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Hockeyfan2390 said:
Furthermore, Kucherov, Vasilevskiy and Point are superstars. There is literally zero indication that Nate Danielson and his 9 goals in 61 AHL games will reach that level.
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They became superstars.

In year two after being drafted, Kucherov was playing in QJMHL. I bet you screamed this kid is a superstar back then.

In year two after being drafted Danielson is 0.5 point per game in AHL.
Not saying Danielson will surpass Kucherov, but timeline put into perspective.

Hedman wasn't lighting the world on fire in his first 3 NHL years.

Point was two first years after being drafted in the WHL, then NHL on a better team than Wings.
Kasper made the NHL in the same year after being drafted as Point. We'll see how it goes.
Of course the support cast need to be better also for Kasper's numbers to go up.
 
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Pavels Dog said:
If you align the timelines you wouldn't have known Kucherov was that guy yet. Just like you don't know the ultimate ceiling of Raymond, Buchelnikov, Cossa, Edvinsson etc.

I agree with you it's not all about the no tax, but it's not really the drafting either.


If they didn't re-sign him it would have been a disaster like the Chychrun and Debrincat sagas. It's not a sound strategy overall to trade for guys with no guarantee of staying. Also as much as I like Ullmark he's now an 8 million dollar goaltender with zero track record of handling a starter's workload.


You can say that about every prospect. So it's always the right move to trade futures for immediate help, right? Clearly there's more to it than that which I think you'd agree on.
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Tampa's drafting has been incredible. If you cant see it i don't know what to tell you.
 
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Pavels Dog said:
If you align the timelines you wouldn't have known Kucherov was that guy yet. Just like you don't know the ultimate ceiling of Raymond, Buchelnikov, Cossa, Edvinsson etc.

I agree with you it's not all about the no tax, but it's not really the drafting either.


If they didn't re-sign him it would have been a disaster like the Chychrun and Debrincat sagas. It's not a sound strategy overall to trade for guys with no guarantee of staying. Also as much as I like Ullmark he's now an 8 million dollar goaltender with zero track record of handling a starter's workload.


You can say that about every prospect. So it's always the right move to trade futures for immediate help, right? Clearly there's more to it than that which I think you'd agree on.
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Tampa's drafting and drveloping has been incredible. If you cant see it i don't know what to tell you. It happened.

It worked for Ottawa. Ullmark has played 49 games. It's ok to be able to try and evaluate through a lens that isn't only defensive and centric around your favorite team.
 
bert said:
He's done an incredible job with no cap space or assets in identifying and addressing what his team was missing from an on ice, identity and leadership perspective.
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I wouldn't rate it as an incredible job. He's done around 5 trades and some signings.
He hasn't even been GM for two seasons and you gonna rate him as the super GM.
Yes his start has been encouraging I think, but earlier this year they were also down in the standings and lately been on a hot streak.

Sensin5 said:
And there it is - just the kind of blind loyalty that fans of opposing teams hope remains intact for the Detroit Red Wings.
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Nothing about blind loyalty. More about don't judging the work based off small sample sizes.
It still waits to be seen where things end up. Let's see in two years time where Ottawa is.
 
SirKillalot said:
I wouldn't rate it as an incredible job. He's done around 5 trades and some signings.
He hasn't even been GM for two seasons and you gonna rate him as the super GM.
Yes his start has been encouraging I think, but earlier this year they were also down in the standings and lately been on a hot streak.


Nothing about blind loyalty. More about don't judging the work based off small sample sizes.
It still waits to be seen where things end up. Let's see in two years time where Ottawa is.
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How about a long sample size of 6 years in which a team is skating an AHL-level defense, has no elite game-changing talent, a bunch mid mid-players, and is once again melting down in the most critical part of the schedule for the 3rd straight year?
 
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Dotter said:
  • They’re also near the playoff bubble in the hardest division in hockey and doing it with the youngest team in the league outside of rebuilding squads
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Also, the Red Wings began the season with the 5th oldest team in hockey. Right now after the insertion of Kasper and Johansson, they're the 18th oldest team in hockey.

Montreal, Boston, Columbus, Ottawa, and the Rangers are all younger.
 
The Gr8 Dane said:
You'd think they'd slip in by accident for one of these years in such a watered down parity league. But then again the Atlantic is pretty tough
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Even the Dead Wings in the 70s managed to slip into the playoffs once or twice.

The Red Wings have been around now for nearly 100 years, and they're in the midst of literally the longest playoff drought in franchise history. The fact that there are still fans who are perfectly willing to tolerate another 2-3 years of this garbage because "trust the Yzerplan bro" is staggering.

Thankfully, the number of fans who are blindly loyal to Yzerman because they still see him as their on-ice hero rather than the underwhelming GM is shrinking.
 
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Hockeyfan2390 said:
Even the Dead Wings in the 70s managed to slip into the playoffs once or twice.

The Red Wings have been around now for nearly 100 years, and they're in the midst of literally the longest playoff drought in franchise history. The fact that there are still fans who are perfectly willing to tolerate another 2-3 years of this garbage because "trust the Yzerplan bro" is staggering.

Thankfully, the number of fans who are blindly loyal to Yzerman because they still see him as their on-ice hero rather than the underwhelming GM is shrinking.
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All hope is not lost Stevie can still right the ship here , I figure he starts seriously adding this off season surely?
 
I do wonder if they call pull it off. Here is the record, under the Koala, since February 1st.

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Here is the entire record, under Lalonde,

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And here is hot streak, under Koala, in between! December 25th to February 1st.

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And, to be fair, here is Koala's entire run:

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AlwaysSunnyInDetroit said:
07-08 wings went 1 for 11 in february 2008. shit happens. worked out ok
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That team was still full of Hall of Famers and had already all but officially won the President's Trophy by that point with a 41-10-4 record.

Their slide did nothing to damage their 1st place standing in the division and Conference.

Not even remotely close to the same situation as now.
 
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Hockeyfan2390 said:
That team was still full of Hall of Famers and had already all but officially won the President's Trophy by that point with a 41-10-4 record.

Their slide did nothing to damage their 1st place standing in the division and Conference.

Not even remotely close to the same situation as now.
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they had the president's trophy locked up by the beginning of february? lol, i call bullshit

the reality is that halfway through the slide, red wings fans were losing their minds and predicting the season was over. i'm certain that you were one of them
 
AlwaysSunnyInDetroit said:
they had the president's trophy locked up by the beginning of february? lol, i call bullshit

the reality is that halfway through the slide, red wings fans were losing their minds and predicting the season was over. i'm certain that you were one of them
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lol, Wings had a 12 point lead in points over second best team Ottawa on January 31.
And a 17 point lead over the third best team in the league.
 
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