Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part II

NJDevs26

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That team lost two of its star players in the same offseason (and the players insinuated they were ready to move on from the city). I think most GMs in that situation would play hard to get.
So they'll either do what they did with Thachuk and trade him for the best win-now junk they can get once he becomes an expiring deal or just lose him for total zero like Gaudreau. A perfect strategy for continuing to run in place before you go backwards.
 

AfroThunder396

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As much as I think there is probably a 50/50 chance McLeod gets proven guilty, I don't think it would be a bad idea if he plays until that happens. As of right now he is innocent. There are charges against him but he is innocent right now by law. If he can help this hockey club win games (The season went to sh*t last year as soon as he left the team) I don't think you can get mad if the Devils sign him while they await a trial.

If he gets proven guilty, then GTFO - see ya. Contract terminated.
I would certainly get mad if the Devils signed McLeod and played him before his trial.
 

Call Me Al

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As much as I think there is probably a 50/50 chance McLeod gets proven guilty, I don't think it would be a bad idea if he plays until that happens. As of right now he is innocent. There are charges against him but he is innocent right now by law. If he can help this hockey club win games (The season went to sh*t last year as soon as he left the team) I don't think you can get mad if the Devils sign him while they await a trial.

If he gets proven guilty, then GTFO - see ya. Contract terminated.

i can think of at least 3 women in my family off the top of my head who would stop being devils fans if they put this guy on the ice and wanted us to cheer for him.

i’d say it’s a better than 50% chance the other players basically pin it on mcleod since he was apparently at the center of it all anyway. he won’t be playing in the nhl again.

some things are more important than winning hockey games, good riddance to this f***head
 

dgibb10

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McLeod was very very good at hockey for us last year.

We 100% need to replace what he brought on the ice.

But holy shit there is 0 chance you sign him to a contract ever again.

Ryan McLeod tho I can 100% get behind bringing in at the right price
 

Satans Hockey

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How will this work if the Devils technically open next season Oct 4 & 5 in Prague?

By all accounts those seem to be regular season games, so maybe the Devils main roster ships out after the Rangers game on the 30th?

Who is going to be left behind to play that Oct 3rd game against the Flyers?

Damn, I was hoping to have less home preseason games considering they are starting the season in Prague.
 

Stephen Gionta

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I am absolutely SHOCKED you hold this opinion, let me tell you!

Why is that?

utah offers 6 for 10 and holtz, do we do it?

100% yes.

McLeod was very very good at hockey for us last year.

We 100% need to replace what he brought on the ice.

But holy shit there is 0 chance you sign him to a contract ever again.

Ryan McLeod tho I can 100% get behind bringing in at the right price

Even if he is proven innocent in the trial?
 

glenwo2

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As much as I think there is probably a 50/50 chance McLeod gets proven guilty, I don't think it would be a bad idea if he plays until that happens. As of right now he is innocent. There are charges against him but he is innocent right now by law. If he can help this hockey club win games (The season went to sh*t last year as soon as he left the team) I don't think you can get mad if the Devils sign him while they await a trial.

If he gets proven guilty, then GTFO - see ya. Contract terminated.
ah so you're going to be "that guy", I see. :popcorn:

The chances of Mike being back on the Devils is equal to the chances of the Sun exploding tomorrow.

It's not happening.

It would be a PR nightmare to say the least.
 

Edmonton East

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Good grief. Good to see it's 2024 and we still blindly assume any male athlete accused is unequivocally 100% guilty. Matt Araiza never happened. Trevor Bauer never happened. Hey, look, that's two prominent examples in just the past few years, yet some folks still seem incapable of thinking pragmatically. Nevermind a decade+ of even crazier cases, including infamous Duke Lacrosse.

It isn't some heroic stance to say he shouldn't play again and should be locked away forever if he raped this girl. DUHHHHH. Everyone agrees with that. However, with what's been made public about the case, idk how anyone could have a definitive opinion yet. The accusations could be true. Or, it could instead be true that this woman willingly engaged with multiple guys, then regretted it and/or made up this narrative to protect her image with parents or whoever. Or, gasp, even wanted money. So tired of people pretending this type of stuff never happens.

