Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part II

[Bleedred]

After all the shit with JT Miller a couple of years ago and it looking like he was getting traded, before he abruptly signed that extension out of nowhere after weeks and weeks or maybe even months of rumors, I'm pretty sure HE is the problem between him and Pettersson.

Apparently he only wants to go to the Rangers.

 

[EXTRAS]

gonna say something and then run away and duck.

JT Miller for Dougie Hamilton, Seamus Casey and a 1st. Dougie would have to waive, which is tough. But..

Meier-Hishier-Noesen
Bratt-Hughes-Palat
Cotter-Miller-Mercer

A lot to love about that 3rd line. Miller preforms in the playoffs and he plays a with an edge. I understand that there've been rifts in the past but he's a pretty f***in unbelievable player.

I remember the Devils adding a guy to put them over the edge who had character concerns, wasn't universally beloved in the locker room, but played like a f***ing deranged asshole. Pretty sure that guy won a Conn Smythe in our jersey.

As a Canucks fan I'd probably do it value-wise. Except I think both Hamilton and casey would be heavily neutered in Vancouver as neither one would get the top line pp where quinn hughes lives. So maybe if we could quickly flip Hamilton to a team that needs a pp qb?

I'd only do it because vancouver feels like a clown show right now. I hope they trade Miller and pettersson. I even heavily prefer Miller to Pete, but tired of the ongoing team silliness. Rebuild a bit, and go at it again with quinn leading.

 

[Nocashstyle]

I know we’re not in the locker room, and I usually hate fan speculation based on hearsay, but I think JT Miller is one of the times you can piece two and two together. The dude is clearly a hot head. On top of giving up the premium assets, why throw someone like him into a locker room that appears to be functioning like a healthy team. He’s not Nathan Mackinnon good to overlook his hot headed attitude.

After all the shit with JT Miller a couple of years ago and it looking like he was getting traded, before he abruptly signed that extension out of nowhere after weeks and weeks or maybe even months of rumors, I'm pretty sure HE is the problem between him and Pettersson.

Apparently he only wants to go to the Rangers.

I almost want it to happen because I can’t imagine throwing him into the middle of a team spiraling will do any long term good either.

 

[theoptimist]

JT Miller produces in the playoffs? Guy has twelve goals in 91 postseason games, Claude had more in one single postseason

Read it wrong. User suggested he preforms, meaning Miller reverts to a human embryo every April.

 

[My3Sons]

I know we’re not in the locker room, and I usually hate fan speculation based on hearsay, but I think JT Miller is one of the times you can piece two and two together. The dude is clearly a hot head. On top of giving up the premium assets, why throw someone like him into a locker room that appears to be functioning like a healthy team. He’s not Nathan Mackinnon good to overlook his hot headed attitude.



I almost want it to happen because I can’t imagine throwing him into the middle of a team spiraling will do any long term good either.

I agree he does not sound like a good fit in NJ. I can only imagine how it would go down the first time he lit up Luke.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

interesting tidbit

 

[EXTRAS]

JT Miller produces in the playoffs? Guy has twelve goals in 91 postseason games, Claude had more in one single postseason

He didn't break out offensively until later in his career when he joined the canucks. In his last 2 playoffs he has 30 points in 30 games.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Haula out at least a few weeks per Keefe

 

[My3Sons]

He didn't break out offensively until later in his career when he joined the canucks. In his last 2 playoffs he has 30 points in 30 games.

That’s fair. I’m skeptical he’s a good fit in thr NJ locker room.

 

[guitarguyvic]

Literally any team playing -13 total goals in xG 5v5 over half a season would have questions about it. Just no way to overcome that kind of shooting luck. A person who is inclined towards thinking about history might think about the 1994 and 1995 Devils teams.

There aren't any questions for me.

Could you elaborate on the bolded? What are you getting at?

 

[MB3]

JT Miller produces in the playoffs? Guy has twelve goals in 91 postseason games, Claude had more in one single postseason

30 points in his last 30 playoff games. 21 are at even strength. Yes, he produces in the playoffs.

JT Miller is 32 years old lol what the hell man

Dougie Hamilton is 31 years old, 'man'. JT Miller makes less money and for fewer years. JT Miller fits a major organizational need. Dougie Hamilton leads a major organizational logjam. You add the 1st to thank the Canucks for taking that contract off of your hands.

Do you have your head buried so far into the sand that you didn't realize JT Miller had 115 points over 81 regular season and 13 playoff games last season? 25 5v5 goals, only 2 Devils since the 2012 lockout (Hall and Jack) have done that.

 

[NJDfan86]

gonna say something and then run away and duck.

JT Miller for Dougie Hamilton, Seamus Casey and a 1st. Dougie would have to waive, which is tough. But..

Meier-Hishier-Noesen
Bratt-Hughes-Palat
Cotter-Miller-Mercer

A lot to love about that 3rd line. Miller preforms in the playoffs and he plays a with an edge. I understand that there've been rifts in the past but he's a pretty f***in unbelievable player.

