JrFischer54
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Jesus Christ you're the most negative poster in here, you need to change your avatar to Glum:
lol did you read the post that i was replying to? i guess not lol
Jesus Christ you're the most negative poster in here, you need to change your avatar to Glum:
I did.lol did you read the post that i was replying to? i guess not lol
Tatar has been fine, I don't understand why people have a problem with him. He was a stop gap and also supposed to try and help offset the loss of Palmieri, which he's absolutely done. He's been better than Palmieri has this year by quite a bit. He also doesn't play too many minutes. I think he barely averages more icetime than Michael McLeod this year, if that tells you anything. That said, he probably won't play here in 2 years from now (2023-2024) when his contract is up after next summer.This.
This.
This.
The only guy of that group I still want on this team 2 years from now is Sharangovich. MAYBE Zacha if he can become more consistent.
The issue with Tatar is really not himself but we didn't a player of his style (maybe it is him lol), we needed someone like Saad. It does blow we missed out on him, he would have helped out immensely.Tatar has been fine, I don't understand why people have a problem with him. He was a stop gap and also supposed to try and help offset the loss of Palmieri, which he's absolutely done. He's been better than Palmieri has this year by quite a bit. He also doesn't play too many minutes. I think he barely averages more icetime than Michael McLeod this year, if that tells you anything. That said, he probably won't play here in 2 years from now (2023-2024) when his contract is up after next summer.
Kuokkonen probably won't be here by then either, as his contract is also set to expire next summer, but he's also still an RFA. We either won't qualify him if he doesn't improve by next season and some other team will sign him on the UFA market or he'll sign in Europe.
Zacha is fine until we start giving him contracts that have any sort of term. I don't want him here beyond next year, but if he is here then I won't complain if he's on one year deals. He's up for UFA in 2023 also, that's assuming we only give him a one year extension this summer.
Johnsson - Another guy that's up for UFA in the summer of 2023, it seems like all of these guys contracts are up in 2023, other than Zacha who is up after this year. I don't know if it would be best if we signed him after that. Probably not though.
Boqvist shouldn't play here after this year, certainly not for the NHL team. The audition has been long enough and he has hardly been better than Vladimir Zharkov in a similar number of games played. I have a feeling that he might go to Europe if he realizes there's no chance that he'll stick in the NHL full time next year. He didn't really seem to wanna play in the AHL to start 19-20, so we had to start him in the NHL here that year just to get him to sign. I forgot what the story was there, but I don't really care anymore because Boqvist is just a significantly nothing player with no real long term NHL potential at this point.
We have to get Nico some better linemates this offseason. Zacha in addition to not being productive at even strength, is not a stylistic fit IMO. Nico needs another linemate who can play off the cycle and ideally has some finishing skill.Nico's CF% this season is 24th amongst centers with +300 minutes, better than MacKinnon, Draisaitl, Giroux, Aho, Crosby, Point, Couturier, Schiefele, Pavelski, Kopitar, Tavares, O'Reilly, Marchessault, Zegras, Pettersen, Kuznetsov, Barzal, Horvat, and Hertl.
He has 11 points (6 goals) in his last 14 games, which is astonishing considering that his primary linemate has only 4 points in 17 games over the same stretch.
He wasn't good against the Islanders...His line was on the ice for 2 of the 3 goal - He was late picking up the point man on the second goal (2:45) and Sharangovich did a terrible job picking up the man in front of the net.
And on the game winner both Jack and Sharangovich both went to one man leaving the center of the ice wide open for the Barzal goal (4:16)
That horrific D play coupled with 0 points is not a good game
Tatar has been fine, I don't understand why people have a problem with him. He was a stop gap and also supposed to try and help offset the loss of Palmieri, which he's absolutely done. He's been better than Palmieri has this year by quite a bit. He also doesn't play too many minutes. I think he barely averages more icetime than Michael McLeod this year, if that tells you anything. That said, he probably won't play here in 2 years from now (2023-2024) when his contract is up after next summer.
