Captain3rdLine
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I do think he was intended to mostly be a top 6 player for us. Spent a lot of time in Tampa’s top 6 alongside their top players.
Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part II
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Guadana
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They’ll have to move salary out to keep Stamkos, but there’s a good chance he walks and that will solve the problem.
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I think we are finally going to get that stammer / Detroit pairing after all these years
Zacha grades out pretty poorly I'm pretty sure he ranks near the bottom of boston forwards in terms of xGoals% in each of the last 2 years
theoptimist
Trade Siegenthaler
We do have lines because whatever lines Nico and Jack are not centering are your bottom 6 forwards (and is probably like that across the league). We know when both Nico and Jack are the lineup, the team performs much better. If one goes down with injury, who are you replacing them with temporarily and what are the implications further down the lineup? I’m good on Lazar/Nosek playing 3C (Haula moved to 2C in this scenario).
Palat-Haula-Mercer could be a great third line, but we’d have a top 6 LW spot to fill if Palat is not playing there. We’d look to trade/sign a player to fill that spot which adds to the salary cap (unless you think a rookie can jump in and play those meaningful minutes). I’d rather bump Palat up and maximize his potential there, and fill the 3LW with a 3-4M player. This is why contracts matter and impact your roster construction. Having Palat and DeBrusk at $6M each (both complementary players) is redundant and bad use of cap space when there are needs at the center and defense position.
Palat-Haula-Mercer could be a great third line, but we’d have a top 6 LW spot to fill if Palat is not playing there. We’d look to trade/sign a player to fill that spot which adds to the salary cap (unless you think a rookie can jump in and play those meaningful minutes). I’d rather bump Palat up and maximize his potential there, and fill the 3LW with a 3-4M player. This is why contracts matter and impact your roster construction. Having Palat and DeBrusk at $6M each (both complementary players) is redundant and bad use of cap space when there are needs at the center and defense position.
Zajacs Bowl Cut
Lets Go Baby
I just showed you that the Devils #3 forward and #9 forward essentially had the same ATOI last year. Now, I haven't researched other teams, but I would imagine its similar around the league as far as a "top 9" and "4th line" goes.
I want the best players possible. I don't want a "lesser player" just because he might be $1-2 million cheaper. I don't really care about the salary cap.
Then why go for Debrusk? Get guentzel who is Actually Good. Or duchene or marchessault or teravainen or Skjei who are difference makers on the ice.
yeah they’re older, but they’re significantly better players. If you’re gonna pay a guy 6M he should be worth it. Debrusk is just younger Palat.
theoptimist
Trade Siegenthaler
And we didn't make the playoffs. Would be interesting to understand this league wide.
None Shall Pass
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I just checked using your parameters on the last 4 teams in the playoffs. From #3 to #9:
Florida: 1 minute 10 seconds difference per game
Edmonton: About 3 minutes 45 seconds difference per game
Dallas: 1 minute 16 seconds per game
Rangers: 3 minutes 11 seconds per game
I think the Devils were doing it wrong last year.
Zajacs Bowl Cut
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I mean sure yeah I'd take most of those guys you mentioned?
I just don't agree with that last part whatsoever.
Interesting...I wonder how that differs from #4 to #9
None Shall Pass
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Did all the playoff teams. The only one out of 16 who had a sub-1 minute difference the 3rd and 9th forward (Like us) is the Bruins, who (like us) also used 22 different forwards throughout the year. I can't speak to them, but with us, we lost Jack, Timo, and Nico at various points for decent time frames, as well as losing McLeod and Toffoli for good, elevating the TOI for 3rd and 4th liners.
I'd imagine in a healthier year our #3 TOI forward (Likely a Bratt or Nico) has much more TOI than a 3rd line wing.
I'd imagine in a healthier year our #3 TOI forward (Likely a Bratt or Nico) has much more TOI than a 3rd line wing.
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I have no idea who you’re describing but it certainly isn’t Debrusk. He’s one of the best selling jerseys in Boston. He’s beloved lol.
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I like Debrusk but I think there's a good chance he gets more than 6 if he hits UFA. I think Fitz looks elsewhere if he asks for 7.
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Tfp so blah
glenwo2
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John Gibson f***ing sucks
He's a cyanide pill for Fitz. Acquiring him would just be throwing your hands up and saying I give up, fire the f*** out of me. Even the guys who run our goaltending department have to know better than that.
We can't afford to have him clogging up our books for 3 more years, even if they retain a good amount of it.
John Gibson isn't any good. Annually his backups play at least as well, if not marginally better than him. Albeit in fewer games.
This year I think Dostal actually played one or two more games than him, and performed a little bit better while playing that much of a workload.
So if John Gibson is sooooo good, then what the f*** is Dostal? ELITE?!
He's a cyanide pill for Fitz. Acquiring him would just be throwing your hands up and saying I give up, fire the f*** out of me. Even the guys who run our goaltending department have to know better than that.
We can't afford to have him clogging up our books for 3 more years, even if they retain a good amount of it.
John Gibson isn't any good. Annually his backups play at least as well, if not marginally better than him. Albeit in fewer games.
This year I think Dostal actually played one or two more games than him, and performed a little bit better while playing that much of a workload.
So if John Gibson is sooooo good, then what the f*** is Dostal? ELITE?!
Guadana
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I believe its typical lazy rumor. Gibson has mostly negative value with his salary. May be someone will ready to take him for minor compensation, but overall he is below average goalie now.
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It's crazy that Gibson has maintained his rep over the years.
That said, wouldn't surprise me if Gibson is the end result of a sticking hard to your guns. If Fitz has a price tag he won't deviate from to acquire a goalie, wouldn't surprise me if Gibson is the only one that he can get in that range (obviously depends on what price point Fitz is willing to tolerate)
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No link to McDavid? Interesting...
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I’d rather run it back with the Kahkonen/Allen tandem in that case.
Gibson probably isn’t even better than either of those guys.
I don’t see much of a difference in the three, other than is a gigantic has-been with that reputation, as you said. As well as being paid a whole lot more and having a longer contract length.
Zippy316
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How will this work if the Devils technically open next season Oct 4 & 5 in Prague?
By all accounts those seem to be regular season games, so maybe the Devils main roster ships out after the Rangers game on the 30th?
Who is going to be left behind to play that Oct 3rd game against the Flyers?
