Detroit Redwings Downfall

[Czechboy]

next phase of the yzerplan is clearing out contracts that dont fit the future
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Here is my guess on highest returns

Talbot will fetch a nice prize... maybe a 2nd.
Tarasasenko a 3rd.
Kane a 3rd.
Fischer and Lyon a 4th to 6th

I'm not sure anyone else will get much.

 

[saska sault]

next phase of the yzerplan is clearing out contracts that dont fit the future
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This is ugly to look at. I am a big Yzerman supporter because I do think his approach of slow and steady is the correct way to get the Wings back to relevancy but his UFA work is hot trash lately. Some of the guys can bounce back and save some face but regardless, there is not much inspiration coming from the guys who are the place holders unfortunately.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Can you please just let me know who wins the Norris first for the wing's.. Asp Seider or Ed?

3 way tie.

 

[Dubi Doo]

This thread has turned into an official Detroit Red Wings GDT on HF mainboards.

I dont know why so many posters care about the likes of OTT, BUF, and DET. Just let these fanbases argue among themsevles who will finish closest to a playoff spot. This is coming from a Sabres fan.

 

[ShanahanMan]

Totally agree. The best thing this year is to tank.

Yes just this team needs is more middle six “safe” players with no offensive upside like Kasper and Danielson.

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

next phase of the yzerplan is clearing out contracts that dont fit the future
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He already did that with Abdelkader and Nielson. Now he has to again after his own regrettable signings like Compher and Copp?

 

[gritdash60]

If Wings start tanking now it's basically telling Larkin he has spent his career and part of his prime with a team that hasn't been able to build anything around him. Im not saying that it shouldnt be done, but if Wings start tanking now and selling players, at 28yo if i was Larkin i would say "Trade me right f***ing now."

 

[theVladiator]

next phase of the yzerplan is clearing out contracts that dont fit the future

I do not think there is any "clearing out" required on the contracts that are expiring. Low paid guys mostly here. But I hope they keep Lyon. Can't ever have enough cheap goaltending.

The only contract on the list for this year that is addition by subtraction is Husso.

 

[Bank Shot]

If Wings start tanking now it's basically telling Larkin he has spent his career and part of his prime with a team that hasn't been able to build anything around him. Im not saying that it shouldnt be done, but if Wings start tanking now and selling players, at 28yo if i was Larkin i would say "Trade me right f***ing now."

That's always the risk of the long rebuild. Florida went through it multiple times losing Jokinen, Bouwmeester, Luongo etc. Buffalo. Edmonton. Columbus. etc. Its especially bad when you are in an undesirable city.

Sieder is already 25 next season. The clock is ticking on getting competitive. Guys won't want to waste their whole careers in a no playoff city.

 

[Czechboy]

Sieder is already 25 next season

Just wanted to highlight this point.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Sieder is already 25 next season.

Just wanted to highlight this point.

Seider is 24 next season.

24, btw, might be ~5-6 years from his prime.

 

[MVP of West Hollywd]

I think they end up being good in the end.

 

[Bank Shot]

Seider is 24 next season.

24, btw, might be ~5-6 years from his prime.

25 by the time playoffs roll around. With how bad the possession numbers are for the Wings, even the playoffs are probably at least 2-3 seasons away.

I guess we will see if guys want to stick around through a rebuild of that length.

They could start losing players before they acquire the critical mass of talent to be competitive if they don't start to accelerate the rebuild somehow.

 

[Pavels Dog]

25 by the time playoffs roll around.

Yes and McDavid will be 30 in 2 years. Time happens.

With how bad the possession numbers are for the Wings, even the playoffs are probably at least 2-3 seasons away.

Why would possession numbers this season influence next season or the year after?

 

[Bank Shot]

Yes and McDavid will be 30 in 2 years. Time happens.

Yeah, and people were saying the Oilers botched the rebuild when Mcdavid was 24/25 and the Oilers were getting swept in the conference finals.
Oilers are definitely running out of time now.

Red Wings with their bottom 5 possession stats haven't even left the starting blocks. It will be interesting to see how much more time Yzerman is allowed to spend without results.

 

[BB88]

I think they end up being good in the end.

I think you’re right and that’s the problem. They are looking at peaking as a good team and not a great team

Nobody should be defending this rebuild, last years WC race was beyond bad and they couldn’t make it and this year again the door is fully open to make it and not getting in this year would be abysmal and should lead to different management moving forward

6 years and absolutely nothing to show for

 

[Indrid Cold]

25 by the time playoffs roll around. With how bad the possession numbers are for the Wings, even the playoffs are probably at least 2-3 seasons away.

I guess we will see if guys want to stick around through a rebuild of that length.

