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Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part III

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NjDevsRR said:
Its frustrating that Mercer cant cement himself as a top 6 winger. We would be looking better if that happened so a Palat or Noesen can shuffle down the lineup
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I'm starting to think he's just going to be more of a ~40 point third liner long term. Which is still useful, but kind of disappointing given what we saw from him in 2022-23. I hope I'm wrong though and he gets back to that level.
 
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Billdo said:
Hopefully when Haula comes back he's the straw that we need. Not the paper straw he's been.
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The thing is, he'll be 34 in like 2 months. Sometimes guys just lose it around that age. Hope I'm wrong.

Also, sorry if I'm overly pessimistic today. It's just that kind of day, for reasons better not discussed here lol
 
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jkrdevil said:
Tom McVie was only in his mid-50’s when he coached the Devils? He looked a lot older.
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He was only late 40s the first time. I figured he couldn’t have been older than that or it would made him close to 100 by now. Much like Lemaire I don’t think he aged much later in his life after looking old pretty early. I remember he was interviewed on the broadcast about 10 years ago and didn’t look much older than than he did 25 years before that.

Lemaire was the same way. I remember thinking when Lemaire was first hired that he was my grandparents age, despite being about 12-13 years younger than them. I remember not believing Lemaire was actually 12 years younger than Scotty Bowman and being shocked that Scotty Bowman was once his head coach on cup teams for many years.

McVie was the first Devils head coach to serve two tenures as Devils head coach. Larry Robinson would later be head coach two different times and technically three for Lemaire, even though it felt like Lemaire was in jail in between his second and third tenure and John MacLean was our punishment for his crime.

Funny thing is that Lou didn’t even hire McVie his first time and had nothing to do with the organization or the NHL at all in McVie’s first tenure.
 
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devilsfan950003 said:
Tom McVie passed away today. Good coach, got them into the playoffs. Had some of the funniest interviews I've ever seen. Histerical. Tough coach. RIP

https://youtu.be/4QPqNdqDb-s
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I see Fischler was quoted in the piece in thr Devils app. He talked about how McVie was a young g up and comer when Fischler first started covering the game in the preWW1 era.
 
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The reason i'd be hesitant to trade Mercer is because we already lack depth at forward. He is young and makes a reasonable salary of a 4 mill cap hit. He can play RW or C in the top 6 or adds scoring to the 3rd line and still good for 20 goals. Why does he have to be a 30 goal 70 point player to have a role and be useful? I don't get that. Makes no sense to trade Dawson Mercer during a playoff run? I'd rather add scoring and use assets like our plethora of 2nd rounders, our 26 picks or even Casey or Silayev if it is a deal too good to pass on. Why would I trade Nemec and/or Mercer fior a 31 year old? Its not market value for Miller.

JT Miller also makes 8 mill a year. Are wo gonna pay an 8 million dollar player to be on our 3rd line as a center? Salary would have to go the other way and Im not sure it will work.

If I am trading Mercer or Nemec it is for a star in their prime. we do not need JT Miller to go na cup run. And i am not convinced our chances are signifcantly increase if we traded for him. Id rather hold on to both Mrcer and Nemec and trade 2 2nds for Gourde or Frederic. Just examples.

I'd much rather throw a 2nd for Pius Suter. Or look elsewhere in the league for a nice depth piece. Just my 2 cents.
 
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devsfan8 said:
The reason i'd be hesitant to trade Mercer is because we already lack depth at forward. He is young and makes a reasonable salary of a 4 mill cap hit. He can play RW or C in the top 6 or adds scoring to the 3rd line and still good for 20 goals. Why does he have to be a 30 goal 70 point player to have a role and be useful? I don't get that. Whty would we trade Dawson Mercer during a playoff run? I'd rather add scoring and use assets like our plethora of 2nd rounders, our 26 picks or even Casey or Silayev if it is a deal too good to pass on. Why would I trade Nemec and/or Mercer fior a 31 year old? Its not market value for Miller.

JT Miller also makes 8 mill a year. Are wo gonna pay an 8 million dollar player to be on our 3rd line as a center? Salary would have to go the other way and Im not sure it will work.

I'd much rather throw a 2nd for Pius Suter. Or look elsewhere in the league for a nice depth piece. Just my 2 cents.
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He CAN play there but he is not any good there. He hasn't really done anything of note since the 2023 playoff started. He is on pace for like 34 points. That is simply not good enough.

no one is suggesting trading Mercer for a 2nd round pick or something, but I would absolutely look to swap him in a hockey trade or to upgrade at wing. He is a ghost out there 90% of the time. I also think his reputation around the league might actually be better than what he actually is as a player.
 
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Zajacs Bowl Cut said:
He CAN play there but he is not any good there. He hasn't really done anything of note since the 2023 playoff started. He is on pace for like 34 points. That is simply not good enough.

no one is suggesting trading Mercer for a 2nd round pick or something, but I would absolutely look to swap him in a hockey trade or to upgrade at wing. He is a ghost out there 90% of the time. I also think his reputation around the league might actually be better than what he actually is as a player.
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We can hold onto Mercer and add a Gourde, or Evans, or Frederic etc. Mercer has more goals then 4 of our bottom 6 forwards combined. I don't know if Im trading a package of Mercer ad Nemec it better be for Brady Tkachuk. Just me.

Hockey trades like these normally happen in the offseason. As buyers we can trade picks/prospects to upgrade.
 
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devsfan8 said:
We can hold onto Mercer and add a Gourde, or Evans, or Frederic etc. Mercer has more goals then 4 of our bottom 6 forwards combined. I don't know if Im trading a package of Mercer ad Nemec it better be for Brady Tkachuk. Just me.

Hockey trades like these normally happen in the offseason. As buyers we can trade picks/prospects to upgrade.
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oh of course, I agree it isn't something that is likely to happen in season. Our best bet this year is to trade some of those 2nd round picks for a middle six forward or two and see what happens. Then you re-assess in the summer.
 
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