Detroit Redwings Downfall

[Ulysses31]

A big thing you gotta consider when chasing big name UFAs is that they destroy an internal cap.

It seems pretty evident that the hold up with Seider, and the reason he didn't get an 8th year, was because they weren't going to let him make more than Larkin's $8.7M.

It's hard to tell the next group of guys "You don't get to make more than X" when you throw $12.5M at a Rantanen or a Marner. Not to mention it probably pisses off a guy like Seider who was likely told you can't make more than Larkin did, but then you turn around and give some outsider $4M/year more.

... All this aside from the fact that I think giving a UFA winger $12.5M/year is stupid in the first place lol.

think my offer would be about be around 10 or 11, being as they are marginally better players than larkin. if they signed for that huge of a discount i dont think any of seider, raymond, or larkin would feel slighted considering amount of $ left on table

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

think my offer would be about be around 10 or 11, being as they are marginally better players than larkin. if they signed for that huge of a discount i dont think any of seider, raymond, or larkin would feel slighted considering amount of $ left on table

Yeah... Neither of them is doing that haha.

 

[thefutures]

Marco kasper playing OUTSTANDING in January

 

[Ulysses31]

Yeah... Neither of them is doing that haha.

well obviously. I said that clearly above.

 

[J15]

guy way too eager to blow money on ufa superstar imo.

1) spits in eye of every player who took team friendly contracts like larkin raymond n seider did

So we can't sign any UFAs because it might offend Larkin, Raymond, or Seider? Every UFA is going to have inflated contracts not just the superstars.

2) even with tavares took a team friendly deal with the leafs he has still underperformed his contract (1mil or 2 Imo)

First of all, pointing to a bad free agent signing is not an argument against all free agent signings. The Leafs were right to sign Tavares. Sure they completely choked their cup window away, but they were right for at least trying to go for it.

3) related to 1)good luck getting decent rfa contracts in future

Future contracts are going to be dictated by market value across the league, not what players on the current roster are making.

4) also related to 1) core players will make drw pay out the nose when contracts up

Players will try and maximize the money they make regardless. Do you really think Yzerman is going to walk into his negotiation with Edvinsson's agent and say "we didn't sign Mitch Marner to a 14M AAV contract" and Edvinsson's agent will reply "yes good point, we will now lower our ask".

5) IMO hone what you got, sign ufa players who wanna b here to team friendly contracts, whether they 4th liners to superstars or players late in careers wanting to win

All fine but what happens when you've signed all the team friendly contracts that players want to sign and you still have 20M in cap space left over? Are we just not going to spend to the cap because we couldn't find enough players willing to take discounts? Fans don't celebrate good contracts because we saved the owner some money. The entire benefit of having contracts like Larkin, Raymond, and Seider is that we can now afford to go out and sign elite talent in FA.

6) longevity and patience soundest bet on trying to make a winner (SY obv alrdy knows that)

Mo Seider was drafted 6 years ago. The core is entering their prime. You have more quality prospects and picks than you will ever be able to fit in your roster. You have one of the best cap situations in the NHL. At some point you need to hit the gas and turn those organization advantages into on ice wins.

 

[nbwingsfan]

A lot of the criticism in this thread has been people calling the Wings as a mid team when they are playing to they best, saying they don't have the elite pieces to be a contender and don't have the ways to get them.

So a mid team being in a wildcard spot isn't super surprising.

They are the best team in the league since the coaching change by record.

Raymond is top 20 in scoring

Seider is pacing for 50pts playing 25mins a game.

Both U24…. No elite talent?

We have like a billion prospects

No way to acquire top talent?

Okay guy

 

[Czechboy]

All these celebratory backflips after being in a wildcard spot for about 24 hours. Amazing stuff.

Marco kasper playing OUTSTANDING in January

Just to be clear, I've also posted other Rono cards that are praising Wing's players and yes I know some people hate the cards. 12 points in 16 games is quite good for a rookie!

 

[thefutures]

All these celebratory backflips after being in a wildcard spot for about 24 hours. Amazing stuff.



Just to be clear, I've also posted other Rono cards that are praising Wing's players and yes I know some people hate the cards. 12 points in 16 games is quite good for a rookie!

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Don't think it has anything to do with being in a wildcard spot, and more to do with making fun of people that questioned the entire rebuild cause of a bad 2 months of hockey. BTW yzerman by his own words said this team should be competing for wild card before the season and after firing Lalonde, so why shouldn't ppl be happy? Keep moving the goalposts about where this team is supposed to be based on your feelings about the GM.

 

[theVladiator]

All these celebratory backflips after being in a wildcard spot for about 24 hours. Amazing stuff.

A downfall that ends in a backflip is a good kind of downfall I say.

Just to be clear, I've also posted other Rono cards that are praising Wing's players and yes I know some people hate the cards. 12 points in 16 games is quite good for a rookie!

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Have no issues with critique of our players. That said, not sure I buy this one. The card appears to use data over the whole year, so is weighed heavily towards the first 2/3 spent on the 4th line. First of all, that is hardly a rebuttal of Kasper doing extremely well in January (which was the reason you quoted this card). Second, with Kasper clearly having improved his analytics in the larger role in January, the results covering the whole year cannot be used to assert Kasper "needs to be better" still (this was the point of the embedded X post).