Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part II

[Its Always Sundstrom]

I guess the thought is that those people leaving cable will eventually get to the Gotham App where MSG will make more money?

Who is the owner of the Gotham app?


I know we are in a disruption/transition period, and eventually it will smooth over, but watching games should not be getting more difficult.

I’m pretty sure Gotham is just a MSG+ re-brand with the same backend. The same problems that plagued MSG+ are on Gotham now. I get it working but it can take anywhere from a couple of minutes to sometimes 15 min to get it working. Mobile has the same issues where it claims I have no account or some internal error, try back later which usually means not going to work that night.

I also have the ESPN+/Disney+/Hulu package that I would use with my VPN (SurfShark) but now when I turn on the VPN, ESPN gives me an error message and it hasn’t worked once this season. Anyone else having this issue?

 

[Bad Goalie]

LP talk? i'm in

started back in the 90s. most of them were found for a 50 cents or buck or so for years before the prices skyrocketed. i've bought new albums i want which rarely happens these days and never buy reissues that are insane at 40, 50 bucks a pop.

shit, a friend just bought a dylan hits record for 40$ to give his brother in law.

these two were a buck each.

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I bought that King Crimson album ("In The Court Of The Crimson King") in 1969 when it first came out. I played the grooves out of it. LOL

"In The Wake Of Poseidon" followed in 1970 and got the same kind of play on my system.
The band was in flux with original members transitioning out and new members arriving. I
moved on from them after this album though they did release a couple of equally good records as they kept moving on. I have been looking for "Lizard" at the used stores, but haven't located it as of yet.

I've got a similar collection only one rack wider.

During the Napster free file sharing service that allowed you to download anything others had put out there, I went nuts. By the time the threat of law suits was announced I was in like Flint and stopped downloading. I have a lot of albums and single tracks recorded and delete them when I find the albums. That era was crazy while it lasted.

Glad to see another in agreement with me ass to the sound on albums vs. all of the other means that have followed. It is the best way to listen to music. For me it has become the only way since a ton of the stuff from my prime isn't even out there in the other means.

Nice jawing with you.

 

[Billdo]

Welp I'm f***ed and I'm massively annoyed. I hate this. This will ultimately be the end of me watching the Devils. I'm not paying $400 a year for that dog water app, I'm not changing my streaming services to Fubo to watch hockey, and apparently the VPNs are having issues with ESPN+. This is disgraceful and I'm f***ing pissed.

Well I didnt know where else to put this but Optimum has shut of MSG. So unless something happens you wont be able to watch the game tomorrow on Cable.

Looks like I'll be leaving Optimum for cable and exploring my internet options.

The only internet options are illegal streams or FUBO.

 

[Saugus]

That sucks that cable rights bullshit is disrupting local fans' ability to watch the Devils. I'm glad that I'm out of market, so most games are on ESPN+. Even though the quality is often crap, it's better than not having any legal options to watch games.

Also I believe tonight's game is an NHL Network exclusive outside of the local market, so I'll probably be sailing the deep waters right alongside the rest of you.

 

[njdevils1982]

That sucks that cable rights bullshit is disrupting local fans' ability to watch the Devils. I'm glad that I'm out of market, so most games are on ESPN+. Even though the quality is often crap, it's better than not having any legal options to watch games.

Also I believe tonight's game is an NHL Network exclusive outside of the local market, so I'll probably be sailing the deep waters right alongside the rest of you.

ya, watching on JRN (jolly roger network) can be hit or miss with which team's feed you will get and sometimes it's a bit tricky to find a good one but so far every game this season has been broadcast

 

[Devs3cups]

 

[Hockey Sports Fan]

Also I believe tonight's game is an NHL Network exclusive outside of the local market, so I'll probably be sailing the deep waters right alongside the rest of you.

you and me both bud o7

The NHL does this almost every time there’s one game on a day.

 

[Bleedred]

Last night was his first and only regulation loss in the month of December.

And I'm pretty sure he's 9-1-1 since before Allen's 0-4-0 run started.

 

[Billdo]

Does anyone use Gotham Sports app without a cable subscription? It's advertised that you can, I did a subscription through Apple Pay and it doesn't show up. Their customer service doesn't open until 4PM EST because every real business starts their services when everyone else's day is over...

 

[Devs3cups]

Where Luke extension?

 

[Devil X]

Welp I'm f***ed and I'm massively annoyed. I hate this. This will ultimately be the end of me watching the Devils. I'm not paying $400 a year for that dog water app, I'm not changing my streaming services to Fubo to watch hockey, and apparently the VPNs are having issues with ESPN+. This is disgraceful and I'm f***ing pissed.


The only internet options are illegal streams or FUBO.

Direct TV Stream also has MSG Networks.

Also can’t you just pay for Gotham Sports network monthly till the season ends and then cancel until next season?

 

[Billdo]

Direct TV Stream also has MSG Networks.

Also can’t you just pay for Gotham Sports network monthly till the season ends and then cancel until next season?

I'm not changing to Direct TV stream at over $112 a month on top of the internet I already pay for as well. The entire point of cutting the cord when MSG and Xfinity didn't have a deal was to avoid another high priced bill.

