Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part III

[NjDevsRR]

Allen can easily handle these next 7 gms. Its why we have him. A veteran who is use to the random backup goalie life. Night and day difference from the days of throwing all of the kids in there the past few seasons

 

[Emperoreddy]

Allen can easily handle these next 7 gms. Its why we have him. A veteran who is use to the random backup goalie life. Night and day difference from the days of throwing all of the kids in there the past few seasons

Yepp, this is why we traded for him. To handle a stretch like this just in case

 

[AfroThunder396]

I don't really care *that* much what Timo does in the regular season, it's all about the playoffs with him.

I don't remember who but someone said that he needs to "play like a bastard" in the playoffs and I couldn't agree more.

 

[TheBeerNerd]

The fact that Marky was better in the postgame gave me hope. Even if he’s ready for the 4 Nations, they’d better not play him.

 

[njdevils1982]

The fact that Marky was better in the postgame gave me hope. Even if he’s ready for the 4 Nations, they’d better not play him.

i'd prefer that none of the guys play in the 4 nonsense tournament

 

[Bcap88]

If anything I think some of you are giving him too much of a curve and too many excuses

He’s third in points at 5 on 5 play

Get zero pp time

All of the sudden he’s supposed to start scoring at a clip that he never has before ? Makes no sense

We get it you are mad at the 8.8 million figure but this is also a market where goalies are getting 11 million dollars.

If he’s playing pp1 he’s probably got another 10 points to his total and everyone would stop bitching about it

 

[TheBeerNerd]

I don't really care *that* much what Timo does in the regular season, it's all about the playoffs with him.

I don't remember who but someone said that he needs to "play like a bastard" in the playoffs and I couldn't agree more.

He definitely has that in him.

 

[onmygameboi]

If he’s playing pp1 he’s probably got another 10 points to his total and everyone would stop bitching about it

Stop bitching? I wouldn't hold my breath ... lol

 

[Triumph]

Also people have just not realized what the salary cap is going to do if the economy stays decent. It is still significantly below where it should be based on present revenues. $8.8M will be around the low end of a 1st line forward salary.

 

[billingtons ghost]

He’s third in points at 5 on 5 play

Get zero pp time

All of the sudden he’s supposed to start scoring at a clip that he never has before ? Makes no sense

We get it you are mad at the 8.8 million figure but this is also a market where goalies are getting 11 million dollars.

If he’s playing pp1 he’s probably got another 10 points to his total and everyone would stop bitching about it

When I looked last night he has 74+ pp minutes as of last night and 6 pts which are about a fifth of his total. But it's not about point production so much as the inconsistent play all over the ice

Last night was one of his best games this season and I hope he can build on it, especially if they force him and Mercer away from Nico and Hughes so that he plays against third liners.

I think his value is lost as a triggerman just sitting and watching the other guys waiting for a dish. He knows he has to manufacture his own goals with Dowling and Mercer and I think that's great for all three of them bc there's going to be rebounds and dirty stuff around the net. And that's really his and Dawgs game. Not floating in space. He could dominate if he wants to in this scenario.

 

[NJDevs26]

He’s third in points at 5 on 5 play

Get zero pp time

All of the sudden he’s supposed to start scoring at a clip that he never has before ? Makes no sense

We get it you are mad at the 8.8 million figure but this is also a market where goalies are getting 11 million dollars.

If he’s playing pp1 he’s probably got another 10 points to his total and everyone would stop bitching about it

Never scored before? Compare his last couple seasons in San Jose to his totals here, it’s just excuses and rationalizations I haven’t seen to this degree since Kovalchuk. And you would think one of ‘three’ coaches would have put him on the top power play by now if he was playing well enough on it.

You guys are really hanging your hat on ‘five on five points’ but points themselves don’t even tell the story…how often can you truly say he was a dominant force who took over a a game since he got here? It’s always but injury, but Lindy, but he’s playing the wrong side, but he doesn’t get PP time, but Shesterkin, etc

 

[Devils Trap]

Never scored before? Compare his last couple seasons in San Jose to his totals here, it’s just excuses and rationalizations I haven’t seen to this degree since Kovalchuk.

You guys are really hanging your hat on ‘five on five points’ but points themselves don’t even tell the story…how often can you truly say he was a dominant force since he got here?

There isnt any excuse, he literally puts up points at a level above Nico Hischier but then gets hate for not putting up enough points because hes PP2.

He has been more then good enough. If you say points dont tell the story - he is 3rd on the team in expected goals, top 4 in points per 60, Corsi is top 4 on the team (above Bratt), top 3 in on ice goals %

He has been more then good., he would probably have 5 more goals and 10 more points had he been PP 1.

 

[Triumph]

Never scored before? Compare his last couple seasons in San Jose to his totals here, it’s just excuses and rationalizations I haven’t seen to this degree since Kovalchuk. And you would think one of ‘three’ coaches would have put him on the top power play by now if he was playing well enough on it.

You guys are really hanging your hat on ‘five on five points’ but points themselves don’t even tell the story…how often can you truly say he was a dominant force since he got here?

Because in San Jose, he was the featured player on the power play. It's extremely simple. The Devils are lucky enough to have a level of PP talent where they don't need Meier on PP1. Ideally you'd like for him to be able to play with Hughes and play on PP1, but it's not the end of the world that he does neither.

I think it's also hard to look dominant on a team with 3 better forwards. He was rolling last year in the 2nd half, but nobody cared because the team wasn't any good.

 

[devilsblood]

People say it's his own play that removed him off PP1, but the ability to have another right handed shot (who happens to be one of the best net mouth guys in all of hockey) in Noesen along with his ability to get those loose pucks is what had him removed. It was almost a perfect storm to have a righty added to that unit and it unlocked them almost instantly.

