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Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason edition

Yes that is how futures works. They have risk associated. Whether knight works out or not from now on does not change his value at the time of the trade, which was Chicago getting someone they planned to be their starting goalie of the future

Knight probably has some of the most asymmetrical value in the league, both being a goalie, having missed a season for non-hockey reasons, and being signed to a deal fitting of a 1B goalie when he has yet to establish himself as that. Most teams would not take Spencer Knight on waivers. A team like Chicago who has to do work to hit the salary floor and would love a young goalie, that's no trouble.
 
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Mercer led the forwards in PK minutes for the number 2 ranked PK in the league.

You're right. I mean, if they trade Mercer and Dougie, who would every play the positions? Maybe this would be a problem if the Devils dumped both those players, signed Bob and Phil from the stands, and used the savings on a few new Bugattis, but something tells me they will actually upgrade two pieces on the 3rd line, and maybe, just maybe, one of the two will actually play on the PK. I've seen stranger things happen.
 
I said it a few times but with the Kovy situation, I doubt they are going dump Dougie and run with Pesce, Nemec and Casey. Nemec had a nice little run at the end there but is it enough and they clearly don't trust Casey defensively. If Nemec shits the bed and or Casey continues to struggle and has to be sheltered it could be a total disaster.
 
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You're right. I mean, if they trade Mercer and Dougie, who would every play the positions? Maybe this would be a problem if the Devils dumped both those players, signed Bob and Phil from the stands, and used the savings on a few new Bugattis, but something tells me they will actually upgrade two pieces on the 3rd line, and maybe, just maybe, one of the two will actually play on the PK. I've seen stranger things happen.
The idea that the number 1 dman and number 1 forward on top 2 special teams units are things you can just easily find and replace is again an insane type of arrogance.

"meh just find a random 3rd liner to PK"

"meh just have Simon Nemec he'll basically be the same on PP2"
 
everyone thought Seth Jones was a negative contract too and he actually brought back a really good return.

You have to remember that there are a lot of stupid GMs in the NHL.
Said very stupid GM has just brought his team to a Stanley Cup and they are still in contention for a second one in a row, so I wouldn’t judge too quickly.
 
I said it a few times but with the Kovy situation, I doubt they are going dump Dougie and run with Pesce, Nemec and Casey. Nemec had a nice little run at the end there but is it enough and they clearly don't trust Casey defensively. If Nemec shits the bed and or Casey continues to struggle and has to be sheltered it could be a total disaster.

Then they can sign a 7th D who's right-handed and play him. Keeping a $9M D for this scenario makes no sense.
 
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Huh? That's literally how the entire world, and every trade works. You trade value for value. If Mercer had no value, you could never move him if the trade just included him. Even if he made $10M a year, had a couple years left on his contract, and produced 40 points for that, a team could potentially trade him to a team below the cap if they included some high picks because the picks have value.

Trades aren't made in a vacuum, and too many people treat them as they do.

The question is not whether Mercer has value, it's whether trading Mercer and making other moves makes the team better aka provides more value.

The reason he may have value to other teams is the same reason he has value to this team. He's durable, a solid 3rd liner who can play top 6 in emergency, and is not too expensive. Oh, and also young.

Let's say they can somehow get someone better than him (and most likely will be a lot older, and on a short conrtact), and assuming they are at about same salary, how do you plan to replace the guy in 2 years. This team literally has no promising prospects to step in. On top of that, they have no depth whatsoever. If they had solid depth and needed a bit more oomph, sure you can look at trading Mercer. But not in the situation they are currently in.

I've yet to see a reasonable proposal involving him. People just want to get rid of this guy for some reason.
 
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I’m just going to say it because I just spent about 3 hours reading up on the Hockey Canada scandal trial. Please go back and read all that was testified under threat of perjury from the last 2 weeks.
 
The reason he may have value to other teams is the same reason he has value to this team. He's durable, a solid 3rd liner who can play top 6 in emergency, and is not too expensive. Oh, and also young.

Let's say they can somehow get someone better than him (and most likely will be a lot older, and on a short conrtact), and assuming they are at about same salary, how do you plan to replace the guy in 2 years. This team literally has no promising prospects to step in. On top of that, they have no depth whatsoever. If they had solid depth and needed a bit more oomph, sure you can look at trading Mercer. But not in the situation they are currently in.

I've yet to see a reasonable proposal involving him. People just want to get rid of this guy for some reason.

I think I'm being boxed in to wanting to move Mercer. He's last on my list of people I want to move before you get to our better performing core that I wouldn't move. I would love to move Dillon before him but Fitz handed him a stupid no movement clause, so that's that. But putting that aside, my list from the guy I'd like to see traded most first looks like this:

Dougie
Palat
Haula
Mercer

I don't think this list is shocking. In fact, I think it's on par with what a lot of people feel.

Mercer is only going if we can significantly improve our 3rd line and we need to space to bring the upgrade in. Other than that, I'm fine with him being on the team because a really good 3C may help him squeeze out some more points. 50 points, a bit smarter hockey and I'm fine. 33 points, followed up by 36 doesn't exactly make me feel like he has to be here. Now maybe he gets better next year. Who knows, but he's definitely not someone I have to hold onto because of a hypothetical a couple of years from now.

Palat would be #1 but I don't want to retain to make the trade being he is a F and IMO, Dougie would still need to go to make significant upgrades to our F group.
 
Finally I think I am back, Maine Fan. I have been frustrated with this forum. But I am here unless there is a new Devils Forum as a result of the screw up of this forum, if so, please let me know.

Nothing has changed and you have g missed anything. We still argue about the same nonsense. Hope all is well.
 
I would despise the Canes winning the cup. The only good that comes from them winning the cup, it validates that the Devils are not as bad as we think.

I would argue a beat up Devils team, played better than the Caps.

(I am rooting for Dallas)
i do think we put up a better fight than the caps, we actually had the better of carolina at even strength we just couldn’t score and our special teams were god awful.

what’s frustrating is that if we just kept up our special teams strengths from the regular season and/or didn’t get cursed with 9 separate misfortunes like homer’s softball team we probably could have taken the caps too
 
Generally agree but every year I see trades that make me say "I can't believe they moved that guy and his contract"

We should be be one of those teams
Fair but I’m not sure you can actually count on that just because it happens with some guys. There’s a lot of overpaid contracts that teams can’t get out of easily.
 

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