Detroit Redwings Downfall

[FMichael]

I read at a 6th grade level too but you don’t see me out here bragging about it

Ok - winning post of the day here

 

[Pavels Dog]

So NJ calls out players when they’re bad but most Wings fans think everything is going fine in Detroit. Seems like the former fanbase is more reasonable!

If anything is fantasy..

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Imagine trying to rip on the Devils’ performance as a RED WINGS fan.

I particularly liked when they went from "The rebuild is over!" two years ago to being back to mediocrity.

I have no doubt their legion of midgets will deliver a Cup. That always goes over well in playoff hockey.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

For your reading pleasure:

Search results for query: markstrom

forums.hfboards.com

10 full pages of "Markstrom sucks" just from one thread.

Yeah, one GDT in a game he wasn’t good in. Like I said, he struggled early and got called out for it - he wasn’t a “scapegoat” for anything because there was nothing to scapegoat for. That’s why NJ is in first place.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Yeah, one GDT in a game he wasn’t good in. Like I said, he struggled early and got called out for it - he wasn’t a “scapegoat” for anything because there was nothing to scapegoat for. That’s why NJ is in first place.

Gonna go ahead and guess that the wrath unleashed in that thread wasn't just because of one game. But you've already acknowledged that...

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Feels like none of their internal dudes have developed- that Rasmussen monster is at 5 points, that whole “biggest line ever” thing from a few years back- nothing from it. Meanwhile they just lack that top tier talent- shame, really.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Gonna go ahead and guess that the wrath unleashed in that thread wasn't just because of one game. But you've already acknowledged that...

At this point, I don’t even know what your point is. When Markstrom was bad, people said he was bad - that’s your big revelation?

But judging by your last post about NJ, I suspect you’re just trying to lash out at them to deflect from the Detroit tire fire. Please don’t let me stop you - carry on, my friend.

Looking forward to our game next week.

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

Feels like none of their internal dudes have developed- that Rasmussen monster is at 5 points, that whole “biggest line ever” thing from a few years back- nothing from it. Meanwhile they just lack that top tier talent- shame, really.

Rasmussen has been such an underwhelming disappointment. There's no reason why he shouldn't have been a Keith Primeau-style player with his size.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

At this point, I don’t even know what your point is. When Markstrom was bad, people said he was bad - that’s your big revelation?

But judging by your last post about NJ, I suspect you’re just trying to lash out at them to deflect from the Detroit tire fire. Please don’t let me stop you - carry on, my friend.

Looking forward to our game next week.

I don't really need to deflect. Detroit's pretty trash.

I'm just laughing at the superiority complex like NJD has done f*** all when y'all were ready to throw Markstrom in front of a train a month ago because the team sucked ass.

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

Goodness, Red Wings and Devils fans going at it like it's 1995 again.

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

Would Detroit be interested in cam Fowler to help take the load off Seider?

 

[Jersey Fresh]

I don't really need to deflect. Detroit's pretty trash.

I'm just laughing at the superiority complex like NJD has done f*** all when y'all were ready to throw Markstrom in front of a train a month ago because the team sucked ass.

The team has been consistently at the top of the division lol. If that qualifies as “sucking ass” I need to know what descriptor you’re using for Detroit because “trash” doesn’t quite cut it.

For the third time, Markstrom got some heat when he didn’t perform. That’s what happens in GDTs.

I don’t think NJ has a superiority complex over most teams. When the comparison is to Detroit, however, well…that’s a different story.

 

[strattonius]

Basically the Yzerplan is to sit and wait for the draft to turn his fortunes around while he signs fringe veterans to supplement the roster in the mean time. It's an awful plan.

Needs to be making more trades as well as targeting better players in free agency. The draft can't solve all these problems.

I've seen excuse after excuse for his vision. Like the Red Wings aren't scoring because Tarasenko has been disappointing; But pretty much every poster on here knew it was a bad signing as Tarasenko has regressed hard and looked good only in a 4th line role for the Panthers last year. Could basically go over every single signing there's not a single impressive transaction. I really don't know how that's defensible but we have some Wings fans in here propping up this weak ass plan.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

The team has been consistently at the top of the division lol. If that qualifies as “sucking ass” I need to know what descriptor you’re using for Detroit because “trash” doesn’t quite cut it.

For the third time, Markstrom got some heat when he didn’t perform. That’s what happens in GDTs.

I don’t think NJ has a superiority complex over most teams. When the comparison is to Detroit, however, well…that’s a different story.

Weird to say "Consistently at the top of the division" 6 weeks into the season and half that time you were .500 lmao.

We also won't talk about the fact that New Jersey is 4th in their division by P%. We wont talk about the three teams within 5 points with 3-4 games in hand.

But these are the victory laps you've gotta take, I guess.

Basically the Yzerplan is to sit and wait for the draft to turn his fortunes around while he signs fringe veterans to supplement the roster in the mean time. It's an awful plan.

Needs to be making more trades as well as targeting better players in free agency. The draft can't solve all these problems.

I've seen excuse after excuse for his vision. Like the Red Wings aren't scoring because Tarasenko has been disappointing; But pretty much every poster on here knew it was a bad signing as Tarasenko has regressed hard and looked good only in a 4th line role for the Panthers last year. Could basically go over every single signing there's not a single impressive transaction. I really don't know how that's defensible but we have some Wings fans in here propping up this weak ass plan.

Build through the draft worked pretty well for him in Tampa...

Trying to remember when he ever chased a big name UFA while running the Lightning.

 

[norrisnick]

Would Detroit be interested in cam Fowler to help take the load off Seider?

Nope, unless he comes retained and with nice assets.

 

[Hisch13r]

At this point, I don’t even know what your point is. When Markstrom was bad, people said he was bad - that’s your big revelation?