I tried doing that and it still asks for a cable provider AND it messed up when I was buying it. I am subscribed for YES only which I don't want or need and then through ApplePay it's subscribed through MSG only which I do want but it won't show up on the Gotham App as having that membership.

 

[JimEIV]

I'm not changing to Direct TV stream at over $112 a month on top of the internet I already pay for as well. The entire point of cutting the cord when MSG and Xfinity didn't have a deal was to avoid another high priced bill.

I tried doing that and it still asks for a cable provider AND it messed up when I was buying it. I am subscribed for YES only which I don't want or need and then through ApplePay it's subscribed through MSG only which I do want but it won't show up on the Gotham App as having that membership.

If you find a good solution please let me know.

Since Comcast/Xfinity dropped MSG I think I've tried everything and it all sucks.

 

[Devil X]

I'm not changing to Direct TV stream at over $112 a month on top of the internet I already pay for as well. The entire point of cutting the cord when MSG and Xfinity didn't have a deal was to avoid another high priced bill.

I tried doing that and it still asks for a cable provider AND it messed up when I was buying it. I am subscribed for YES only which I don't want or need and then through ApplePay it's subscribed through MSG only which I do want but it won't show up on the Gotham App as having that membership.

If you find a good solution please let me know.

Since Comcast/Xfinity dropped MSG I think I've tried everything and it all sucks.

I get not wanting to switch. I got Fubo last night and signed into Gotham Sports with no issue. Everything that was locked after midnight was open to view.

 

[Billdo]

If you find a good solution please let me know.

Since Comcast/Xfinity dropped MSG I think I've tried everything and it all sucks.

Will do. Friend and decided to split the monthly MSG only Gotham subscription. Won't even work, says not subscribed or authorized when it's very clearly subscribed. This platform is a joke and the Devils needed to leave MSG when they had the chance.

I get not wanting to switch. I got Fubo last night and signed into Gotham Sports with no issue. Everything that was locked after midnight was open to view.

Just a heads up that FUBO doesn't have TNT, Tru, or TBS so when playoffs roll around you won't be able to watch games if they're on those networks.

 

[joeskow]

F U to both optimum/altice and msg.. just canceled my optimum service and will resort to other measures to watch..

Got an email from both pointing the finger at each other, now I got a middle finger to point at each of you. My money will be spent else where.

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

Someone needs to sit next game. San Jose has lost plenty of games and are due for a win. If the Devils don't win Saturday it's going to be pretty embarassing as the Sharks already beat them earlier in the year.

Its crazy how in a week we went from the highest of highs to their longest losing streak of the season. Whoever made that thread on the mainboard you are a moron. Any Devils fan with a brain knows it takes alot more than a win over the slumping Rangers to get too excited about...

 

[DerekDevils30]

Let’s examine the bottom 6.

Cotter- He was a frequent healthy scratch in Vegas. On a contending team he shouldn’t be more than a 4th liner.

Haula- Has been a fine 3C for us since he’s been here but is playing like a 4th liner at best right now. Is that what he is at this point? If he’s just a 4th liner that is a big concern. You need someone who can drive play here.

Mercer- I think he’s a fine 3RW but he needs someone to drive play for him to be at his best.

Tatar- Is what he is. Does some nice things but that offensive pop just isn’t there like it was in 22-23 with us. Fine guy to have around but really doesn’t fit the mould of your typical 4th liner.

Lazar- Been fine for us. Can do worse on your 4th line but ideally feels like a good guy to have as your 13th forward.

Bastian- Should be a fine 4th liner. Wish he was meaner though.

Ideally….

x-x-Mercer
Cotter-Haula-Bastian
Tatar
Lazar

I feel we need two solid 3rd line pieces. Easier said than done with our cap situation at the moment. IDEALLY Haula wakes up but it’s not like he’s creating and snakebitten. He’s just not good enough in the 3 hole.

I know some would prefer Tatar as 4LW but the Fitz/Keefe mantra wants that grit in the lineup. Haula as 4C would HOPEFULLY be able to feast on other 4C’s.

Moving forward beyond this season let’s hope Gritsyuk can step right in and be a solid middle 6 guy for us. With a Luke extension likely coming and perhaps a Kovy one as well Fitz will need to trade one of Palat or Hamilton for us to realistically bolster the bottom 6 next season.

 

[CalamityX23]

What provider is left that carries msg? Lol

 

[Mgd31]

Let’s examine the bottom 6.

Cotter- He was a frequent healthy scratch in Vegas. On a contending team he shouldn’t be more than a 4th liner.

Haula- Has been a fine 3C for us since he’s been here but is playing like a 4th liner at best right now. Is that what he is at this point? If he’s just a 4th liner that is a big concern. You need someone who can drive play here.

Mercer- I think he’s a fine 3RW but he needs someone to drive play for him to be at his best.

Tatar- Is what he is. Does some nice things but that offensive pop just isn’t there like it was in 22-23 with us. Fine guy to have around but really doesn’t fit the mould of your typical 4th liner.

Lazar- Been fine for us. Can do worse on your 4th line but ideally feels like a good guy to have as your 13th forward.

