Detroit Redwings Downfall

[CokenoPepsi]

They were losing pace with Cat on his hot streak...now he due for a cold streak.

Not looking good

Yzerfail

 

[Dotter]

yzRfaLe

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

yzRfaLe

Oh, Detroit's firmly in a playoff spot in year 6 of Yzerman?

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

They’ve also got several injuries along with Larkin/Raymond likely playing through something. Not sure why you don’t say it’s Ottawa’s ”true colors” when they’re injured and slumping.

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All your top and valuable players are literally on pace to play 80 or more games, lol. The most anyone in almost your entire roster has missed is 10 games or so. Lol.

Look at your goal differential last 4 years. Only last year was respectable. The others years, atrocious, near the worst of the league. Even this year a brutal -21. 2nd worst in the entire conference.

 

[NVious]

Everybody knows Yzerman really starts cooking in his second decade, just a few more years and the #DynastyBegins

 

[13to40]

Not sure how there is a downfall if they were at rock bottom and have been slowly progressing year after year.

I think people forget how the mortgaged the future in order to make a historic consecutive year after year playoff streak.

Some bad drafting and holding onto the “streak” for too long left the team with literally 0 prospects of value.

Fast forward to 2024-2025 season… every red wings fan was hoping for them to make the playoffs; bad start to the year under ex-coach Lalonde (who if I may add was always a stopgap coach. This team wasn’t ready to win anything under his tenure in Detroit), Lalonde gets fired and the team gets fired up with Todd back behind the bench.

Fast track to today (March 8, 2025) this team despite a horrible losing streak is still in the hunt for a playoff spot and is still just a couple of points out. There is still a fair chance of them finally getting back into the playoffs.

In all honesty as a red wings fan, patience are running low and it would be nice for this team to finally be back in the same form as they were in the early 2000s and late 90s, but the league has changed since those days. Drafting and developing is the winning recipe. So far drafting has been very above average. The prospect pool which was once empty is now looking pretty full with some neat talents. Developing is in progress, this team is still a few years out from making noise in the playoffs, but making I this year would be a tremendous success, but I’m not surprised if come the second week of April, there is no post season games for this team to play.

…you people need to be patient and realistic with expectations… Like a bunch of junior high students getting upset when the senior girl denies you at a school dance….

 

[Nogatco Rd]

yzRfaLe

Looks kinda like nylander

 

[Pavels Dog]

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All your top and valuable players are literally on pace to play 80 or more games, lol. The most anyone in almost your entire roster has missed is 10 games or so. Lol.

We're talking about the last 5 games - i.e. the reason you're posting in this thread after not being seen here for 2 months. Losing Copp, Rasmussen, Mazur (right after being called up), along with Raymond+Larkin either dealing with injuries or just 4-nations exhaustion has been a major factor in the team not being better in this stretch.

Look at your goal differential last 4 years. Only last year was respectable. The others years, atrocious, near the worst of the league. Even this year a brutal -21. 2nd worst in the entire conference.

They dug themselves into a hole under Lalonde. +/- 0 under McLellan. Why is what happened 4 years ago with a completely different roster and coach more relevant than the last 3 months?

 

[Chabots Outie]

It was nice of them to celebrate the Sens win so hard yesterday

 

[Bozo Nicholson]

Looks kinda like nylander

Alternate timeline Willy

 

[Czechboy]

This thread wins the which Yzerplan thread lasts longer race.lol.

Wings can still get in but last night had to hurt. I noticed kasper has gone quite cold. Maybe he heats up

 

[Dotter]

This thread wins the which Yzerplan thread lasts longer race.lol.

Wings can still get in but last night had to hurt. I noticed kasper has gone quite cold. Maybe he heats up

Gone cold executing, but he's been lights out physically. He had some exciting jaw dropping moves last night and was very noticeable. He went full-on beast mode, but didn't execute.

When he grows into his NHL body, he will be impossible to contain.

 

[saska sault]

It was nice of them to celebrate the Sens win so hard yesterday

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Im a die hard Wings fan but this is hilarious. Touche.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Post in thread 'When does the Yzerplan start getting criticized?'

Yesterday at 7:08 AM

Every rebuild is different. It's very difficult to compare Columbus to Detroit. Arguing that they started in 2022 is one of the most silly things I've ever heard, but even if you want to do that it's objectively true that they started from a completely different spot than Detroit in 2019. If Yzerman had prime Panarin, Bob, Werenski, Jones, PLD in his lineup in 2019 do you really not think Detroit's in a different place right now?