But judging by your last post about NJ, I suspect you’re just trying to lash out at them to deflect from the Detroit tire fire. Please don’t let me stop you - carry on, my friend.

Looking forward to our game next week.

“You thought things were different when they were different”

 

[Oddbob]

Pretty sure this topic has been discussed ad nauseam at this point. Not sure why so many non Wings fans are so invested in the Wings not doing well right now.

 

[TooManyHumans]

I am sure that if in 6 years on the job Dubas has the Penguins where the Red Wings are now that everyone on here will be just a patient and appreciative of his efforts.

 

[norrisnick]

Basically the Yzerplan is to sit and wait for the draft to turn his fortunes around while he signs fringe veterans to supplement the roster in the mean time. It's an awful plan.

Needs to be making more trades as well as targeting better players in free agency. The draft can't solve all these problems.

I've seen excuse after excuse for his vision. Like the Red Wings aren't scoring because Tarasenko has been disappointing; But pretty much every poster on here knew it was a bad signing as Tarasenko has regressed hard and looked good only in a 4th line role for the Panthers last year. Could basically go over every single signing there's not a single impressive transaction. I really don't know how that's defensible but we have some Wings fans in here propping up this weak ass plan.

Why is it awful? Because it's slow?

What better players in free agency are going to sign with a non-playoff team without gross overpayment in money and term?

What sense does it make to trade for help now, typically using futures, when the core he's drafted isn't quite ready yet? Big team altering trades usually occur after a team has made the playoffs and determined that the pieces they have aren't quite right. The Wings aren't there yet, because he's already moved away the few decent pieces that weren't quite right and the rest are prospects. Would the current iteration of the Wings be better with Mantha, Bertuzzi, Hronek? Probably. Would they win anything meaningful? Nope. Is it better to wait for Cossa and Sandin-Pellikka (two of the pieces acquired by those trades along with DeBrincat)? Yup.

I am sure that if in 6 years on the job Dubas has the Penguins where the Red Wings are now that everyone on here will be just a patient and appreciative of his efforts.

I mean, the wheels haven't even come off yet for Pittsburgh. There is still quite a bit further down to go before they can come back up. If Dubas has the Pens where the Wings are now with 3-4 future pieces on the roster and a handful more to come, that's about as good of an outlook as Pittsburgh could hope for.

 

[TooManyHumans]

I'd rather not be stuck in the mediocre middle.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Weird to say "Consistently at the top of the division" 6 weeks into the season and half that time you were .500 lmao.

We also won't talk about the fact that New Jersey is 4th in their division by P%. We wont talk about the three teams within 5 points with 3-4 games in hand.

But these are the victory laps you've gotta take, I guess.



Build through the draft worked pretty well for him in Tampa...

Trying to remember when he ever chased a big name UFA while running the Lightning.

True, they’re fourth in P%. They also just beat the top two teams ahead of them in the last week. One to four could end in any order and no one would be surprised - of course fourth in the Metro is comfortably a WC1 team. It’s not the trash heap that is the Atlantic.

And they definitely and verifiably weren’t .500 half that time lol.

My guy, you are coping way too hard. Let’s focus on the thread topic - Detroit consistently being awful.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I am sure that if in 6 years on the job Dubas has the Penguins where the Red Wings are now that everyone on here will be just a patient and appreciative of his efforts.

If Yzerman was gifted a core like the Leafs had and blew their entire window with shit cap management like Dubas did, I'm pretty sure Red Wings fans would be a bit more critical of his GMing ability.

As far as the Pens go, hard to fault Dubas for being handed the controls of a runaway train... Then again he did immediately trade futures for EK65.

True, they’re fourth in P%. They also just beat the top two teams ahead of them in the last week. One to four could end in any order and no one would be surprised - of course fourth in the Metro is comfortably a WC1 team. It’s not the trash heap that is the Atlantic.

And they definitely and verifiably weren’t .500 half that time lol.

My guy, you are coping way too hard.

My guy, they were 7-5-2 as of November 1st. Congrats on those two loser points. Detroit can tell you all about how those help come April.

Sure, I'm coping for the team I already said sucks. Anything that helps you avoid facts.

 

[TooManyHumans]

I just find it amusing how patient people seem to be with the Yzerplan when they have nothing concrete to show for it so far. They are closer to the bottom than the top right now, as they have been since he got there.

 

[shadow1]

I'm a neutral fan and see the problem as clearly being Uncle Fester.

Detroit is 31st in shots and 27th in shots against. Numerous marquee players (Compher, Kane, Tarasenko, etc.) are simultaneously having down years. We know their roster isn't loaded, but they aren't this bad.

 

[FMichael]

Why is it awful? Because it's slow?

What better players in free agency are going to sign with a non-playoff team without gross overpayment in money and term?

What sense does it make to trade for help now, typically using futures, when the core he's drafted isn't quite ready yet? Big team altering trades usually occur after a team has made the playoffs and determined that the pieces they have aren't quite right. The Wings aren't there yet, because he's already moved away the few decent pieces that weren't quite right and the rest are prospects. Would the current iteration of the Wings be better with Mantha, Bertuzzi, Hronek? Probably. Would they win anything meaningful? Nope. Is it better to wait for Cossa and Sandin-Pellikka (two of the pieces acquired by those trades along with DeBrincat)? Yup.


I mean, the wheels haven't even come off yet for Pittsburgh. There is still quite a bit further down to go before they can come back up. If Dubas has the Pens where the Wings are now with 3-4 future pieces on the roster and a handful more to come, that's about as good of an outlook as Pittsburgh could hope for.

I ought to report you for utilizing rational thinking instead of readying the pitchforks and torches…

PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES!