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BUT the ADvaNCEd STatS....fire Fitz
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Let's keep stating obvious things like some players need/deserve a NMC. Duh. However, it should be common sense that when you "hand them out like candy", including to depth/aging players, you drastically limit your roster flexibility if things go sideways. Spare me the NMC knocks a mil or 2 off the cap hit. BS. Palat, Kovacevic, and Haula got full NMCs for the majority of their contracts. Do tell what discount the Devs got on any of those players. I'll wait. Seems more like either players need to be dragged to play in NJ or Fitz, as an ex player, is giving players what he would want in their shoes.
As for solid players like Hamilton and Pesce, sure, NMC might be needed. However, Devs definitely didn't get a discount on either one. And the 10 team trade list is absurd for Hamilton (downright malpractice for Palat). When you are talking big cap hits, that's effectively a full NMC for the duration if your team is competitive.
Good and competitive GMs do not hand out several majority term NMCs to (older) depth players. End of story. You know you guys could actually look this up yourselves, right? The Devs have a relatively absurd amount of restrictive clauses on players that don't f'n move the needle. But go on, tell me it won't be and isn't a problem just like some of ya same folks did when Palat signed his restrictive contract. No biggie.
Devs full NMC or pseudo NMC due to restrictions this past season: Palat, Hamilton (I can understand to a degree), Haula (finally drops to 6 this offseason), Pesce, Meier, Bratt (idc), Markstrom (idc), Allen? (gone), and now Kovacevic.
Panthers for comparison: hysterically have less NMCs, including none to depth players...because they aren't morons. Even Reinhart is a 16 teamer right now, so is Bob. Jones at $7 through age 34 is minimal risk. Forsling through 32 at $5.7 is solid too. This maintains flexibility in the cap era.
Bottom line: Fitz' stupid overuse of NMCs or heavily restricted contracts literally just screwed the Devils this past season. It's why they had ZERO forward depth. They couldn't move Palat and Haula. Yet some of you wanna pretend this isn't an issue (and Fitz just did it again with Kovy). Alrighty.
As for solid players like Hamilton and Pesce, sure, NMC might be needed. However, Devs definitely didn't get a discount on either one. And the 10 team trade list is absurd for Hamilton (downright malpractice for Palat). When you are talking big cap hits, that's effectively a full NMC for the duration if your team is competitive.
Good and competitive GMs do not hand out several majority term NMCs to (older) depth players. End of story. You know you guys could actually look this up yourselves, right? The Devs have a relatively absurd amount of restrictive clauses on players that don't f'n move the needle. But go on, tell me it won't be and isn't a problem just like some of ya same folks did when Palat signed his restrictive contract. No biggie.
Devs full NMC or pseudo NMC due to restrictions this past season: Palat, Hamilton (I can understand to a degree), Haula (finally drops to 6 this offseason), Pesce, Meier, Bratt (idc), Markstrom (idc), Allen? (gone), and now Kovacevic.
Panthers for comparison: hysterically have less NMCs, including none to depth players...because they aren't morons. Even Reinhart is a 16 teamer right now, so is Bob. Jones at $7 through age 34 is minimal risk. Forsling through 32 at $5.7 is solid too. This maintains flexibility in the cap era.
Bottom line: Fitz' stupid overuse of NMCs or heavily restricted contracts literally just screwed the Devils this past season. It's why they had ZERO forward depth. They couldn't move Palat and Haula. Yet some of you wanna pretend this isn't an issue (and Fitz just did it again with Kovy). Alrighty.
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Where is Luke? Is he safe? Is he alright?
In your anger, you killed his shoulder
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Cheddabombs
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VoidCreature
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Quinn wearing an NY hat, confirmation he's signing with the Rangers at the first opportunity.
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Palat was not a ‘depth’ player when he was a free agent. Kovacevic and Haula I agree those deals were bad but Kovacevic was mostly bad cause it was premature before we saw him without Siegs being his flotation device and Fitz boxed himself in on D panicking over Nemec’s off year. Haula was just bad since it was a year too long but his NTC wasn’t exactly prohibitive since it was unlikely he was getting traded last offseason anyway.
You don’t see discounts on those deals because teams aren’t giving out many long term deals to big FA’s without them.
You don’t see discounts on those deals because teams aren’t giving out many long term deals to big FA’s without them.
