OgeeOgelthorpe
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Mrazek and Talbot are on the books next year. Cossa is ready to make the jump. They won’t spend more on goalies.
Mrazek and Talbot are on the books next year. Cossa is ready to make the jump. They won’t spend more on goalies.
Golden_Jet
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Sorry didn't have to time to elaborate, (and still really don't at the moment). He posted on Wings board (about defensement) mentioning possibilty of Devallano retiring, SY moving up and Draper takin on GM.
Thie first 2 pieces of that have always been a matter of time, the last part being Draper as GM is the grenade. It is not an outright prediction, just mentioned a possibility along with poetnetial of Wings "going young up front" next year. I.e. entering the McKenna sweepstakes.
A lot of it makes for interesting discussion, but personally I want no part of Draper as GM at this point. A lot of people think some of us blindly follow SY, but the fact is he had a very good track record in Tampa.
I didn't think it was right when Mike Illitch asked Holland to move upstairs to make way for SY, when Jim Nill was sitting righ there. Wasn't sure how it would go in Tampa for him and it is was a different situation for sure bet he did great once he got there.
Golden_Jet
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The Wings, for better or for worse, already have their two goalies signed for next season.
Dotter
THE ATHLETIC IS GARBAGE
There's this pesky little thing called "lottery". Look it up. Wings have been screwed out of the lottery since, what 2018? They are due for some favorable luck.
Dotter
THE ATHLETIC IS GARBAGE
Bro the Wings aren’t trying to come 17th place instead of 16th, that’s just absurd
No reason to believe the Yzermess would be less worse if Lady Luck had smiled on the Wings more.
saska sault
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Yzerman has been pretty trash in free agency and trades have been hits and misses but please name the 1st rounders he should have drafted over who he did select. No reason to think he wouldn't have nailed those picks if he got a higher choice.
Czechboy
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I agree.. the first rounders are great. I do think he wins redrafts.
Now tell me about rounds 2 to 7 because he's Oiler's level bad at rounds 2 to 7.
Maybe Johanson? is that it?
A good drafter unearths some players in rounds 2 to 7. Kind of like Tampa and all their 2 to 7th rounders who became impact players.
Granted, with 1st rounders Yzerman did fine, but that misses the point of the post entirely, but after the 1st round his picks weren't so hot and then as you admit "Yzerman has been pretty trash in free agency and trades have been hits and misses".
Getting a higher 1st round would not have stopped any of that.
Ulysses31
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hard to say for certain how good the post 1st round prospects are. SY likes to let his prospects cook as long as possible for better or worse.
soderblom and aljo (both 2019) just finally made the team but Aljo is a solid 4th or 5th D n soderblom excellent 3rd line option, so those are great picks from later rounds.
saska sault
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Most fans, myself included cannot defend some of the moves he has made. He has some pretty decent trades but those are over shadowed by some of the recent misses, that's the nature of the game. They have some very good prospects that aren't in the NHL yet, its a classic case of not being renowned because they are yet to step foot on NHL ice. Like all prospects, a large chunk aren't going to hit but over the next year or 2 there is going to be guys from those later drafts that step in for those depth roles at very cost controlled prices and I think the narrative will shift a bit.
Its not earth shattering when guys like Johansson and Soderblom step in at 23 years old and become impactful and positive additions because of the development curve, but also doesn't take away from the fact they are drafted players that are doing well overall to varying degrees. It obviously will take a few years to really know if any of Yzerman's other 2nd to 7th rounders do the same but there is a few that I would be surprised if they do not follow the same path.
Also doesn't change the fact the worst Red Wings are Yzerman's free agents. So I get the Yzerplan doubters.
Run the Jewels
Make Detroit Great Again
You need to separate out Detroit's North American and European scouting. The NA scouting is beyond awful, while European scouting has provided the lion's share of the talent that is going to form Detroit's core.
