Fitzgerald also has a short task - to try to win the Cup now, but for this the Devils have cheaper, less significant, less talented assets. He should keep assets that will bring great benefits over a long distance. If he's a competent manager, of course. If he thinks in terms of quick benefits, then our club has problems.
 

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