All reports say the stepfather informed Hockey Canada. Then, Hockey Canada informed authorities. What father in this situation would inform Hockey Canada and not the authorities??? Not saying this impacts guilt one way or the other, but I thought it was bizarre.

Now, obviously he won't play in the league until the trial is complete. Teams aren't going to risk massive reputational damage (and distraction) for a bottom 6 player that could be found guilty in the near future.
 

bossram

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Is there a chance the second charge is for being the guy who thought there would be pizza, but when saw something other than pizza he didn't seem to leave the room with any urgency or do anything to stop what was happening?

I get he's charged with two and it is very likely for the worse reason, but not knowing the laws up there, is it possible they gave the one charge and this one on top because they know more then they let on about the details and they want something to stick on him if the big one doesn't? Basically, if we can't get you on technically being a part of the act, we will 100% get you on being a willing accomplice.
The reports are that one person essentially "coordinated" other guys to come to the room, and it's speculated that this second charge against Mcleod was because he was that person.
 

bossram

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As much as I think there is probably a 50/50 chance McLeod gets proven guilty, I don't think it would be a bad idea if he plays until that happens. As of right now he is innocent. There are charges against him but he is innocent right now by law. If he can help this hockey club win games (The season went to sh*t last year as soon as he left the team) I don't think you can get mad if the Devils sign him while they await a trial.

If he gets proven guilty, then GTFO - see ya. Contract terminated.
No. Just no.

In today's climate, no organization wants this PR nightmare (let alone the moral qualms about employing someone who clearly was in some kind of sexually inappropriate activity). If he were to be convicted, the Devils would be seen essentially as sexual assault apologists.
 

Goptor

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If the Devils brought McLeod back off leave they might as well have hired Joel Quenneville or Mike Babcock this offseason and gone full heel. Might as well bring in Carter Hart while we're at it, we still need a goalie!

No, its not the same.
Those guys are going through legal process and will, by the time they get out, have been properly punished by Canadian law.

Quenneville avoided any legal responsibility for what he did. All we know is he did something wrong but the league/Blackhawks have kept that information hidden.

Babcock didn't even do anything legally wrong. He's just a jerk and some people don't like him.


I know i'm in the minority, but with that case going to trial, I don't have any opinion on it. The people involved in the trial will have far more information on the subject than me an I trust they will find an appropriate punishment. I won't mind bringing any of them to the team because they will have already been properly punished.
 
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TrufleShufle

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The reports are that one person essentially "coordinated" other guys to come to the room, and it's speculated that this second charge against Mcleod was because he was that person.
Yea I knew that is what was originally speculated and most likely the case, but was asking if it was possible that it was actually the other way. The "party to" language made me wonder that.

Grand scheme, doesn't really matter, when this is all said and done, if it happened the way its been reported, anyone who was a part of it in any way is done. Whether you organized it or were told there was pizza and stayed wayyyyy past the point it would take to realize there is in fact no pizza.
 

bossram

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Yea I knew that is what was originally speculated and most likely the case, but was asking if it was possible that it was actually the other way. The "party to" language made me wonder that.

Grand scheme, doesn't really matter, when this is all said and done, if it happened the way its been reported, anyone who was a part of it in any way is done. Whether you organized it or were told there was pizza and stayed wayyyyy past the point it would take to realize there is in fact no pizza.
Given MM was the only guy to get tagged with a second charge, I think a reasonable assumption is that the Crown do believe he was the "coordinator". If anyone's going to get convicted, MM is the most likely.

The suggestion that the Devils should bring him back until/unless he is convicted is ridiculous.
 

TrufleShufle

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Given MM was the only guy to get tagged with a second charge, I think a reasonable assumption is that the Crown do believe he was the "coordinator". If anyone's going to get convicted, MM is the most likely.

The suggestion that the Devils should bring him back until/unless he is convicted is ridiculous.
I think you are jumping over what I'm saying. And I hope that second line wasn't directed at me.
 

bossram

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I think you are jumping over what I'm saying. And I hope that second line wasn't directed at me.
No it's not. But there are a couple other posters in this thread saying that.

I'm not jumping over what you're saying. I'm saying the likeliest explanation is that he was the "coordinator", given he got the second charge, and not that he randomly showed up in promise of pizza.
 
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