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Detroit Redwings Downfall

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WarriorofTime said:
What no they’d probably lose in like 5 or 6 and you’d say they were right there in the games and Yzerman has them way ahead of schedule because they had literally nothing in the organization in April of 2019.

Literal sweeps are pretty rare.
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If they make it, you'd say they backed in and are only there because the other teams folded. If they win 2 games, you'd say the other team only let them because they didn't take them serious and were trolling them.

Mind raping is fun!
 
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Czechboy said:
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I have no idea why 2008 is your cutoff line? But yes, all those losses got them to a Cup eventually. They were stellar at making playoffs. They usually had President's Trophy type teams and then shit the bed till they figured it out. I'd argue 2015 to 2017 had a big part in winning the Cup.

As you know, President's Trophy winners rarely win the Cup. It happens for sure but not as often as you'd think. Playoff hockey is a different beast. Some guys thrive and some guys disappear. Good to know which ones you have.
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Because 2008 was the first time they made the playoffs.

It then took them a decade to win the Cup. It seems that one season of playoff experience didn’t help them at all in winning a Cup.

Just like missing or making the playoffs this season, while would be nice, will jave no bearing on them winning the Cup in the future. Like 50%+ of this team won’t even be part of what the contender team looks like
 
I feel like I'm conversing with characters from the movie in 'Idiocracy'. The core is like 20 to 23 years old, but somehow missing the playoffs will forever ruin them and make them losers.

They are still growing. They are in the thick of the rebuild while competing for a WC slot. Some of their best prospects are not even in the NHL yet... but for some reason missing the playoffs means they will need to go scorched earth and start over because this core is DOOMED.
 
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Dotter said:
I feel like I'm conversing with characters from the movie in 'Idiocracy'. The core is like 20 to 23 years old, but somehow missing the playoffs will forever ruin them and make them losers.

They are still growing. They are in the thick of the rebuild while competing for a WC slot. Some of their best prospects are not even in the NHL yet... but for some reason missing the playoffs means they will need to go scorched earth and start over because this core is DOOMED.
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I do not think this thread is about "conversing". This is where people come to troll DRW fans. A down year presents a perfect opportunity for them to get that out of their system. We've been improving steadily over a few previous years, can you imagine the pent up need? Hence, the 3k+ posts, although I have to say a great deal of that is on us trying to have that "conversation", while the only thing the other side really needs is to get that bile out.
 
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Next offseason will be critical. After 2025-26, the only D man under contract is Seider. I assume Edvinsson and AlJo will get extensions. But all the veterans Petry (UFA this summer, likely retires), Chairot, Holl, Gustafsson are all gone. At that point the new D core should be ready with Seider, Edvinsson, ASP. Yzerman needs to add 1 or 2 quality D man in free agency or trade. To get those acquistions right is crucical
 
Ulysses31 said:
nah hes drafted extremely well
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Yzerman’s has been a victim of weak drafts. There were no elite 1D’s or elite 1C’s or elite Power Forwards available where he was picking. He’s drafted fine. His mistake is not trading prospects/ picks to get the needed elite players to build a winner around.
 
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Mr Hat said:
After the worst ownership, GM, coaching combo in Sens history we have one year of a decent owner, GM and coach and are ahead of the wings somehow.
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"Somehow"?
Ottawa drafted their core in 2015 (Chabot), 2017 (Batherson), 2018 (Tkachuk), 2019 (Pinto) and 2020 (Stützle, Sanderson). They've made multiple aggressive trades. In 2023 they didn't have a pick in the first 3 rounds and this year their prospect pool was ranked 31st in the league. That's something usually reserved for contenders.
Bad management or not, they're here because they've pushed all their chips into the middle.

Mr Hat said:
Looking at wings talent in AHL it’s league average as best.
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Overall their pool is still top 5-ish.

Boud said:
Clearly the plan was to be competitive at this stage.
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What does competitive mean? They missed the playoffs by a hair last season. That's pretty competitive, isn't it? Since the coaching change they're 15th in the league in pts%.
They've never gone all-in on competing in the short-term so there's no argument to be made that the plan was playoffs or bust or something of the sort.

Artaud said:
The problem with Detroit is precisely that they lack franchise players. They have a good group of solid youngsters, but not one of them is really elite in my opinion, and I think many would agree. Which is to say that even if that young core learns along the way to a 14th overall pick, their upside as a group is not a cup contender, so it doesn't really matter.
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How many ~23 and under players would you call elite? 2? 3? 4?

I think you're just forgetting how young most of these guys are still.

Fatass said:
His mistake is not trading prospects/ picks to get the needed elite players to build a winner around.
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Name the prospects he should have traded and for which player.
 
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Czechboy said:
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I have no idea why 2008 is your cutoff line? But yes, all those losses got them to a Cup eventually. They were stellar at making playoffs. They usually had President's Trophy type teams and then shit the bed till they figured it out. I'd argue 2015 to 2017 had a big part in winning the Cup.

