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Detroit Redwings Downfall

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Detroit isn't going anywhere fast. Give it another five years and maybe they'll start making some noise.
 
Pavels Dog said:
I consider Johansson and Söderblom NHLers. Mazur would likely be too if he just stays healthy..

We likely have different views of timelines. 4-5 years development for mid-to-late round picks isn't unusual. Nick Jensen made his NHL debut in his d+8 and he's now at 600+ NHL games. That's extreme, but proves the point.


Your examples didn't really show that though?

For New Jersey you listed:
Jack Hughes - #1OA
Alex Holtz - #7OA (trending bust)
Luke Hughes - #4OA
Dawson Mercer - #18OA
Shakhir Mukhamadullin - #20OA (borderline NHLer at best)
Nico Daws - 3rd rounder and borderline NHLer at best

That simply isn't anymore impressive than Detroit's haul. Just isn't. For some reason you've just decided that you're not going to criticize New Jersey for landing zero players outside the 1st round in 2019 (they had another 5 picks in the top 100) and give them credit for legitimately bad/failed picks. You seem unimpressed with Kasper, but bring up Mercer as a good pick who is scoring similar numbers while being several years older. Double-standard much?
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I brought a comparable situation of a team drafting impact players with early picks (Agreed on Holtz being nothing great, he was traded for a bottom six player in Cotter), becuase you said find another team who have drafted impact platers from 2019-2021... Shakhir is a very solid young player, in fact I'd consider him to be above Johansson who was drafted earlier. So you have Kaspar > Mercer, Shakhir > Johansson Daws = Cossa, Hughes > Raymond, Hughes = Edvinsson, and Detroit has Seider. Detroit also had more picks in the drafts (31-26) and more top 100 selections (17 to 14). I'm saying that Yzerman is being lauded as this great drafting GM, while he has a record matched by New Jersey in a comparable situation, while NJ had less picks and fewer top 100 picks. But we dont hear how NJ's GM is is drafting guru
 
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Fatass said:
What type of players does Yzerman need to add to his current roster to be a playoff team?
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First and foremost one or two d-men who can be top pair and top four and play with Seider and Edvinsson.
Seider need either a speciality d-man whether its offensive or defensive, or an all-round guy who is just overall good. Depending on how you want to use Seider, personally I would get all-around or defensive as I want Seider to be the aggressive d-man and improve offensively as I think he has it in him to do so.

Edvinsson I think need unless paired with Seider, an offensive d-man or all-round with offensive traits around him. Edvinsson might develop into that himself, but its more realistic he grows more solidified into being that security d-man on a pair, even though he has some attacking drives now and then. He done well with Johansson though, but AJo is more the complimentary d-man than Edvinsson, and whether he becomes a good enough 4th man to play there when the roster is better I'm not sure. AJo might be better of being 3rd pair d-man long term.

The other is a top 6 forward, ideally a center to me, but could be a winger if one let Kasper take that middle six center spot with Danielson also coming up, so longer term one might come better out of it getting a top six winger. Compher could get traded away in some kind of overall deal that secures or leads to one of those positions.

Though the winger could come from within the organization among the upcoming prospects as there are many with middle six winger projections with potential top six abilities.

Personally I'm high on Amadeus Lombardi making this team in the future whether it be center or winger waits to be seen. Or he could play both.
 
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Hockeyfan2390 said:
Going as planned? Zero playoff appearances in six years and zero direction or urgency is the plan? Regression in year 6 was the plan?

Cool story, Yzerbot.
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Is the end game to be a peripheral bubble playoff team as Ottawa long term or make a contending team and possibly win a cup or two? I'd go the long way for the second option.
 
WarriorofTime said:
Which is why I think Yzerman should have gone for the multi-year tank than signing a bunch of middling vets to make the team mediocre.
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I agree that he should have tanked at least one more year, maybe two.

Problem he saw is one was doing bad but dropped in the draft lottery. I would have rode that out a bit longer.
Also one don't want to trade the young guys doing better, thus he elected the other way of trying to improve earlier and have veteran leadership in the locker room in regards to at least the mentality of how you are as a pro on a daily basis.
I don't really have a problem with the signing of place holder veterans, but personally it was too many for me. Overall not a very big deal, more of a preference.
The one minus is that some of these FA's we can all agree done worse so far than expected, which is a bit unfortunate. Hard to predict that. The probability of many doing worse at the same time isn't what you'd expect.
 