Proven Euro talent:
Seider
Edvinsson
ASP (based on SHL play to date)
Filip Hronek (best DRW draft pick in 2016 draft, flipped for ASP)
Albert Johansson (will play 5-10 seasons in the NHL)
Raymond
Kasper (stats + playing style comparable to Sam Bennett in his 20yo season)
Berggren (best of the DRW 2018 draft picks, including Zadina at 6)
Elmer Soderblom (will have a productive NHL career)
Top Euro prospects
Michael Brandsegg-Nygård
Dmitri Buchelnikov
William Wallinder (will get his shot in the NHL next year when he'd need to clear waivers)
This is all within the last 9 drafts.
Proven NA talent over this same time frame (since 2016):
Dennis Cholowski I guess?
Givani Smith I guess?
Michael Rasmussen I guess?
Joe Veleno I guess?
This is why it's going to be critical for Yzerman to clean house with regard to his NA scouting. You cannot suck this badly when drafting from the biggest talent pool on the freaking planet.
Proven Euro talent:
Seider
Edvinsson
ASP (based on SHL play to date)
Filip Hronek (best DRW draft pick in 2016 draft, flipped for ASP)
Albert Johansson (will play 5-10 seasons in the NHL)
Raymond
Kasper (stats + playing style comparable to Sam Bennett in his 20yo season)
Berggren (best of the DRW 2018 draft picks, including Zadina at 6)
Elmer Soderblom (will have a productive NHL career)
Top Euro prospects
Michael Brandsegg-Nygård
Dmitri Buchelnikov
William Wallinder (will get his shot in the NHL next year when he'd need to clear waivers)
This is all within the last 9 drafts.
Proven NA talent over this same time frame (since 2016):
Dennis Cholowski I guess?
Givani Smith I guess?
Michael Rasmussen I guess?
Joe Veleno I guess?
This is why it's going to be critical for Yzerman to clean house with regard to his NA scouting. You cannot suck this badly when drafting from the biggest talent pool on the freaking planet.
Czechboy
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As an Oil fan.. I'll say this. We had both.lol
Chia drafted them and had them in the NHL by Halloween... it was brutal and didn't work.
Holland drafted them and left them to riped.. it was brutal, didn't work and I don't even think we have 1 first rounder left from Holland's 5 year reign of terror.
I'm obviously hoping Becher becomes an NHL player and think it was a brilliant third round pick but time will tell. For now, I would give Yzerman an A for round 1 and a D- for rounds 2 to 7.
Mazur (2nd round 2021) was drafted by Yzerman and has done well at every level he's played.
The NA stuff you posted happened under Holland. How about we stop looking at what occurred under Ken and instead look at Steve's picks.
You also left off Cossa(1st round 2021 draft), Augustine(2nd round 2023 draft), and Danielson(1st round 2023) who were all drafted by Yzerman. Lombardi as well has shown decent play, I'd think if he makes it he projects as a 3rd line center with some 2nd line center reps.
Something else to consider is a LOT of Det's 2nd round or later picks have gone to Defensemen and Goalies. Both of which take much longer to develop, although we haven't had much luck with the C's drafted outside of the 1st.
Run the Jewels
Make Detroit Great Again
We'll have to wait and see. There hasn't been a single DRW draft pick out of NA since Yzerman took over who has played more than 2 NHL games and those were Chase Bradley and Donovan Sebrango. All we know for sure is we have nothing tangible to show for NA drafting in a very long time. Our last proven high-level NHL player out of NA was Dylan Larkin who was drafted in 2014.
Run the Jewels
Make Detroit Great Again
Legit criticisms of Yzerman:
- Should have fired Lalonde sooner.
- Should be more aggressive in replacing his NA scouts.
- Should be more aggressive in replacing his pro scouts.
saska sault
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Does improving point totals for 5 straight years prior to this season count as tangible ? Regardless of how you view draft picks, free agents, trades, franchise direction that must fit the definition of tangible. There are results despite your view of Yzerman.
Is there any superstar asking for a trade soon? Who is disgrunted? Who is the best FA in this year's class? Without signing top players or trading for ones, the streak of seasons without making playoffs will long continue.
