Confirmed with Link: Devils acquire Meier (50% retained) and four others from the Sharks for 2023 1st, conditional 2024 1st, Mukhamadullin, Okhotiuk, Zetterlund & Johnsson

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Gonna miss Big Z and we had to give up a few other pieces....but you have to give to get and we are now a better team at this moment.

What worries you most about this trade?
Devils basically gave up six players to get him.

Two first rounders (though thankfully it looks like those will both be in the late 20's rather than lottery picks) plus four guys likely to slot in fairly soon for the Sharks.

And something tells me Mukh will be the best of the Nemec, Luke, and him trio.

Sometimes placating the fan base isn't the best move hockey-wise.

But we will see. A lot on Meier's shoulders.
 

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Devils basically gave up six players to get him.

Two first rounders (though thankfully it looks like those will both be in the late 20's rather than lottery picks) plus four guys likely to slot in fairly soon for the Sharks.

And something tells me Mukh will be the best of the Nemec, Luke, and him trio.

Sometimes placating the fan base isn't the best move hockey-wise.

But we will see. A lot on Meier's shoulders.
I think it is highly unlikely Mukh would be better than Nemec and Luke. I have literally not heard this take one time before this trade.

We did give up a lot of volume and some solid pieces. I don't think this was a bad trade for the Sharks. I do think it is good for us given the depth of assets we had and assuming we resign Meier.
 

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Devils basically gave up six players to get him.

Two first rounders (though thankfully it looks like those will both be in the late 20's rather than lottery picks) plus four guys likely to slot in fairly soon for the Sharks.

And something tells me Mukh will be the best of the Nemec, Luke, and him trio.

Sometimes placating the fan base isn't the best move hockey-wise.

But we will see. A lot on Meier's shoulders.
Where on earth do you get some of your takes from?
 

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Devils basically gave up six players to get him.

Two first rounders (though thankfully it looks like those will both be in the late 20's rather than lottery picks) plus four guys likely to slot in fairly soon for the Sharks.

And something tells me Mukh will be the best of the Nemec, Luke, and him trio.

Sometimes placating the fan base isn't the best move hockey-wise.

But we will see. A lot on Meier's shoulders.
Don’t listen to the voices in your head.
 

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This is a great trade for NJ, outside fan looking in. (Red Wings)

San Jose got jobbed by you guys. Depth players/later 1st rdp's for a legit star scorer. Nice work. Extremely jealous. ( You guys been twisting how great these collections of players are, but basically you didn't give up a single painful loss in terms of players. )

Imo, this is bad, bad by San Jose. I don't foresee the Grier regime being very successful honestly. Outside looking in. Unless he unloads karlsson for three 1st rdps, (hahahaha).

Devils are in great position and tough looking!
 

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Devils basically gave up six players to get him.

Two first rounders (though thankfully it looks like those will both be in the late 20's rather than lottery picks) plus four guys likely to slot in fairly soon for the Sharks.

And something tells me Mukh will be the best of the Nemec, Luke, and him trio.

Sometimes placating the fan base isn't the best move hockey-wise.

But we will see. A lot on Meier's shoulders.

yeah zutterland is a nice player to have fringe top 6 player. i liked the theory of muk of what he could become but face it hes probably 2-3 years away at best of reaching his full potential if ever. devils will have timo here for that entire time + devils are past the point of worrying about potential and what ifs we need players to contribute now with proven track records.
 

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uh... what?



Don't insult Fitz's intelligence by suggesting he did this simply to "placate the fan base".
Not putting that on Fitz at all. Decisions like that are "above his pay grade ".

Much like drafting Luke Hughes instead of Edvinsson or Clarke.

Had a lot more to do with optics than hockey ops.
 

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The way Fitz talked yesterday it sounded like a Bratt extension was coming sooner than later.

I feel like we heard him say similar things about a Bratt deal getting done last year. I think ultimately it gets done but I don't think it's coming anytime soon. I'd be shocked if Bratt signed before Meier. Meier has the leverage in his deal since Fitz just gave up all that to get him. Meier's probably going to get quite a bit and then Bratt's going to push for the same deal

This is a great trade for NJ, outside fan looking in. (Red Wings)

San Jose got jobbed by you guys. Depth players/later 1st rdp's for a legit star scorer. Nice work. Extremely jealous. ( You guys been twisting how great these collections of players are, but basically you didn't give up a single painful loss in terms of players. )

Imo, this is bad, bad by San Jose. I don't foresee the Grier regime being very successful honestly. Outside looking in. Unless he unloads karlsson for three 1st rdps, (hahahaha).

Devils are in great position and tough looking!

The Zetterlund add is just weird to me for SJ. Zetterlund's f***ing awesome but he's far more valuable to a contender than a rebuilding team and Grier said they're going full rebuild. Holtz would've made more sense

Where on earth do you get some of your takes from?

6'4 190. 6'2 183. 6'1 190. Take a guess which one Muk is
 

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Yeah, sleeping on it I'm mostly over the sticker shock. It was a surprise; the vibe a lot of people had was that this was a buyer's market, and seeing so many pieces, albeit not from the very top of the organizational depth, included was more a surprise than anything else.

But again, assuming Timo's extended you really can't be too upset at this, even if losing Mukh and Zetts hurts a good deal.