I'm not sure basing the entire outlook on Cayden Lindstrom is what you want to be doing. Again, the rebuilds are different and Detroit doesn't have one...

• BB88

Fantilli their future franchise 1C is playing his 1st full season and Mateychuk is just starting to get his feet wet in the NHL, Johnson is 22y. Meanwhile Larkin is at the peak of his prime already and he is what he is.

Edvinsson their future franchise 1D is playing his 1st full season and Kasper is just starting to get his feet wet in the NHL, Raymond is 22y. Meanwhile, Werenski is at the peak of his prime already and he is what he is.

You can frame these things any way you want by cherrypicking. Bottom line is Columbus has a bright outlook but Detroit does too. It's not an either/or situation. You prefer Columbus? That's fine. Your argument falls really flat when you claim Detroit has no help in the pipeline though.

From 16-17 season to 19-20 seasons Columbus made the playoffs every year.
2018 Columbus drafted at 18th overall, 2019 they didn’t have a 1st round pick, the year they went all in at the deadline, 2020 they drafted at 21st overall. They weren’t a rebuilding team before Detroit was. In Detroit it started in 2017 and Y came in 2019.

Detroit's rebuild started earlier but it started essentially from scratch and whether by luck or by design, Columbus has gotten higher picks which speeds things up.

You also act like Y didn’t have their 1C already in place when he got there and not even in his prime yet. He hasn’t even had to figure out the most important position and we are year 6 and he’s still battling to even get into the playoffs in a pathetic WC race

It's always funny that the only time Larkin's held up as this bonafide superstar player is when someone wants to make a strawman argument about the Red Wings rebuild taking a long time. Any other time? He's an okay 1C at best.

Legitimately, do you expect every team with a Larkin-caliber player to automatically make the playoffs every year? Should any team with a Larkin be a contender? Or would you agree that there's a lot more to building a successful team than having a Larkin?

Sure rebuilds are different, good rebuild don’t take 10 years to make. You just always love to use the badly done rebuilds as an example and ignore all the better done rebuilds.

So name a significantly faster rebuild that wasn't 99% massive lottery luck. I'll wait.

A fact is this is at the end of year 6 for Y and he has absolutely nothing to show for it and there are multiple rebuilding/young teams in the league who have a better looking future than Detroit. Y is buildin a good team, not a great team

What would be "something to show for it"? A 1st round exit? Cayden Lindstrom? Honestly, what would count in your eyes?

 

[Chabots Outie]

Im a die hard Wings fan but this is hilarious. Touche.

Wings played an awesome game, though. That was next level of being ‘Goalie’d’. Super unfortunate that when you finally get one by, it was just a second too late.

 

[Adrianopolous]

They are not a well constructed team

 

[Alex Jones]

Yeaaaah…

This is two TDLs in a row that Detroit should have done something to stay in the hunt. Two off seasons in a row they didn’t.

I’m not a fan of GMSY right now.

I don't know why staying in the hunt matters. To me problem in Detroit is this....Larkin turns 29 this year. IMO right now he's a borderline guy right now as to whether you can win a cup with him as your 1C. Even best case scenario the window for Detroit starts in maybe 2-3 years, I don't see how that works out when your top line center at the start of your window is 31/32 years old.

IMO the best option for the Red Wings is not to worry about winning and simply prioritize the development of Danielson/Kasper, where they end up will control where this rebuild goes. If they end up as #3's this rebuild is cooked. Detroit is going to have to pay a high price to bring in a #2 center, and that still doesn't fix their issue at the 1C spot. If one (or both) of them can drive enough offense to be a #2 Detroit can probably have a short contention window. Window will probably be "until Larkin can't carry the load of a #1". We don't know how long this will be, but I can't see it being over 2-3 years. If one or both of them can somehow become a #1 that allows you to move Larkin to the #2 and you're probably in a 7-8 year contention window considering how young most of the Detroit core is.

 

[Czechboy]

If, and it's a big if, they don't by make it. That will be 9 years in a row which would be a new red wings record.

 

[Lt Dan]

Man it blows my mind how streaky Todd McLellan teams are . I was intitally wondering if it was just with the Kings but man the koala needs to iron out these peaks and valleys.

 

[zenator]

Detoit looked good playing with desperation in a must-win situation last night. The Sens couldn't match that, which is understandable as it wasn't a must-win.