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SirKillalot said:
Is the end game to be a peripheral bubble playoff team as Ottawa long term or make a contending team and possibly win a cup or two? I'd go the long way for the second option.
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Why are the Sens a peripheral bubble team moving forward. Their core is still young and signed, and in their prime.

I give SY one more year, how many GM’s in history have missed the playoffs 7 years by next year and 10 total, without being let go.
 
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JediOrderPizza said:
In some areas yes, last year was pretty flukey, like a bubble Vancouver.
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An anomaly and they still missed the playoffs? Imo the Wings are very close to be very good. They need an elite 1C (so Latkin can win his matchups as the 2C.) and an offensive 1D (so Seider can play the #2) get those two pieces and the Wings are off and running.
 
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Golden_Jet said:
Why are the Sens a peripheral bubble team moving forward. Their core is still young and signed, and in their prime.
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Cause I don't see them at least for now being able to get up into the top 4-5 teams of the conference.
Right now there is 5 teams better, 6 if you include Devils when Hughes is back.
Can't see what teams they going to leap past.

Yes I expect some of their younger prime guys to also improve, but they also traded for or signed these veterans who after next season where are they? So I guess it comes down to a little bit what they are able to add to this group beyond 2026 and if their prime guys becomes so much better that they get past these current top six teams.

I don't think they will manage, but there are arguments for why they could do it.
We can agree to disagree.
 
SirKillalot said:
Cause I don't see them at least for now being able to get up into the top 4-5 teams of the conference.
Right now there is 5 teams better, 6 if you include Devils when Hughes is back.
Can't see what teams they going to leap past.

Yes I expect some of their younger prime guys to also improve, but they also traded for or signed these veterans who after next season where are they? So I guess it comes down to a little bit what they are able to add to this group beyond 2026 and if their prime guys becomes so much better that they get past these current top six teams.

I don't think they will manage, but there are arguments for why they could do it.
We can agree to disagree.
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I noticed you edited out, the second question.
 
nbwingsfan said:
A Vezina winning goalie three years ago. Has he played anywhere near a Vezina level this season?

You could have done much better lol. Hilarious to argue otherwise.
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He’s one of the main reason Ottawa is in the playoffs. As a Wing fan you should know, he stole two wins from your overall record
 
Fatass said:
An anomaly and they still missed the playoffs? Imo the Wings are very close to be very good. They need an elite 1C (so Latkin can win his matchups as the 2C.) and an offensive 1D (so Seider can play the #2) get those two pieces and the Wings are off and running.
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Good news for us Red Wings fans since it's pretty easy to acquire an elite 1C and a 1D
 
Price is Wright said:
Just so we're clear, Red Wings fans are happy with Detroit's drafting since 2021 correct?

Brandsegg-Nygard, Plante, Becher, Danielson, Sandin-Pellika, Augustine, Gibson, Cleveland, Dower-Nilsson, Kasper, James, Buchelnikov, Edvinsson, Cossa, Buium, Mazur?

That's 6 first round picks, 9 second round picks, 3 third round picks in the Top 100 for the past four years.

You guys and girls are all good with this yeah?
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In the Trump voice. This is perfect drafting. The best we have ever seen.
 
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I read this thread every single day.

Detroit fans will do alot to defend Stevie Y. Every other fanbase seems to think they're in no mans land/building the 2010s Minnesota Wild.
 
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There is a lot of parity in the Eastern Conference right now,

Detroit could have easily made it over the Habs and Sens.

Columbus has a good team. Buffalo really came on at the end of the season. No one saw the Rangers not making it. Boston should rebound next year. I for one like Detroit's pieces.

Raymond, Seider, Arvidsson, Kasper, Cossa

Are all some serious young talent to grow around.
 
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Yzerstans moniker is fire.

The red wings have been rebuilding on the fly (meaning not trading their best assets) It's very hard. The Capitals seem to have managed to done it but basically you need to draft very well with your picks and pick up great players via free agency and trades. Now the Red Wings are backed out in a corner. They are too good to tank but lack top quality to compete. Maybe they could sign a top free agent trade for a top player... and next seasom they are near the top of league but IMO building through the draft should be over for them. They need immediate talent now.
 
SirKillalot said:
I don't know what you are talking about, I quoted what I wanted to quote and responded like normal.
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ahh so now you’ve moved the goalpost from , you didn’t edit anything out, to you responded to the parts you felt like.🤣.
You didn’t fool anyone.

For reference this is the part. you said you didn’t edit out.
I give SY one more year, how many GM’s in history have missed the playoffs 7 years by next year and 10 total, without being let go.
 
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