Part of why I feel better is I don't think Fitz is going to be the GM who goes out and swings deals like this on the regular; he knew had had prospect capital to spend, he saw a guy who was basically the perfect target for the Devils' contention window and on-ice needs, so he spent some of that capital to make it happen. He's not about to pull a Rangers and just empty the coffers every year, and he's shown no indication that he doesn't keep an eye on the big picture when considering the overall health and depth within the organization, so I don't expect that to change. Given that, replacing a lot of what the Devils lost here won't be the hardest thing in the world, and Meier potentially puts them over the top for a championship in the very (how about incredibly) near future.

Basically, Fitz cashed in some chips to make this happen, but he's no degenerate gambler, so no reason not to trust the process and enjoy the ride, which is likely about to get even crazier now.

Yeah it's a lot. Get Bratt/Meier both signed (and make the most out of getting to keep Holtz) and great. Have to move one of them and I'm far less happy.
 
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I feel like we heard him say similar things about a Bratt deal getting done last year. I think ultimately it gets done but I don't think it's coming anytime soon. I'd be shocked if Bratt signed before Meier. Meier has the leverage in his deal since Fitz just gave up all that to get him. Meier's probably going to get quite a bit and then Bratt's going to push for the same deal



The Zetterlund add is just weird to me for SJ. Zetterlund's f***ing awesome but he's far more valuable to a contender than a rebuilding team and Grier said they're going full rebuild. Holtz would've made more sense



6'4 190. 6'2 183. 6'1 190. Take a guess which one Muk is
Zetterlund is the kind of guy Tampa will trade a whole draft for :sarcasm:
 

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Yeah, like I'm not saying Zetterlund sucks or isn't an NHL'er but that type of players is signed every day or the week in the offseason if you need a player like him.

Honestly, I just can't believe the Sharks and am super impressed with the Devils. I'd fire Greir, lol, after the TDL, start my new GM search and get a new FO for the offseason/draft. Grier is looking like a disaster with money/trades, IMO.
 
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Devils basically gave up six players to get him.

Two first rounders (though thankfully it looks like those will both be in the late 20's rather than lottery picks) plus four guys likely to slot in fairly soon for the Sharks.

And something tells me Mukh will be the best of the Nemec, Luke, and him trio.

Sometimes placating the fan base isn't the best move hockey-wise.

But we will see. A lot on Meier's shoulders.
Shakir was the best prospect and Luke and Nemec in the moment. But I can`t say he will be better than both. I think Nemec ceiling as defensive defenseman is better and Luke has better ceiling as offensive defenseman. And I don`t think that Nemc will be worser than Shakir as offensive defenseman.

But the truth is we lost potential top-4 defenseman. But it is a price you pay for top-line player. No one in the world made more for popularisation of Shakir`s potential and his game than me. Some "scouts" with 3 classes of school education told us that he isn`t deserve to spend a pick for him. And I don`t like them for that. Now Shakir Mukhamadullin is THE MAIN PIECE in the trade of Timmo Meier. This is how wrong they were. And it`s really sad to lose him for me. I saw hundred of his games. But it is a price.

I can`t say Shakir is legit top pair defenseman because of his mobility. He is better than Hamilton or Graves but you should understand what I`m talking about, many big deefnsemen aren`t very good and fast when they need to make first step and turn around. And Shakir isn`t as good as Hamilton as QB. I think he has pontetial to be legit 2 pair defenseman like Severson. May be little better as transitional defenseman. But again - I would trade young Severson or adult Severson for Meier in any day of the week.

Luke and Simon have legit potential to be first pair defensemen, because Nemec is very mobile on the shorter distance, and Luke has huge potential as transitional and scoring defenseman.
 

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Yeah like I'm not saying Zetterlund sucks, or isn't an NHL'er but that type of players is signed everyday or the week in the offseason if you need a player like him.

He's better than you think but you should be targeting a higher end piece like Holtz for a rebuild
 
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The way Fitz talked yesterday it sounded like a Bratt extension was coming sooner than later.
Maybe.....dare I hope....there was a verbal / handshake (with gloves on because Covid...lol) agreement with him and Bratt's agent? :eek3:


I just want it to be 8 years....I don't care what the dollar amount is, whether it's lower or higher.

I just want him to be a Devils for the next 8 years.
 

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I think it is highly unlikely Mukh would be better than Nemec and Luke. I have literally not heard this take one time before this trade.

We did give up a lot of volume and some solid pieces. I don't think this was a bad trade for the Sharks. I do think it is good for us given the depth of assets we had and assuming we resign Meier.

You have to know that this guy is going to spend the next 7 years thinking that Luke Hughes is bad, regardless of what he actually does.

The Zetterlund add is just weird to me for SJ. Zetterlund's f***ing awesome but he's far more valuable to a contender than a rebuilding team and Grier said they're going full rebuild. Holtz would've made more sense

Grier specifically said the Sharks are not doing a full rebuild.

 

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Maybe.....dare I hope....there was a verbal / handshake (with gloves on because Covid...lol) agreement with him and Bratt's agent?

:eek3::eek3::eek3:


I just want it to be 8 years....I don't care what the dollar amount is, whether it's lower or higher.

I just want him to be a Devils for the next 8 years.
What’s your first post going to be when he gets signed?
 
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You have to know that this guy is going to spend the next 7 years thinking that Luke Hughes is bad, regardless of what he actually does.



Grier specifically said the Sharks are not doing a full rebuild.


LOL I knew it, they think of themselves more as the 2015 Yankees with the ability to do a quick reset than a team that needs to fully tear it down
 
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