The team is reasonably good, it has talent. Yes, the bottom pairing on D, and some depth NHL vets are meh, but that's the case with most teams. I'd say that a good to great goalie would have helped a lot, instead of their collection of average to bad goalies.

I know they're waiting for their top 2 goalie prospects, but that is risky. You can't bank on goalies for certain. Either of them could end up anywhere from bad to great. They needed a good vet to bridge the gap.

They should have grabbed an Ullmark, Thompson, or Stolarz. For example, Woll was good in the playoffs last year, but that didn't prevent TO from getting Stolarz. Same with Lindgren (good season overall) / Thompson.

 

[ViD]

I would say the Wings were extremely unlucky against Columbus in WC and yesterday against Ottawa

Pretty heartbreaking late third period goals to lose

 

[Cursed Lemon]

I'd just like to point something out.

Red Wings top draft picks 2005-2018:

• 2005 - Kindl
• 2006 - Emmerton
• 2007 - Smith
• 2008 - McCollum
• 2009 - Ferraro
• 2010 - Sheahan
• 2011 - Jurco
• 2012 - Frk (dealt our first for Kyle f***ing Quincey that ended up being VASILEVSKIY)
• 2013 - Mantha
• 2014 - Larkin
• 2015 - Svechnikov
• 2016 - Cholowski
• 2017 - Rasmussen
• 2018 - Veleno / Zadina

Players that went after the listed picks:

• 2005 - Tuukka Rask, TJ Oshie
• 2006 - Milan Lucic, Brad Marchand
• 2007 - PK Subban, Wayne Simmonds
• 2008 - Jacob Markstrom, Roman Josi
• 2009 - Ryan O'Reilly, Jakob Silvferberg
• 2010 - Evgeny Kuznetsov, Brock Nelson
• 2011 - Nikita Kucherov, Brandon Saad
• 2012 - Freddie Anderson, Connor Hellebuyck
• 2013 - Tristan Jerry, Jake Guentzel
• 2014 - Larkin obviously a good pick, on the other hand, Pastrnak and Demko
• 2015 - Brock Boeser, Sebastian Aho
• 2016 - Tage Thompson, Alex DeBrincat
• 2017 - Jason Robertson, Stuart Skinner
• 2018 - Quinn Hughes, Evan Bouchard

The Red Wings tankathon started a long, long time ago.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

I'd just like to point something out.

Red Wings top draft picks 2005-2018:

• 2005 - Kindl
• 2006 - Emmerton
• 2007 - Smith
• 2008 - McCollum
• 2009 - Ferraro
• 2010 - Sheahan
• 2011 - Jurco
• 2012 - Frk (dealt our first for Kyle f***ing Quincey that ended up being VASILEVSKIY)
• 2013 - Mantha
• 2014 - Larkin
• 2015 - Svechnikov
• 2016 - Cholowski
• 2017 - Rasmussen
• 2018 - Veleno / Zadina

Players that went after the listed picks:

• 2005 - Tuukka Rask, TJ Oshie
• 2006 - Milan Lucic, Brad Marchand
• 2007 - PK Subban, Wayne Simmonds
• 2008 - Jacob Markstrom, Roman Josi
• 2009 - Ryan O'Reilly, Jakob Silvferberg
• 2010 - Evgeny Kuznetsov, Brock Nelson
• 2011 - Nikita Kucherov, Brandon Saad
• 2012 - Freddie Anderson, Connor Hellebuyck
• 2013 - Tristan Jerry, Jake Guentzel
• 2014 - Larkin obviously a good pick, on the other hand, Pastrnak and Demko
• 2015 - Brock Boeser, Sebastian Aho
• 2016 - Tage Thompson, Alex DeBrincat
• 2017 - Jason Robertson, Stuart Skinner
• 2018 - Quinn Hughes, Evan Bouchard

The Red Wings tankathon started a long, long time ago.

I mean, Hellebuyck went 130th overall. You can literally do this for every single team in the league.

Why didn't the Wings take Hellebuyck? Are they stupid?

 

[Cursed Lemon]

I mean, Hellebuyck went 130th overall. You can literally do this for every single team in the league.

Why didn't the Wings take Hellebuyck? Are they stupid?

Why didn't the Wings hit on one, literally just one of those players?

Yes, they were stupid.

 

[Michoulicious]

That loss against Ottawa was crushing...

Ottawa is becoming the Detroit grimreaper it seems.