Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - draft and FA edition

[PizzaAndPucks]

Ddepending on how he looks in camp. Hameenaho and Gritsyuk in our top 9 can be a real possibility at some point this year. I just don't see it happening to start the season. I think the Devils & Gritsyuk are going to do everything possible to keep him out of the AHL. Hameenaho is more likely to start there and probably play there most of the year.

 

[thebeernerd]

Burakovsky:
30 years old
2 years remaining
5.5M cap hit

Palat:
34 years old
2 years remaining
6M cap hit

This might not be as difficult as people think. SEA moved the whole contract for free with no retention and got an asset back.

I’m telling you. NHL GMs are idiots. They can find a sucker for Palat easily.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

That’s fair, I know he’s solid defensively but as a person who doesn’t catch too many Devils games he’s a player that tends to be less noticeable (in a good way).

I know he’s more valuable than Colton, just wasn’t sure how much. Appreciate the insight and perspective.

Seigs has a contract we can't afford to let go. He's not a world beater and has shown he can both be great and have extended periods of mediocre play. But he's on a super team friendly deal and is a very solid defensive D man. We are too close to the cap to let players like that go, even if I'd welcome Colton to the team.

 

[Forge]

Would Devils fans consider a trade base of Colton for Siegenthaler?

Definitely not. I'd give up picks for Colton

 

[Forge]

Burakovsky:
30 years old
2 years remaining
5.5M cap hit

Palat:
34 years old
2 years remaining
6M cap hit

This might not be as difficult as people think. SEA moved the whole contract for free with no retention and got an asset back.

Burakovsky is younger, cheaper and a better producer (been missing a ton of time though) and could only block a trade to 10 teams, less than half what palat can block

 

[MasterofGrond]

you are one year late, cause most here would have give it a go lol

Not me, baby.

Siegs truther since day 1

 

[My3Sons]

Maybe in two years after they extend Hischier. His buddies have a fair amount of plot armor.

 

[UncleJunior]

I’m telling you. NHL GMs are idiots. They can find a sucker for Palat easily.

Your Uncle Junior has only been a hockey fan for around four years, fan of other sports. NHL GMs are close to the dumbest, most reactive.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Burakovsky is younger, cheaper and a better producer (been missing a ton of time though) and could only block a trade to 10 teams, less than half what palat can block

Yes Burakovsky is a much better fit for Chicago's cup window.

 

[Forge]

Yes Burakovsky is a much better fit for Chicago's cup window.

I'm not sure about Chicago's "cup window", but Burakovsky is clearly an easier player to move than Palat. Doesn't mean that Fitz won't be able to move Palat, but I just don't know that Burakovsky is indicative of anything with regards to moving Palat.

 

[njdevils1982]

I'm not sure about Chicago's "cup window", but Burakovsky is clearly an easier player to move than Palat. Doesn't mean that Fitz won't be able to move Palat, but I just don't know that Burakovsky is indicative of anything with regards to moving Palat.

i think the cup window comment was a joke

 

[Forge]

i think the cup window comment was a joke

Yes, I figured it was a snide response to my explaining the reasons why Burakovsky is an easier move. Given "cup window" of Chicago is also immaterial to burakovsky being comparable to moving Palat, being snide is the only real reason to mention it.

 

[Billdo]

Palat is 4 years older and declining. He has played with Jack Hughes a ton and Jesper Bratt yet still couldn't crack 30 points this season. As much as I like the guy, his contract is harder to move without retention then Burakovsky.

If Trouba can be moved, anyone can be moved.

 

[Forge]

If Trouba can be moved, anyone can be moved.

Largely what I am banking on. Young teams like the pedigree and leadership, especially if they have money to burn.

Palat's NTC is the hardest part to navigate if Palat doesn't want to move. If Palat is fine with being traded, he almost certainly won't be on the team next year.

 

[Lou Bloom]

If Trouba can be moved, anyone can be moved.

Trouba was 30 at the time of the trade and is a minute eating, physical RD. Whether or not analytics liked him or not teams are always going to value these types of players (Same reason for why someone like Ben Chiarot brought back a 1st round pick).

The problem with Palat is he’s a 34 year old winger that doesn’t score, Isn’t physical and doesn’t have much special teams value.