As you know, President's Trophy winners rarely win the Cup. It happens for sure but not as often as you'd think. Playoff hockey is a different beast. Some guys thrive and some guys disappear. Good to know which ones you have.
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Ok, so why hasn't all this playoff experience done shit for the leafs? Yea, you're counterpoint is meaningless, much like this imagined playoff experience goalpost that ya all have switched to lately.
 
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Hockeyfan2390 said:
What's next?

"You know they don't care what their paying customers think of their underwhelming product either, right?"

Maybe they'll start to care when their bottom line starts getting hurt when fans decide that they shouldn't invest in them anymore if their goal is to endlessly kick the can down the road rather than get serious about winning.
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Weird... It still hasn't started yet.

Keep going though.
 
Pavels Dog said:
"Somehow"?
Ottawa drafted their core in 2015 (Chabot), 2017 (Batherson), 2018 (Tkachuk), 2019 (Pinto) and 2020 (Stützle, Sanderson). They've made multiple aggressive trades. In 2023 they didn't have a pick in the first 3 rounds and this year their prospect pool was ranked 31st in the league. That's something usually reserved for contenders.
Bad management or not, they're here because they've pushed all their chips into the middle.


Overall their pool is still top 5-ish.


What does competitive mean? They missed the playoffs by a hair last season. That's pretty competitive, isn't it? Since the coaching change they're 15th in the league in pts%.
They've never gone all-in on competing in the short-term so there's no argument to be made that the plan was playoffs or bust or something of the sort.


How many ~23 and under players would you call elite? 2? 3? 4?

I think you're just forgetting how young most of these guys are still.


Name the prospects he should have traded and for which player.
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How did Vegas get Eichel?
 
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Fatass said:
Yzerman’s has been a victim of weak drafts. There were no elite 1D’s or elite 1C’s or elite Power Forwards available where he was picking. He’s drafted fine. His mistake is not trading prospects/ picks to get the needed elite players to build a winner around.
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You don't trade for those in the current position unless you get something "for free" or something pops up "cheap". They got DeBrincat, which is similar to Zuccarello a very servicable top six guy.

Whether you like it or not, more prospects needs to be given time to get into the team as they are building through the draft. At that point when they do, then you start thinking more about that stuff. Though, one have to get a couple of players in 2nd or later rounds like Dallas have done. It cannot only be 1st rounders, even though it is super important to hit on them as well.
 
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SirKillalot said:
You don't trade for those in the current position unless you get something "for free" or something pops up "cheap". They got DeBrincat, which is similar to Zuccarello a very servicable top six guy.

Whether you like it or not, more prospects needs to be given time to get into the team as they are building through the draft. At that point when they do, then you start thinking more about that stuff. Though, one have to get a couple of players in 2nd or later rounds like Dallas have done. It cannot only be 1st rounders, even though it is super important to hit on them as well.
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Building through the draft (imo) is more than just keeping those picks and prospects. It’s a combination of keeping some of the prospects (and picks) while using others to acquire missing pieces. And the Wings are missing elite players in important roles. Recent Cup winners Vegas, and Florida traded (and signed UFAs) to get those key guys. Debrincat is a good player but he’s not a key piece to winning.
 
Artaud said:
It's bad faith to equate playoff race and actual playoffs.

No matter how many times a team is in the mix, unless they get a taste of the actual thing, they will have no playoff experience when they finally are in the playoffs, and that matters.

Furthermore, being in the race only to repeatedly fall short sets the precedent of a losing culture.

A pick in the 10-16 range is not super valuable, as the hit rate is not great and the lottery odds are near zero. Franchise-saving talent is rarely drafted in that range. The consolation prize is not worth more than a playoff ticket.

The problem with Detroit is precisely that they lack franchise players. They have a good group of solid youngsters, but not one of them is really elite in my opinion, and I think many would agree. Which is to say that even if that young core learns along the way to a 14th overall pick, their upside as a group is not a cup contender, so it doesn't really matter.

What they really need is a top 5 pick, or at least to hit a homerun elsewhere in the draft. But their drafting philosophy has leaned towards high-floor players rather than homerun swings, as if they had the elite players already and needed depth pieces to round out the roster. We'll see how the cards fall in a few years. My bet is stagnation.
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This is like vaccine denial at this point. No, that’s not the issue with Detroit. At all. The problem is the depth is horrible and AHL tier because Yzerman keeps signing terrible free agents. The problem is not franchise 1D Seider, which, yes, is exactly what he is.
 
bert said:
What? Lol can't tell if you're serious here. Players on other lines can drive the play. Debrincat does not.
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He absolutely does and you are losing all your credibility posting this patently false thing over and over. Maybe he wasn’t a play driver in Ottawa - fine. This year in Detroit he absolutely is and there’s zero argument against that.
 
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