I mean maybe, but if it were me I wouldn’t wanna trade with the canucks. There are a lot more teams that would be better options for the red wings. I don’t think we would want pettersson with how he’s played.
I'm not trying to be an A-hole in saying this, but I don't understand why the Wings traded Hronek... He was great last year but I think he's been even better this season. Hronek was 25 when the deal went down, seemingly could've fit in long-term.
I think when it happened many in Van thought Yzerman was smart so Hronek must not actually be good & therefore Allvin must be dumb trading a 1st for him, but in hindsight he is that good & it was just a good acquisition. I'm not really sure why Yzerman moved him if they are trying to compete. He hasn't exactly done well in free agency with the space Fil would've taken up.
I think when it happened many in Van thought Yzerman was smart so Hronek must not actually be good & therefore Allvin must be dumb trading a 1st for him, but in hindsight he is that good & it was just a good acquisition. I'm not really sure why Yzerman moved him if they are trying to compete. He hasn't exactly done well in free agency with the space Fil would've taken up.
As a red wings fan I’d much much rather have ASP than Hronek. I didn’t like hroneks time here. I just do not like the style of player he is. So yeah I love that trade.
Interesting. Prime age top pair RHD are hard to get, so I'm happy with it too. Glad Wings fans are also happy then, win-win.
Now I think you’d have a very fair argument if ASP hadn’t been drafted and developed so nicely. Even though I was kind of a hronek hater if they traded him and the person they picked looked like a bust it would be seen as pretty questionable. But ASP looks to have elite talent and is also a RD so it’s looking great so far. I just don’t really like the way Hronek plays though so I was happy to get rid of him for quality assets at the time.
That's fair. Hronek's fit very well here, maybe elevated his game a bit from where it was in Detroit. Getting a guy like ASP back is certainly great at that pick so, if you we're down on Hronek then win-win.
Asp will be better than him roughly 5 years after the trade. I don't doubt Asp will be a very good nhler but he's at least two more years away from being a Hronek replacement. When Hronek was traded he was a .5ppg NHL dman playing well over 20 a night. Asp has yet to play in NHL. Trade was in March of 2023.
He didn't replace him in 2023/24
He didn't replace him 2024/25
He won't be better than him in 2025/26 as a rookie
Maybe, in a best case scenario, he will be better than him in 2026/27
Since the trade..
TOI is over 23!
Asp has yet to play a NHL game. And I don't thin he is over .58 ppg next season playing over 23 a night as a rookie.
I do think he has the potential to be better. 100% But he won't be a Hronek replacement for at least 2 more years. Really makes me question the word 'replacement'. Trading a guy and waiting 4 to 5 year for hm to replace a player is a funny concept to me. I do think Asp is going to be amazing though.
We are a rebuilding team, ASP fits our timeline much much better. Not sure what your point is. And ASP definitely has a higher ceiling than Hronek does, and he has elite offensive traits.
Talbot really fell off the past 10 or so games. Had some really bad games that cost us. There were games we outshot opponents 2/1 but gave up like 4 goals.
As a Sens fan I find this shocking!
He lost us way more games than he stole.
Reverse can be said for Ullmark.
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My point was that he will replace him in 5 years. Trading for a guy and waiting 5 years for him to replace your player is a weird concept. I've only ever seen it used on the Yzerplan threads to be honest. Can you give me another example of a trade where fans waited 5 years to declare victory?
As far as offensive celing.. time will tell. I promise I'll post when he's over 20TOI and over .5ppg for full seasons. I don't think that is soon though.
And I like Asp. I was hoping for a late season call up if his Swedish team gets eliminated or a World Championship birth in April if they don't. Agree, skies the limit... 2027/28 should be very good for him!