 

[devilsblood]

The problem with Palat is he’s a 34 year old winger that doesn’t score, Isn’t physical and doesn’t have much special teams value.

Oh sure, only mention the bad things.

 

[R8Devs]

Palat's still a serviceable 3rd line winger especially on a team that has no cup aspirations and he has a salary of 3.95m for this year after July 1. So a team near the cap floor could like his cap hit vs actual money, intangibles for the young players on the team, and the fact they can probably sell him for picks at the 26-27 trade deadline for picks if the team itself isn't a playoff contender by then. If the Devs retain that could probably help them with Palat's trade list.

 

[The 29th Pick]

Trouba was 30 at the time of the trade and is a minute eating, physical RD. Whether or not analytics liked him or not teams are always going to value these types of players (Same reason for why someone like Ben Chiarot brought back a 1st round pick).

The problem with Palat is he’s a 34 year old winger that doesn’t score, Isn’t physical and doesn’t have much special teams value.

So he's basically a useless $6 million dollar pile of (insert vulgarity here)

 

[NJDevils17]

We don’t have to kid ourselves into believing Palat has value or that any of the moves recently reflect his value.

Dude is gonna get moved, likely with a sweetener if at all. Negative value asset that maybe can get dealt to a cap floor team but he’s worthless.

 

[Zippy316]

I’m telling you. NHL GMs are idiots. They can find a sucker for Palat easily.

Only issue is there’s only a limited amount of teams that are going to do these cap dump trades.

Every time a guy like Krieder or Burakovsky is offloaded for free, it’s one less spot for Palat. Palat’s trade protection also complicates things here too.

 

[Triumph]

Only issue is there’s only a limited amount of teams that are going to do these cap dump trades.

Every time a guy like Krieder or Burakovsky is offloaded for free, it’s one less spot for Palat. Palat’s trade protection also complicates things here too.

San Jose is still $17M below the floor with no significant RFAs, plus they have Vlasic's contract expiring next summer, plus they're probably adding an ELC with whoever they draft this year. They need to add a lot of salary. They would make sense more as a location for Hamilton than Palat, truth be told.

It goes to show just how much salary you need to add as a rebuilding team though, San Jose has $13M in dead money between buyouts, retention, and Couture, plus they have Vlasic who is basically dead money - having a bunch of ELCs and young players, you need a lot more money elsewhere. The max ELC has barely gone up since the 2005 CBA and so we're entering a world where ELCs take up 1/100th of the cap where they used to take up something like 1/60th.

 

[The 29th Pick]

Is San Jose the only team that needs to add salary???

 

[Guttersniped]

GASP, but wait! I was assured he was a capable 3C and was worth qualifying for the Devs! Of course in reality, the most C needy team in the league isn't even gonna qualify him. I rest my case.

I love how excited you get after winning imaginary debates in your own head.

 

[Guttersniped]

If Trouba can be moved, anyone can be moved.

This is a terrible argument as Palat is more useless and less valuable than Trouba (and Krieder and Burakovsky).

And the only reason Trouba ended up traded was Drury threatened to waive him.

The NMC is a big block.

 

[Zippy316]

San Jose is still $17M below the floor with no significant RFAs, plus they have Vlasic's contract expiring next summer, plus they're probably adding an ELC with whoever they draft this year. They need to add a lot of salary. They would make sense more as a location for Hamilton than Palat, truth be told.

It goes to show just how much salary you need to add as a rebuilding team though, San Jose has $13M in dead money between buyouts, retention, and Couture, plus they have Vlasic who is basically dead money - having a bunch of ELCs and young players, you need a lot more money elsewhere. The max ELC has barely gone up since the 2005 CBA and so we're entering a world where ELCs take up 1/100th of the cap where they used to take up something like 1/60th.

I just don’t see Palat wanting to go there unless he’s just content to play out his deal.

Plus San Jose seems to want to challenge for a playoff spot next year. Odds are they’re going to look for actual contributors to surround their youth and not a guy like Palat who is overpaid. I could be wrong there though, as they have so much space they may just eat the two years for his experience.

I still think Detroit might be the most logical option. The Stevie Y connection is there and they have some overpaid guys like Tarasenko, Compher, and Copp that may be better fits for NJ’s needs.