Kuokkonen probably won't be here by then either, as his contract is also set to expire next summer, but he's also still an RFA. We either won't qualify him if he doesn't improve by next season and some other team will sign him on the UFA market or he'll sign in Europe.
Zacha is fine until we start giving him contracts that have any sort of term. I don't want him here beyond next year, but if he is here then I won't complain if he's on one year deals. He's up for UFA in 2023 also, that's assuming we only give him a one year extension this summer.
Johnsson - Another guy that's up for UFA in the summer of 2023, it seems like all of these guys contracts are up in 2023, other than Zacha who is up after this year. I don't know if it would be best if we signed him after that. Probably not though.
Boqvist shouldn't play another game here after this year, certainly not for the NHL team. The audition has been long enough and he has hardly been better than Vladimir Zharkov in a similar number of games played. I have a feeling that he might go to Europe if he realizes there's no chance that he'll stick in the NHL full time next year. He didn't really seem to wanna play in the AHL to start 19-20, so we had to start him in the NHL here that year just to get him to sign. I forgot what the story was there, but I don't really care anymore because Boqvist is just a significantly nothing player with no real long term NHL potential at this point.
Depth is a major issue up front without a doubt and it an area we have to improve.The thing I love about Nico is his compete level. Not necessarily his decisions with the puck. I think he'll be a terrific 2C for us for years.
I have no worries about him, nor Jack, nor Bratt - except in the health/size department, because you know they are going to be targets when games get interesting and I don't logically see how they'll be able to fight through that unless they are surrounded by guys who are hard to play against. I'm good with Mercer in all cases because he seems to be the kinda kid we need and has all kinds of confidence and talent. I can see him being a playoff mainstay.
I'm fine with Bastian/McLeod as 4th liners. Sad use of first and second rounders, but if they can form a 4th line that is one of the best in the league I'm on board with that.
The rest of the team is entirely hot garbage. All of them could have good statistical seasons if paired with Bratt or Jack - but that's the only way they will succeed here, and we need something ALOT better than what they bring because Tatar, Johnsson, Kuok, Boqvist, and Zacha are worthless if not scoring. Sharangovich *might* be a passable 3rd liner, or he might just be out of the league. I've liked him better at C this season, but there's no place for that on this team. Vesey is an ok plug on the 4th line and PK if Wood never comes back. I'd rather see Studenic.
Dougie is great. Siegs has been a find on 3rd pair. We need to sign Graves. The rest all of have question marks; and despite hating on Sevs (rightfully for at least half of the seasons he's been here) I'd like to have him back if he takes a hometown discount. Subban should be gone at TDL. I was high on Smith and still think he'll be good, but I don't know if he's what we need. White/Jaros and even Bahl probably don't belong (sad to say because I was Bahls deep on Bahl.)
The stretch of games after Nico was out for 15 days? Those games? And Nico was out because because on the game against Dallas on Feb 1st:He did the same in 2019-2020 when had 14 points in 15 games At the end of December 2019 after the Hall Trade....That was the "real Nico"... not the one That had 4 points in the final 12 games of the same season.
[Hischier] missed the opening few minutes of the second period after needing stitches on his knee from a hit by Steven Johns in the first period.
I think as of this year he's more than good enough to play on our top two lines. He hasn't been a top line guy but certainly acceptable 2nd line production, especially when you look at his minutes played. I don't expect that to be the case by sometime next year and that's okay cause his time is probably done by next Spring.Thought this was all on the money until the Tatar replaces Palmieri. If you mean 'shit on a stick BAD Palmieri of last year' instead of 'team leader in points, dig in the corners heart and soul Palmieri' of the previous years, well then, yeah - but I didn't think we needed last year's Palmieri replaced. He's done a terrifc job of being pretty lucky in the right place on occasions, but... certainly not good enough to play on our top two lines - and that's saying something because really no one on this team outside the top 4 guys should dream of deserving a spot on the top two lines of any hockey team.
