Detroit Redwings Downfall

[Snuggs]

I wonder if Yzerman's got the stones to try and pull off a Larkin trade to the Dallas Stars involving Wyatt Johnston coming the other way.

He'll prolly just get by again trading guys like Lyon/Fishcer and draft, trade away Holl+2nd round pick, sign some crappy d-man like Forbot. Save his job for another year.

I mean honestly as a Red Wings fan, what I personally saw this offseason was just complete non-sense. NOT one moment since July 1st did I personally think RedWings are playoff ready or even growing as a team this year. IT's a huge step backwards. Huge step. Almost every move this offseason was bad outside of Talbot. Literally almost every move.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Judging the rebuild on a game-to-game basis is idiotic. Should be a new thread to discuss the short-term problems that can be bumped after each win/loss. Even through a rough stretch here the long-term outlook is looking good and should be disconnected to the performance of Jeff Petry, Andrew Copp, Alex Lyon and Ben Chiarot.

 

[cvaicunas]

I’m not buying that either. Redwings drafted in the top 10, 7 consecutive seasons. This wasn’t a team that hit rock bottom for 2 seasons and got screwed. Yes no lotto luck, but got Raymond with 4ov one of the best production players from that draft and could have easily drafted Hughes right out of their own backyard with the 6ov. This is clearly on managements draft selection and roster building.

I personally think Redwings would be worse had they drafted 1ov in 2020 as Raymond since his draft has been better than Lafreniere who was the NHL consensus #1. Even if you don’t agree with that I’d have a hard time being convinced swapping them does anything for Detroit even if someone believes Lafreniere moving forward is better.

Wings were rumored to favor Stuzle that draft year

 

[cvaicunas]

It was just a low quality rebuild. Stevie Y built a team that looks like it will probably peak as a playoff bubble team.

I don't understand how these takes are so prevalent when the vast majority of drafted players have yet to hit the NHL. The current roster is uninspiring yes, but the rebuild is not over. Acting like the current roster is the one meant to compete for a Stanley Cup is disingenuous at best.

 

[PredsV82]

Gotta admit I saw this thread title and was hoping for a funny dubbed Hitler video.


For the unititated:

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/hitlers-downfall-parodies

 

[Fatass]

I don't understand how these takes are so prevalent when the vast majority of drafted players have yet to hit the NHL. The current roster is uninspiring yes, but the rebuild is not over. Acting like the current roster is the one meant to compete for a Stanley Cup is disingenuous at best.

Star players are the difference makers. Yzerman has yet to draft or trade for these level guys.

 

[cvaicunas]

Oiler fan here, agreeing with this Leaf fan.


You guys are trying to do what we did. Rebuild with Kadri/Kessel/JVR Hall/RNH/Eberle
You need to build around McDavid/Draisaitl or Matthews/Marner level talent.

So the only way to properly rebuild a franchise is to draft, in the case of two of these players, is to draft generational talent? Neither the Leafs or Oilers have won anything, so at this point neither franchise has actually truly succeeded in their rebuild.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Honestly, one of my co-workers is a hardcore wings fan and I was almost sure they’re stacked enough to make the next step. Sometimes the chemistry just ain’t there, it def isn’t a devoid of talent. Not sure what the f***, down seasons?

 

[cvaicunas]

So, Yzerman was a great player.... that means nothing. Gretzky was a terrible coach. Roy failed before in the NHL and is now slowly building back his rep in Long Island, although the Isles sit out of the playoffs picture. Nieuwendyk failed as a GM. I don't see Lemieux, Orr, Hull, Potvin, Bourque, Fedorov, Selanne, Lidstrom etc. running teams. Management is different from playing. Arguably the 3'best GMs in the game right now, Zito, Nill, and Allvin, are relative nobodies in the NHL players' archive.

Ok, the Red Wings have a much, much better history than the Panthers....again irrelevant. It doesn't matter what team you root for...the proven best way to build a contender is to tank for multiple years and acquire superstars. This isn't 2002 anymore. There's a salary cap.

Lol Yzerman didn't draft too good of talent....what he did was sign mediocre FAs and make trades that have kept the Wings from bottoming out. I know what's coming up through their pipeline, I follow prospects closely.

Montreal started their rebuild after Detroit, and theirs already looks better. Rangers started their rebuild at the same time as Detroit, and they are far ahead of them now.

Yes, as a Panthers fan I know what a failed rebuild looks like... we've had a couple. There are lots of rebuilds going on in the NHL right now and not all will work out. I think Detroit is one of those.

Other than using the word "rebuild," the actual circumstances between the Rangers and Wings could not be more different.