Detroit Redwings Downfall

[Sens9292]

Retool again ? Ottawa is the definition of retooling year after year. Rather miss the playoffs and retool for longevity vs trading for assets that won’t be part of that “retool.”

Sounds like another excuse for another year of failure. “Rather miss the playoffs”

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

Imagine giving up assets to miss the playoffs while Detroit stands pat and keeps their prospects. I can’t wait for the actual Yzerplan to come knocking, bc it’s coming.

Can't wait for Nate Danielson and his 8 goals in 60 AHL games. Look out, NHL!

 

[SirKillalot]

Can't wait for Nate Danielson and his 8 goals in 60 AHL games. Look out, NHL!

Luckily Connor Bedard's opinion means more than yours.

 

[Frobbo]

Both would have been good adds at the right price. Criticizing Yzerman for kicking tires and not being willing to overpay seems nitpicky.

Trouba and Stamkos additions seem too much like so many of his other pro scouting mis-steps. Kick the tires by all means but the idea of adding either of these players at anywhere near the cost/term that they received...ugh. Feels like they were considering more of the same.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Trouba and Stamkos additions seem too much like so many of his other pro scouting mis-steps. Kick the tires by all means but the idea of adding either of these players at anywhere near the cost/term that they received...ugh. Feels like they were considering more of the same.

RE: Wings
I watched about 1/2 the game last night and Sens sure knocked the Wings around the ice. A Trouba on the roster would have offset that physicality.

 

[Hotsam Batcho]

Props to Edvisson for fighting Brady, but that was Brady sticking up for Stützle. How did no one go after Brady for mauling Raymond? Detroit gets bullied, no one does anything about it.

And the answer is.... Nooooooobody

 

[Mr Hat]

Retool again ? Ottawa is the definition of retooling year after year. Rather miss the playoffs and retool for longevity vs trading for assets that won’t be part of that “retool.”

So when I say our previous GM and owner were morons I guess you don’t understand. After the worst ownership, GM, coaching combo in Sens history we have one year of a decent owner, GM and coach and are ahead of the wings somehow. Looking at wings talent in AHL it’s league average as best. At least Sens have excuse of a crazy cheap owner and GM and coaches who are assistants at best during FYOUS. But the yzerplan is somehow worse than the monstrosity that is Ottawa which deserves a round of applause.

 

[SensFactor]

I expect the Wings to quietly and respectfully approach Yzerman in the offseason to step aside and join another management position. He's an all-time legend, but I see change brewing.

 

[saska sault]

I expect the Wings to quietly and respectfully approach Yzerman in the offseason to step aside and join another management position. He's an all-time legend, but I see change brewing.

That's not going to happen. Maybe he gets pressured after next season... maybe... still doubtful. Listen to the media availability after last year, pre this season and post deadline and it's clear there was not a push to make the playoffs but if it happened, they would be over joyed.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

I expect the Wings to quietly and respectfully approach Yzerman in the offseason to step aside and join another management position. He's an all-time legend, but I see change brewing.

The unlikeliest of scenarios to be honest.

 

[Mr Nogatco]

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And the answer is.... Nooooooobody

Embarrassing

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Well wings best prospect is ASP and he hasn't played in NA yet. Well see how he translates his game. Danielson and MBN are safer prospects, but ASP has a game breaking ceiling.

 

[SirloinUB]

I expect the Wings to quietly and respectfully approach Yzerman in the offseason to step aside and join another management position. He's an all-time legend, but I see change brewing.

Steve Staois is on a hotter seat than Steve Yzerman.

To be clear that is no way shape or form a knock on Staios (He been pretty damn good) but rather a comment on how much job security Yzerman has right now, for better or worse.

 

[bert]

Just say you never watch the team. DBC 100% drives play and is by far the best player on his line, and is probably our second-best forward, better than Larkin (this season at least). He also works very hard defensively and is rarely out of position.

It's really funny how much people just assume based on a player's height. He's 5'8" so of course he's a one-dimensional winger who plays the perimeter.

If Alex DeBrincat was 6'1" and 200lbs and played the exact same way, he would be seen as a reliable 2-way 200ft 60-70pt 35 goal scorer and that's easily worth 8M. His size does not impair him and he doesn't get pushed around.

Not an Yzerman defender. Dude has been a bad GM. But the DeBrincat trade was exceptional.

I have had the opportunity to watch Debrincat plenty. 82 times and 30 + live on Ottawa. I also watch Detroit quite a bit. Raymond drives the play, Larkin drives the play. Debrincat does not. Yes if he was bigger he would be way better. I even said they took Ottawa to the cleaners on the deal. That doesnt change what he is.