So you already got one reply like this... but as an Oiler fan.. I've seen this too.lol I loved Talbot for us but then he'd go quiet or flat out bad. Yet he seems to have such a calm demaneour and is a great guy. Maybe he doesn't like pressure? FTR.. I like Wing's tandem more than the Oilers tandem. Curious how much more of Petr we see. He was great in a Canes playoff push years ago and I didn't miss a game. I may become a Wing's fan if this keeps up! East wildcard playoff battle is amazing!
Well the goal of a trade isn’t to win it while the other team loses, most GMs make trades that make sense for both teams to be better. Hronek would have helped us in the short term but long term ASP raises our ceiling quite a bit more. I get you’re a Czech guy so you’re biased a little bit but you need to understand our goal of that trade wasn’t to win the trade the next day.
Hes basically played at a 30 goal 60 point pace the last 3 months. As a 20 year old just getting his feet wet. While being awesome defensively and tough to play against.
Talbot and Lyon were both playing well earlier in the season. They definitely stole games for the Wings. Lately, both have been playing worse.
Yzerman made, what I think was the correct move, and realized the team's window for contention was going to be further down the road. Perhaps more so than they had previously assumed. Moving Hronek, when we have Seider, was a prudent move. As others have said already, it seems like a good hockey trade for both parties. Not sure there are many Wings fans who are no excited with ASPs development.
I'm definitely bias and that is undenibale.lol However, you won't be winning the trade the next day, or the next year or the next year after that.
Also, till ASP cracks .5 ppgs at 1 or 2RD he is still not a sure thing. The bar is set to be better than Hronek. 38 points in 60 games and over 20 a night in top 4.
Like I say, I do think he'll get there but HF will crash sbout a dozen more times before that happens.
If I am to speculate why the trade was made, I do not think that Hronek being "too old" is a believable explanation. People may agree with Yzerman's approach, or not (I happen to agree with it), but Stevie is not a "blow it all up and rebuild from the ashes" kind of GM. My best guess is they were thinking of how well the player fits on the team, and Hronek was clearly outplayed for #1RD role by Seider, and he was not going to be happy as a #2RD.
ASP could NOT have been the plan to replace Hronek, nobody knew how the draft would play out. At the time of the trade it was an even trade. Most of his career with DRW Hronek was often unreliable and chaotic, but had promise and improved a bit the year he was traded. Our Hronek for mid-1st is fair. That's the evaluation at the time of the trade.
Later, when Hronek showed much improved game in Vancouver, but before ASP emerged as one of the top D prospects, it looked like a loss for the Wings.
Later yet, ASP kept on improving and it started to look like an even trade again. Perhaps now trending towards a win.
I have to ask.. do you think ASP will supplant Seider and move Seider to 2RD? I'm a big Seider fan and don't see anyone taking his 1RD minutes any season soon... only about 4 or 5 guys I'd put ahead of him in the entire NHL on D.
FTR.. I LOVE that trade. Hronek and Hughes is a thing of beauty. I just get pissy when I hear he is a Hronek replacement.
Here was the D scoring when Hronek was there in 2023
Here is the next season
He replaced Hronek with Petry. That is a loss.
I just don't like the 'we drafted a guy that will replace him in 5 years' argument. That is some 3D chess if Stevie Y know on March 1st, 2023 that he'd get a guy to replace Hronek in 2027.
That's probably Yzerman's rebuild timeline. I think when one of Cossa and/or Augustine hit and prove to be a legit starter, it's GO time. I think that is when you start seeing Yzerman being more aggressive in trades and UFA signings.
Hired in April 2019
Traded Hronek for Asp in March 2023 (and replaced him with Petry)
Drafted 2 very promising goalies along the way
Ready to roll in 2028 (5 years after trading Hronek)
Does appear to be the plan.
Are you just unfamiliar with what rebuilding teams do? They trade off players that they don't see fitting into either A. their timeline and/or B. the team they are attempting to put together, for future assets. That the Wings happened to draft a RHD with the pick they got for Hronek is just coincidental. Pretend the Danielson and ASP picks were made with the other selection and this whole thing is a non-issue.