I remember the Devils adding a guy to put them over the edge who had character concerns, wasn't universally beloved in the locker room, but played like a f***ing deranged asshole. Pretty sure that guy won a Conn Smythe in our jersey.

That is a preposterous overpay, and frankly does nothing too solve the looming cap issues that has prompted everyone to start jettisoning Dougie in the first place.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

30 points in his last 30 playoff games. 21 are at even strength. Yes, he produces in the playoffs.

Dougie Hamilton is 31 years old, 'man'. JT Miller makes less money and for fewer years. JT Miller fits a major organizational need. Dougie Hamilton leads a major organizational logjam. You add the 1st to thank the Canucks for taking that contract off of your hands.

Do you have your head buried so far into the sand that you didn't realize JT Miller had 115 points over 81 regular season and 13 playoff games last season? 25 5v5 goals, only 2 Devils since the 2012 lockout (Hall and Jack) have done that.

okay, great. So why are we then adding in a good prospect and another 1st round pick on top....?

trade makes no sense.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

also, Dougie's contract is for 3 more years after this one and Miller's is for 5 more years after this one, so no, it is not "for fewer years"

 

[Forge]

gonna say something and then run away and duck.

JT Miller for Dougie Hamilton, Seamus Casey and a 1st. Dougie would have to waive, which is tough. But..

Meier-Hishier-Noesen
Bratt-Hughes-Palat
Cotter-Miller-Mercer

A lot to love about that 3rd line. Miller preforms in the playoffs and he plays a with an edge. I understand that there've been rifts in the past but he's a pretty f***in unbelievable player.

I remember the Devils adding a guy to put them over the edge who had character concerns, wasn't universally beloved in the locker room, but played like a f***ing deranged asshole. Pretty sure that guy won a Conn Smythe in our jersey.

 

[Forge]

I'll also note that I'm not even sure how much Vancouver would want Dougie. Kind of losing out on a bunch of Dougie's value if he's not your PP QB and there's no way in hell he's supplanting Quinn from that role.

I kind of just think that if Dougie gets moved, it's going to be for a mediocre roster player + pick type situation. Not sure that it's part of a huge trade. That's why I don't know if he gets moved or not, though I'm sure Fitz will kick it around this off season.

I'm thinking something like Dougie to Anaheim for Ryan Strome + futures. Or to Detroit for Copp + futures. Something like that.

 

[NjDevsRR]

If we were swapping JT and large Douglas a moderate sweetener would be added in. Not a blue chip prospect and a 1st

 

[dgibb10]

If we were swapping JT and large Douglas a moderate sweetener would be added in. Not a blue chip prospect and a 1st

I'd retain down to 8 mill to even up the money. That's about it.

 

[AfroThunder396]

I can't imagine Dougie waiving his NMC to play for a big market Canadian team after how his tenure in Calgary went.

 

[MB3]

That is a preposterous overpay, and frankly does nothing too solve the looming cap issues that has prompted everyone to start jettisoning Dougie in the first place.

Give me JT Miller for 5 more at $8 per over Dougie for 3 more at $9 per any day of the week and twice on sunday. The Devils have plenty of defenseman in the system. They do not have plenty of forwards.

okay, great. So why are we then adding in a good prospect and another 1st round pick on top....?

trade makes no sense.

Because fans on HF aren't the only ones who can see that Dougie is a skilled PP player but 3rd pairing defenseman at this stage of his career and not exactly likely to improve with age.

also, Dougie's contract is for 3 more years after this one and Miller's is for 5 more years after this one, so no, it is not "for fewer years"

Point taken, my quick google search failed me. I saw 2 years left, the reality was 2 years left until a NMC kicks in.

 

[Call Me Al]

i can’t believe this much ink is being spilled on a hypothetical that will never happen and probably shouldn’t

 

[NJDfan86]

Give me JT Miller for 5 more at $8 per over Dougie for 3 more at $9 per any day of the week and twice on sunday. The Devils have plenty of defenseman in the system. They do not have plenty of forwards.

Yea, so how about that future #1 and a high ranking prospect in addition to a very good defenseman who is younger and on a shorter contract?

Sure - in a vacuum I would absolutely trade Dougie for Miller, but who would pay such an insane premium on top of of it?

 

[NJDevs26]

i can’t believe this much ink is being spilled on a hypothetical that will never happen and probably shouldn’t

Were you not here for all the breathless Bratt-Laine or Severson back and forth?

 

[Whaddagoal]

Were you not here for all the breathless Bratt-Laine or Severson back and forth?

Imagine if the team had given up Bratt for Laine?

Worthy of a hanging, in retrospect. Treason, even.

 

[billingtons ghost]

The word "luck" really triggers some people for some reason.

Right. Let the hand waving and rationalization of literally any scenario begin for every player and every situation, except goalies. They are skill only.