 

[bert]

Strange that a small, undersized winger who doesn’t produce at an elite level won the Conn Smythe just 2 seasons ago then isn’t it…. (Playing against Bennett to boot)

I even said in the right situation that player can thrive making 5 to 6 million............. I dont see the Eichel to the Debrincat in Detroit sadly. If they had one then this thread doesnt exist.

 

[RedHawkDown]

I have had the opportunity to watch Debrincat plenty. 82 times and 30 + live on Ottawa. I also watch Detroit quite a bit. Raymond drives the play, Larkin drives the play. Debrincat does not. Yes if he was bigger he would be way better. I even said they took Ottawa to the cleaners on the deal. That doesnt change what he is.

Debrincat has been flat out better than Larkin this year and it’s not even a question. If you think Larkin is driving play and DBC isn’t this season, you aren’t watching the same hockey the rest of us are.

 

[RedHawkDown]

I even said in the right situation that player can thrive making 5 to 6 million............. I dont see the Eichel to the Debrincat in Detroit sadly. If they had one then this thread doesnt exist.

5-6 million for a 65 pt 30-35 goal scorer is insane and you know it lol. Andrew Copp makes 5.5 million.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Sounds like another excuse for another year of failure. “Rather miss the playoffs”

this is a big thing in the Canucks fanbase too for some reason: Perpetual rebuild as the ideal scenario.

I guess in Detriots case there's a question whether they have corner stones to build around, but once you get some of them you have to try to win or you'll never build a culture.

Theres so much parity that culture really has as big an effect on being a successful team than ever before. Sometimes a rebuild is necessary (obviously) but once you accept losing its really hard to turn the ship around, even when you get the talent.

 

[Golden_Jet]

5-6 million for a 65 pt 30-35 goal scorer is insane and you know it lol. Andrew Copp makes 5.5 million.

Ya no idea what SY was thinking on that one.

 

[Fatass]

Well wings best prospect is ASP and he hasn't played in NA yet. Well see how he translates his game. Danielson and MBN are safer prospects, but ASP has a game breaking ceiling.

Erik Karlsson ceiling and Erik Brannstrom floor?

 

[saska sault]

Ya no idea what SY was thinking on that one.

Compher looks to be the more problematic signing, Copp isn't a sexy player but he is very useful in his spot at least.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

I expect the Wings to quietly and respectfully approach Yzerman in the offseason to step aside and join another management position. He's an all-time legend, but I see change brewing.

Doubtful, as the McLelland hire indicated an organizational acceptance of Yzerman's long-term mediocrity.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Ya no idea what SY was thinking on that one.

21g, 53pts(18pts in 16 games after the deadline deal) in 21-22. On pace for another 20+g, 55pts season the previous year. Plus another 14pts in 20 playoff games for a 3rd rd Rangers team in 2022, and 28 years old. That's why he got $5.5, if you go by the rule of thumb where every 10pts is worth $1m on the cap.

While owners will win in CBA negotiations, wanted players win in individual negotiations.

It's easy to not be in the game and say this or that contract is stupid. Most of the time, you're right. I would bet even the GMs know that the contracts they offer, many of them are stupid, and will not age well. However, their job is to acquire talent and win. If a GM hands out a 6 year deal to a UFA, he's hoping to get 2 good years out of it. Maybe 3, if he's good. If too many contracts fail, he's fired, and the mess is someone else's problem. You can only get who is available though. Are there better players than Copp for whatever role the Wings got him for? Probably. Could you get them as easily as you could Copp? Probably not. So you roll the dice with who you got, and Copp has not been worth the contract for even a year yet, and he's likely passed the two best years he was going to have.

The point is, you can never truly trust players. Either to show up on any given night, or not check out after they get paid. Same reason coaches do "stupid" things, as their fate, along with a GM's, is tied to player performance. You can't trade 20 players, as the saying goes.

 

[qcal1427]

Two straight years where a playoff spot is on the line with other bubble teams floundering and two straight years where DET has floundered the most.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Ya no idea what SY was thinking on that one.

Red Wings under McLellan with Copp in the lineup: 1.52 points per game with wins against Washington, Winnipeg, Ottawa, Florida, Tampa, LAK, Oil, Flames, Nucks.

Red Wings under McLellan with Copp out of the lineup: 0.63 points per game.

No one is going to confuse Copp with McDavid, but he gave the team NHL quality depth down the middle.