The thing I love about Nico is his compete level. Not necessarily his decisions with the puck. I think he'll be a terrific 2C for us for years.
I have no worries about him, nor Jack, nor Bratt - except in the health/size department, because you know they are going to be targets when games get interesting and I don't logically see how they'll be able to fight through that unless they are surrounded by guys who are hard to play against. I'm good with Mercer in all cases because he seems to be the kinda kid we need and has all kinds of confidence and talent. I can see him being a playoff mainstay.
I'm fine with Bastian/McLeod as 4th liners. Sad use of first and second rounders, but if they can form a 4th line that is one of the best in the league I'm on board with that.
The rest of the team is entirely hot garbage. All of them could have good statistical seasons if paired with Bratt or Jack - but that's the only way they will succeed here, and we need something ALOT better than what they bring because Tatar, Johnsson, Kuok, Boqvist, and Zacha are worthless if not scoring. Sharangovich *might* be a passable 3rd liner, or he might just be out of the league. I've liked him better at C this season, but there's no place for that on this team. Vesey is an ok plug on the 4th line and PK if Wood never comes back. I'd rather see Studenic.
Dougie is great. Siegs has been a find on 3rd pair. We need to sign Graves. The rest all of have question marks; and despite hating on Sevs (rightfully for at least half of the seasons he's been here) I'd like to have him back if he takes a hometown discount. Subban should be gone at TDL. I was high on Smith and still think he'll be good, but I don't know if he's what we need. White/Jaros and even Bahl probably don't belong (sad to say because I was Bahls deep on Bahl.)
Just wait... Zacha will get hot again for the last few weeks of the year and everyone will want to keep him around again.We have to get Nico some better linemates this offseason. Zacha in addition to not being productive at even strength, is not a stylistic fit IMO. Nico needs another linemate who can play off the cycle and ideally has some finishing skill.
Just wait... Zacha will get hot again for the last few weeks of the year and everyone will want to keep him around again.
Just wait... Zacha will get hot again for the last few weeks of the year and everyone will want to keep him around again.
I've wanted him traded for a while. Unfortunately this is trading low but he just isn't an effective player. I would have preferred to have traded him this past offseason.Just wait... Zacha will get hot again for the last few weeks of the year and everyone will want to keep him around again.
Wouldn't mind any of the nitpicking of the top two if there was an even hand. You have a No. 6 overall doing nothing for 20 games but yeah, let's light up the PPG player. Pure desperation.
Oh yeah, this one was funny enough to bookmark for the eventual regression that took place:
"Zacha’s 4 goals in 5 games and 5 points in 5 is certainly unsustainable….he’s feeding off much better players in Nico and Bratt."
I think as of this year he's more than good enough to play on our top two lines. He hasn't been a top line guy but certainly acceptable 2nd line production, especially when you look at his minutes played. I don't expect that to be the case by sometime next year and that's okay cause his time is probably done by next Spring.
Depth is a major issue up front without a doubt and it an area we have to improve.
Siegs is a top 4 Dman IMO. He has been terrific this year.
Like your optimism on this front - I DO like that when Tatar finds himself open around the net and the puck finds him, he sure knows what to do with it - but I think that is even more true of Sharangovich. I'm just tired of watching Tatar kind of float around and get knocked about off of pucks.
When I think about Miles Wood and his two or three mad rushes up the ice, I think he is the exact anti-Tatar. Someone who can generate something out of nothing by himself but can't finish it. Tatar can generate nothing by himself but can end.
The real question mark is what has happened to Mango? The guy seems like complete magic with Bratt + Mercer, then 1/10th as magic with just Mercer - and then garbage with anyone else. He hasn't even really been making those occasional nice passes we were seeing throughout the early part of the season.
Like your optimism on this front - I DO like that when Tatar finds himself open around the net and the puck finds him, he sure knows what to do with it - but I think that is even more true of Sharangovich. I'm just tired of watching Tatar kinda float around and get knocked about off of pucks.
