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Czechboy

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Dotter said:
telling HHOF 3 time Stanley Cup champion who Captained his team to over 25 playoff appearances, and is part of the Gold club what it takes to win a cup. Lol
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This was from when the Oiler's were in a similar position to your Wing's now. One of my all time favorite press clips... up there with Voracek calling that reporter a piece of shit or Torts yelling at Brooksy.lol

Give it a watch as it relates heavily to your post.
 
Barsky

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The wings are doing the opposite of what Edmonton did because Edmonton showed how horribly it worked. They drafted at the top for years, had absolutely 0 dmen or veterans to help teach the young guys good habits. They got out of it by drafting a future top 5 player of all time.

The wings right now have 2 dmen that are better/going to be better than anything Edmonton has had in 15 years. Their rebuilds aren't comparable. On this website the oilers got circle jerked for years about how good they were gonna be because they went all in with the young guys and look how that worked out.



I don't think Detroits rebuild started when Yzerman took over, but I think its fair to judge Yzerman for only his tenure and not lumping picks like Zadina or Rasmussen onto his resume.

I also think its funny to act like Ottawa is either miles ahead in their rebuilds or that circumstances weren't completely different. Ottawa had to sell a team in their prime, that was 1 goal away from the cup final because of inept management and leadership around the team. Detroit started with nothing in the cupboards after years as one of the top/most respected teams in the league.

Ottawa should be so much further ahead than they are right now.

We'll see how Detroits rebuild does when all their dmen and goalies arrive, they don't a lot of flashy forwards that will get loved on a website like this though
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You're completely ignoring the fact they had the worst owner in pro sports for 2 decades. Detroit should be farther ahead than Ottawa, stop projecting, the Yzerplan has gone off the rails
 
Peasy

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You said the elite guys play in Toronto, Florida and Tampa. You missed a few outside the Atlantic.
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Probably only talking about the Atlantic because you know, Detroit plays in the Atlantic and are directly competing for a playoff spot against those teams...Not against the Edmonton Oilers...
 
Dotter

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WarriorofTime said:
But this is nonsense, speak less about Yzerman the Cult of Personality Leader and the Red Wings as a whole. Things are always much more fluid. They weren't an expansion team in April of 2019. They had draft picks, prospects, roster players including ones that were or could have been traded. They had been doing "rebuild stuff" for a while, which is why Yzerman walked in with so many draft picks in 2019 to begin with. You don't get to view every other team as a free-flowing continuous organization across multiple executive teams, but place everything from a Red Wings standpoint as Day 1 being April 19, 2019. That is just not an objective analysis and a double standard. If you compare Yzerman the GM to [x] the GM then you're can only look from the time each GM took over, if you are taking a big picture look at organizations then you look at all of them the same and not one standard for one and a different for another.
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I think perspective is important and no other rebuilding team has surpassed. That was the point, but people act like yzerman is responsible for this team since 2017 and beyond.

Hell, many of Yzerman's touted players aren't even in the NHL yet. They are young and tearing up their respective leagues.

I concur Holland's rebuild was a failure. Yzerman is being judged for not making the playoffs, yet your team hasn't made the playoffs in 8 years. Maybe that's not fair. But it's funny you want to judge yzerman and write him off as a failure. You don't get to have it both ways.

Fact is yzerman took the best possible players available to him in the 1st round in 2019, 2020, and 2021. 22+ TBD.

He also drafted some later round depth players. Not to mention ASP, Cossa who both look like future core pieces.
 
Czechboy

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Peasy said:
Probably only talking about the Atlantic because you know, Detroit plays in the Atlantic and are directly competing for a playoff spot against those teams...Not against the Edmonton Oilers...
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You only play 26 games (out of 82) against your division so that'd be pretty shortsighted. That'd make a lot more sense in the Covid divisions a few years ago.

I'd also argue that Pasta was missed if that were the case. Stutzl would be another.
 
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Czechboy said:


This was from when the Oiler's were in a similar position to your Wing's now. One of my all time favorite press clips... up there with Voracek calling that reporter a piece of shit or Torts yelling at Brooksy.lol

Give it a watch as it relates heavily to your post.
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I fail to see the connection. I never said Detroit's 90s success is costing yzermans rebuild in 2024, and Yzerman certainly never said that.

I said Holland's rebuild was a failure and yzerman had to clean it up.

Yzer has been successful with his first round picks and each season the team is significantly improving. Yes an 11 point jump is significant.

The only people demanding a playoff appearance are the people who want to fabricate fake criticism based on their personal unrealistic timeline.
 
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