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Cheddabombs
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I know it's early in the offseason but I have to do it. Was browsing hockeydb, as one does, and man... that 2014 draft may be the single biggest piece of shit I've ever seen. 6 picks, almost a full draft's worth, and a total of 46 NHL games combined between those picks. Marian Studenic alone has as many NHL games as that draft.
And now we wait
And now we wait
Emperoreddy
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If they want Haula gone, he will be gone. His final year is very movable.
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That 95 cup win saved them. Nashville got their team not long after that. Just not our Devils!
devilsfan950003
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I would have brought Tatar back for league minimum. Only for the 4th line though.
You have no idea what players cost.
When Palat signed here, the Devils were coming off finishing out of the playoffs for the 4th straight year, not even coming close to doing so.
If you think a player of Palat's caliber signs without an NMC, you're delusional.
The Devils got a discount on Kovacevic but you continue to not believe this. Ditto Haula, but again, you don't know what players cost.
It's not. It's only that in the world where players stack up their list with teams they think would never trade for them. That's a pretty big gamble to make - some guys do that. Guys have been burned trying that sort of stuff.
I don't think it will be a problem. The clauses are a suggestion. Rarely when a team makes it clear that they don't want a player do they not move.
You left out Dumoulin. You do notice that 3 Devils were traded here from NTCs, right?
Jones represents minimal risk, sure thing.
Bob couldn't've moved for free up until last year.
Florida's depth players are younger, which is what you are reacting to, by and large. Would it be nice to sign guys without NTCs, yeah, does it seem like the majority of teams give them out, also yes.
You're living in a fantasy world if you think Palat A: signs without some sort of clause and B: is movable in season without one. Fitzgerald should've been more active with waivers, but wholesale remaking the forward group in season is usually very difficult. I don't really understand in what world a playoff team trying to trade veteran depth guys are successful in doing so, but sure, it was the clauses that kept Palat and Haula on the team.
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Did I miss something relating to selling the team?So we're moving back to Kansas City, I see.
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The funny thing is that they outperformed expectations from their draft.
Nobody ever expected Jacobs or Baddock to touch NHL ice but there they are with 3 and 1 games played, respectively.
Devils731
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But now we’ve gotten to see Kovacevic play more without Siegenthaler and I feel like the Devils got him for at least fair market value or for a discount.
I think there is definitely a world where he gets $5.5 or $6 million if he’s a UFA this offseason; there is just that much money floating around.
So we are saying it’s bad because it was premature but the flip side is that it was shrewd because Fitz correctly bought early; at least that’s how it looks now. Fitz took the gamble and right now it looks good.
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Neither Nemec or Casey is going to take over the role that Kovacevic plays so it makes sense to keep him. Its actually an indication that they plan to trade Hamilton.
But this is Fitz we're talking about and he may not have done the signing with long term planning involved.
BurntToast
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I know Keefe and Fitz were a little smug about blaming injuries for the Devils struggles. They went as far as to use Dallas as a prime example for overcoming injuries. Looks likes hindsight is kicking ass again.
Long story short, it’s nearly impossible to overcome injuries for long periods. It’s team chemistry. It trying to get guys back into the lineup (who aren’t in game shape or 100%). It’s the players forced to play above their limits (some times for long stretches). Dallas looks gassed. and with the Cats injuries this is probably the Oilers revenge tour.
Long story short, it’s nearly impossible to overcome injuries for long periods. It’s team chemistry. It trying to get guys back into the lineup (who aren’t in game shape or 100%). It’s the players forced to play above their limits (some times for long stretches). Dallas looks gassed. and with the Cats injuries this is probably the Oilers revenge tour.
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Guadana
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Head & ... weak shoulders.
Devils731
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I think Carolina may be a better example as they subtly blamed being down 1-2 defenseman as an effectively insurmountable obstacle.
Then we look at the Devils who were down 3-6 defenseman, depending on how we measure, and a top forward and it makes sense why the playoff struggle was so hard.
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Bill Zito gave Carter Verhaege a NMC not even a year ago lol as mentioned, Bob wasn't even able to be moved a few years ago because of his clauses
why do people just invent their own history?
why do people just invent their own history?
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Because it's easier to change reality than change someone's opinions, no matter how stupid.
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