When I think about Miles Wood and his two or three mad rushes up the ice, I think he is the exact anti-Tatar. Someone who can generate something out of nothing by himself, but can't finish it. Tatar can generate nothing by himself but can finish.
The real question mark is what has happened to Mango? The guy seems like complete magic with Bratt + Mercer, and then 1/10th as magic with just Mercer - and then garbage with anyone else. He hasn't even really been making those occasional nice passes we were seeing all throughout the early part of the season.
The thing I love about Nico is his compete level. Not necessarily his decisions with the puck. I think he'll be a terrific 2C for us for years.
I have no worries about him, nor Jack, nor Bratt - except in the health/size department, because you know they are going to be targets when games get interesting and I don't logically see how they'll be able to fight through that unless they are surrounded by guys who are hard to play against. I'm good with Mercer in all cases because he seems to be the kinda kid we need and has all kinds of confidence and talent. I can see him being a playoff mainstay.
I'm fine with Bastian/McLeod as 4th liners. Sad use of first and second rounders, but if they can form a 4th line that is one of the best in the league I'm on board with that.
The rest of the team is entirely hot garbage. All of them could have good statistical seasons if paired with Bratt or Jack - but that's the only way they will succeed here, and we need something ALOT better than what they bring because Tatar, Johnsson, Kuok, Boqvist, and Zacha are worthless if not scoring. Sharangovich *might* be a passable 3rd liner, or he might just be out of the league. I've liked him better at C this season, but there's no place for that on this team. Vesey is an ok plug on the 4th line and PK if Wood never comes back. I'd rather see Studenic.
Dougie is great. Siegs has been a find on 3rd pair. We need to sign Graves. The rest all of have question marks; and despite hating on Sevs (rightfully for at least half of the seasons he's been here) I'd like to have him back if he takes a hometown discount. Subban should be gone at TDL. I was high on Smith and still think he'll be good, but I don't know if he's what we need. White/Jaros and even Bahl probably don't belong (sad to say because I was Bahls deep on Bahl.)
Yeah I love how his game has grown. I think he could be a top4 D for us while we grow, but *hopefully* he just becomes that steady shutdown guy on the third pair.
Since Smith seems to be so much more comfortable with shutdown guys, I wonder if they ever get paired together. (despite lhd/rhd) I think it'd open Smith's game right up. He's a disaster with partners that he has to worry about pinching, or flubbing a slapper or going on a little jaunt (Subban, Severson and even Hamilton). He should be the one going on the little jaunts.
I would be shocked if Johnsson is traded, I don’t see us retaining salary on him.
Trading Zacha doesn’t seem likely at all unless it’s some unforeseeable hockey trade. I don’t see a contender trading for him.
I feel like Subban’s extensive playoff experience might draw interest. 96 playoff games is a lot and he’s been in a Conference Final and Stanley Cup Final.
His actual salary being so little should lower the cost of a second team retaining salary. Not sure what the return is but I assume we do it if it’s possible.
Severson is unlikely, most contenders don’t have 4.16m cap space to spare next season and we’re probably not that enthusiastic about retaining on half his 5.1m salary.
I think he potentially could get a lot from a team like Toronto that desperately needs an upgrade their right side.
The X factor: what other RD is on the market. I assume Braun (Flyers) is but is Ristolainen too? (Man, that was a 2021 14th pick and a 2023 2nd not well spent.)
Pysyk (Buffalo) and Lybushkin (Arizona). Manson (Ducks)? Some of these guys aren’t as good but cheaper, some are more straight-up pure defensive shut-down types that teams might be looking for.
There would pretty much have to be bidding war for Severson to get the kind of return that would make it worth it, which is what happened with Coleman. The market shapes these trades.
The issue with Tatar is really not himself but we didn't a player of his style (maybe it is him lol), we needed someone like Saad. It does blow we missed out on him, he would have helped out immensely.
I would call Columbus about Boqvist, see if they would be interested in uniting him and his brother. They might.