I still remain someone who puts really no stock in what a guy is making. If a guy commits to be here and wants to be here, I'm cool with him getting paid so long as he's busting his ass for the team. Timo has done that. It's the same reason I don't get bent out of shape about Palat. As a UFA, we knew what we were getting into in signing him for about a year and a million too much. Unfortunately, his game has worn down earlier than expected. But he's not a guy who isn't trying to bring it every time he's out there.

I don't think it had anything to do with handedness. Not as the net front guy. Nor was anyone aware just how good Noesen was around the net.

Meier was pulled because he's not a great PP player. At least not a great net front guy. Not bad per se, and I think Keefe thought his skating and wing play would be more useful on the 2nd unit, and that Noesen should get a run as the net front on PP1.

Now I do think what a guy makes basically represents expectations. A winger of Meier's ilk who makes that much we expect to be a 35+ goal scorer. I think Meier has played well, but playing well while not scoring goals is not what we signed him for.

But he certainly hasn't been bad and I'm more then willing to see if he can be the offensive play driver for that 3rd line. That would be great value added from Timo.

 

[devilsblood]

He’s third in points at 5 on 5 play

Get zero pp time

All of the sudden he’s supposed to start scoring at a clip that he never has before ? Makes no sense

We get it you are mad at the 8.8 million figure but this is also a market where goalies are getting 11 million dollars.

If he’s playing pp1 he’s probably got another 10 points to his total and everyone would stop bitching about it

His 5v5 goal scoring rate is the lowest in his career.

 

[Billdo]

55 points for 8.8 mil is kind of shit though.

Oh I am not disagreeing on that whatsoever, I'm referring to the expectations themselves not the actuality of his play.

 

[Billdo]

People keep saying that we should upgrade on Palat for Jack's wing - that guy should be Timo!

And that's precisely what we all expected or at the very least a great winger for Nico but he just doesn't fit in like a Jack-Bratt, Nico-Bratt duo has.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Timo has been amazing this year, he just can't score. I much rather that than pucks going off his shins and him getting caved constantly. Last year was worse when he was hurt and then he got it going. I wouldn't be surprised if he has an absurd streak here till the 4 Nations tournament or even after like he did last year after Lindymort got fired

 

[Bcap88]

Never scored before? Compare his last couple seasons in San Jose to his totals here, it’s just excuses and rationalizations I haven’t seen to this degree since Kovalchuk. And you would think one of ‘three’ coaches would have put him on the top power play by now if he was playing well enough on it.

You guys are really hanging your hat on ‘five on five points’ but points themselves don’t even tell the story…how often can you truly say he was a dominant force who took over a a game since he got here? It’s always but injury, but Lindy, but he doesn’t get PP time, but Shesterkin

Never scored before? Compare his last couple seasons in San Jose to his totals here, it’s just excuses and rationalizations I haven’t seen to this degree since Kovalchuk. And you would think one of ‘three’ coaches would have put him on the top power play by now if he was playing well enough on it.

You guys are really hanging your hat on ‘five on five points’ but points themselves don’t even tell the story…how often can you truly say he was a dominant force who took over a a game since he got here? It’s always but injury, but Lindy, but he’s playing the wrong side, but he doesn’t get PP time, but Shesterkin, etc

His last couple of seasons in sj he was getting 2 more minutes of ice time a game along with about a minute more of power play time a game as well.

I’m not even going to get into the taking over a game aspect which will then lead back into point production which will then lead back into opportunity (aka toi)

Each of their own I suppose

Timo is floating jn the top 3 of every advanced stat for this team.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Why does there always have to be a whipping boy? Timos quality of play has been very strong. The points are not as much for X reasons.

Now, if he was playing like ass along with the point production dragging then sure, whip away. But that’s literally the opposite of what’s going on.

 

[devilsblood]

There isnt any excuse, he literally puts up points at a level above Nico Hischier but then gets hate for not putting up enough points because hes PP2.

He has been more then good enough. If you say points dont tell the story - he is 3rd on the team in expected goals, top 4 in points per 60, Corsi is top 4 on the team (above Bratt), top 3 in on ice goals %

He has been more then good., he would probably have 5 more goals and 10 more points had he been PP 1.

I went over this last night, but Nico was the goal scorer of that duo. Also the primary assist guy. And oh yeah the high end defensive center and elite faceoff guy.

Timo was leading the charge with secondary assists. Team leader. Which isn't a bad thing, and again, he's not playing poorly, but we need more from him then a support winger.

 

[Satans Hockey]

This would be fantastic but I also don't trust this team with medical stuff so until hes back playing I won't believe it until we see it. It's the same team that said nothing was wrong numerous times or not as bad and then ended up being worse.

 

[devilsblood]

His last couple of seasons in sj he was getting 2 more minutes of ice time a game along with about a minute more of power play time a game as well.

I’m not even going to get into the taking over a game aspect which will then lead back into point production which will then lead back into opportunity (aka toi)

Each of their own I suppose

Timo is floating jn the top 3 of every advanced stat for this team.

.99 g's per 60 and 2.3 pts per 60 5v5 in the 3 seasons from 19-20 to 21-22 in SJ.

.84 and 1.85 the last 2 seasons. in NJ.

The split season was 1.85 with SJ and 1.41 with NJ.

At 5v5 he's producing well below the rate he did in SJ.

 

[Bcap88]

.99 g's per 60 and 2.3 pts per 60 5v5 in the 3 seasons from 19-20 to 21-22 in SJ.

.84 and 1.85 the last 2 seasons. in NJ.

The split season was 1.85 with SJ and 1.41 with NJ.

At 5v5 he's producing well below the rate he did in SJ.

And he’s also getting less ice time than he was in San Jose by a wide margin lol

 

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