They could start losing players before they acquire the critical mass of talent to be competitive if they don't start to accelerate the rebuild somehow.

The thing is, they may already have that critical mass of talent waiting in the wings. No pun intended. Thats where the trap lays, waiting on development and hoping it moves along swiftly.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Yeah, and people were saying the Oilers botched the rebuild when Mcdavid was 24/25 and the Oilers were getting swept in the conference finals.
Oilers are definitely running out of time now.

Red Wings with their bottom 5 possession stats haven't even left the starting blocks. It will be interesting to see how much more time Yzerman is allowed to spend without results.

He's not getting fired, I can already tell you that. You don't have to wonder.

 

[Bank Shot]

Why would possession numbers this season influence next season or the year after?

Because possession numbers are a very good indicator of roster strength. If you look at possession numbers from year to year for different teams, most poor teams tend to stay poor, and good ones tend to stay good.

Yzerman's teams continue to have poor possession numbers despite the shooting % mirage last season that tricked some fans into thinking the end of the rebuild was in sight.

Its really tough to make a massive increase in possession in one offseason as every GM is trying to improve their own team as well.

It would take some substantial moves, which Yzerman doesn't appear to be a fan of.

 

[HisNoodliness]

I dont know why so many posters care about the likes of OTT, BUF, and DET. Just let these fanbases argue among themsevles who will finish closest to a playoff spot. This is coming from a Sabres fan.

I think the media and Wings fans brought it on ourselves when we hyped Yzerman as the best GM in hockey. There's nothing that cynical, petty, insecure and weak people like more than saying "I told you so" to the once hopeful. You don't see the fans of winning teams wasting their time in this thread for a reason.

For what it's worth. I'm excited for these three teams to figure it out. Buffalo has so much talent that you guys will be an absolute blast to watch if you can ever fix whatever bad mojo is keeping you bad. Ottawa and the Wings have a bit of bad blood and Brady Tkachuk is the perfect villain. Stutzle is a lot of fun to watch. Whenever it happens for us, the Atlantic is going to be really fun to watch.

If we have to endure an extra few years of getting dunked on by HFtrolls in the meantime, who cares? It's not like the opinion of these morons matter

 

[MVP of West Hollywd]

You have to appreciate the Leafs getting away with this looking at all these massive long ones like Red Wings and Sabres

2013 - G7 choke against Bruins with Kessel, team had been mostly building to end playoff drought and not be a joke
2014 - 84 pts regular season collapse
2015 - 68 pts Kessel traded for mediocre rebuilding package
2016 - 69 pts
2017 - our rebuild is over already lol

 

[Pavels Dog]

Because possession numbers are a very good indicator of roster strength. If you look at possession numbers from year to year for different teams, most poor teams tend to stay poor, and good ones tend to stay good.

Yzerman's teams continue to have poor possession numbers despite the shooting % mirage last season that tricked some fans into thinking the end of the rebuild was in sight.

Its really tough to make a massive increase in possession in one offseason as every GM is trying to improve their own team as well.

It would take some substantial moves, which Yzerman doesn't appear to be a fan of.

The thing is the roster will see major overhaul in the next 2-3 years.

By 26-27 it's reasonable to believe Edvinsson and Seider are the only d-men remaining of the current group. Probably about half the forward group will be changed too.

Possession numbers are only a good metric for future seasons if the coach and roster stays very similar. Detroit is expected to see improved young players, major roster overhaul and probably a coaching change.

 

[ToDavid]

Why would possession numbers this season influence next season or the year after?

Beacuse rosters don't tend to magically change overnight.

This is the 7th straight year that Detroit has been bottom 10 in xGF%, and the 9th straight year they've been <50%.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

You have to appreciate the Leafs getting away with this looking at all these massive long ones like Red Wings and Sabres

2013 - G7 choke against Bruins with Kessel, team had been mostly building to end playoff drought and not be a joke
2014 - 84 pts regular season collapse
2015 - 68 pts Kessel traded for mediocre rebuilding package
2016 - 69 pts
2017 - our rebuild is over already lol

 

[MVP of West Hollywd]

I think you’re right and that’s the problem. They are looking at peaking as a good team and not a great team

Nobody should be defending this rebuild, last years WC race was beyond bad and they couldn’t make it and this year again the door is fully open to make it and not getting in this year would be abysmal and should lead to different management moving forward

6 years and absolutely nothing to show for

They remind of the Hurricanes in mid 2010s with Ron Francis kind of having a "boring" rebuild building around some defenseman in Faulk and Slavin and by 2018 there was a feeling of when is this going to work... I think it worked out ok though they haven't broken through yet.