Bastian- Should be a fine 4th liner. Wish he was meaner though.

Ideally….

x-x-Mercer
Cotter-Haula-Bastian
Tatar
Lazar

I feel we need two solid 3rd line pieces. Easier said than done with our cap situation at the moment. IDEALLY Haula wakes up but it’s not like he’s creating and snakebitten. He’s just not good enough in the 3 hole.

I know some would prefer Tatar as 4LW but the Fitz/Keefe mantra wants that grit in the lineup. Haula as 4C would HOPEFULLY be able to feast on other 4C’s.

Moving forward beyond this season let’s hope Gritsyuk can step right in and be a solid middle 6 guy for us. With a Luke extension likely coming and perhaps a Kovy one as well Fitz will need to trade one of Palat or Hamilton for us to realistically bolster the bottom 6 next season.

Yea this is basically it. Everybody is a 4th liner or extra forward except Mercer. I think you need 2 additions to create a whole new 3rd like with Mercer.

Someone needs to sit next game. San Jose has lost plenty of games and are due for a win. If the Devils don't win Saturday it's going to be pretty embarassing as the Sharks already beat them earlier in the year.

Its crazy how in a week we went from the highest of highs to their longest losing streak of the season. Whoever made that thread on the mainboard you are a moron. Any Devils fan with a brain knows it takes alot more than a win over the slumping Rangers to get too excited about...

Yup they will be due for a win with a 9 game losing streak coming in lol!

 

[MadDevil]

I don't know if we need 2 3rd liners so much as a legit third option to go with Mercer and Haula. Cotter clearly isn't it, and Tatar seems to have lost his scoring touch and is better suited to the 4th line at this point. Obviously I would love multiple good third liners or even another top 6 guy, but I don't know how feasible that actually is in season.

 

[Devil X]

Will do. Friend and decided to split the monthly MSG only Gotham subscription. Won't even work, says not subscribed or authorized when it's very clearly subscribed. This platform is a joke and the Devils needed to leave MSG when they had the chance.


Just a heads up that FUBO doesn't have TNT, Tru, or TBS so when playoffs roll around you won't be able to watch games if they're on those networks.

Correct but Max has those sports streaming on their app and I have that as well. But it’s a good point. You would need to have Max as well.

 

[Bleedred]

I still think the bottom 6 is revamped next year. Wouldn’t be surprised if there’s only one guy left next year on the current bottom 6.

Make that two with Mercer, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he isn’t in the long term plans.

Cotter will probably be the other, as he’s signed another year for very cheap.

Lazar and Bastian probably walk for raises and/or term elsewhere.

I can’t remember the last 4th liner not named MacDermid we re-signed for more than a one year deal when they were UFA. Both of them will be UFA’s. They’ve been good Devils, but they can probably be replaced for less what they’re gonna get from some team. It’s hard to see them not getting raises or at least some term. I doubt it’s from us.

Haula is probably gone. Has he been unlucky to an extent? Maybe, but it’s hard to see him being a guy we can count on for 3rd line production next year.

I’d bet anything this is Haula’s last season here barring a hot enough second half that he finishes the season close enough to career norms.

He’s still getting a decent amount of shots per game, but it’s not outlandish to think that it’s finally over for him. And I’m not sure if it’s a false alarm this time like it was in 2022-2023.

 

[forceten]

Let’s examine the bottom 6.

...

Ideally….

x-x-Mercer
Cotter-Haula-Bastian
Tatar
Lazar

I feel we need two solid 3rd line pieces. Easier said than done with our cap situation at the moment. IDEALLY Haula wakes up but it’s not like he’s creating and snakebitten. He’s just not good enough in the 3 hole.

I know some would prefer Tatar as 4LW but the Fitz/Keefe mantra wants that grit in the lineup. Haula as 4C would HOPEFULLY be able to feast on other 4C’s.

Moving forward beyond this season let’s hope Gritsyuk can step right in and be a solid middle 6 guy for us. With a Luke extension likely coming and perhaps a Kovy one as well Fitz will need to trade one of Palat or Hamilton for us to realistically bolster the bottom 6 next season.

Yeah I agree with this except I think Cotter-Lazar-Bastian is a fine fourth line. I think Mercer is actually fine on the 3RW.

So it's Haula, Tatar that need upgrading.

Gritsyuk can come in next year and I'm not sure what is with Beckman - he is scoring well on a terrible team in Utica but I hear his defense isn't there.

Not sure who else is ready to step in. Hardman, Halonen are 4th line at best I think.

 

[britdevil]

I don't know if we need 2 3rd liners so much as a legit third option to go with Mercer and Haula. Cotter clearly isn't it, and Tatar seems to have lost his scoring touch and is better suited to the 4th line at this point. Obviously I would love multiple good third liners or even another top 6 guy, but I don't know how feasible that actually is in season.

I think the need is a true 3rd line centre.

I like Haula, but maybe the assignment is just too much for him to handle. Moving him to wing after trading for a centre allows us to move Cotter to where he really belongs.

I'd really love to grab another top 6 wing, I just can't see it. Not much cap space to play with.