Whoever you think has the highest ceiling. Pretty hard to predict. Brett Hull was an "absolute specialist" so you have to consider guys like that will come around time to time. If you see special offensive talent, I think you take the gamble.
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Whoever you think has the highest ceiling. Pretty hard to predict. Brett Hull was an "absolute specialist" so you have to consider guys like that will come around time to time. If you see special offensive talent, I think you take the gamble.
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But I think the confusing part is parsing that out. Is it a higher ceiling if one guy can be 8/10 in every offensive category and the other guy is 10/10 in one and 6/10 in the others? He might be a special shooter, but he's certainly not a special passer, for example. Like Brett Hull, I guess. But 5'7 or whatever.
See the problem is you are playing in a fantasy where there's no defined list. Come draft day, I will have a list that's set in stone. I will have a names written on a dry erase board in permanent marker next to the numbers 3, 4, 5, 6. It won't be a guessing game. You know who is better than #8 on my list? #6, and the only place I'm guaranteed #6 is at #6.
Like I said, I'll explore the idea, but I need an overpayment. I'm not trading back for a "fair deal".
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Button has byram moving up now and us ending with podkolzin, If we can add that oilers 8th and land soderstrom id say Stevie would be off to a strong start
Button has byram moving up now and us ending with podkolzin, If we can add that oilers 8th and land soderstrom id say Stevie would be off to a strong start
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Guess I gotta start preparing for this... why couldn’t he have just dominated the U18’s like he did last year....
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Harley 10th hurts my head. Before Krebs and Turcotte? What
Boldy/Caufield/Broberg/Harley before Krebs/Turcotte/Zegras is total BS.
Podkolzin? I’m not gonna look too much into that , if anything if teams are stupid enough to judge a player solely on one tournament it might be to our benefit
60th pick? Why do we have to use our 60th?
I don’t know what can be done to make a trade happen , I just know the oilers are beyond desperate to compete and make the playoffs and not miss it again , it’s not a good look and they’re wasting mcdavid away and he’s gonna demand a trade sooner rather than later
I just threw AA’s name out there cause he scored 30 , still 24 and come in and help right away , if I had to throw in a glendening to help the bottom 6 and pk .... maybe take back a benning and bury him in the minors , or kassian I’d consider bunch of different stuff to make it happen but AA is the main piece , maybe throw in a kotkansalo, I don’t know but I’d explore stuff depending who’s available when we get to 6 so we’d know more or less who’s be there at 8
McKenzie has Turcotte at 11 on his list , I mean these kids are all looking great now but doesn’t mean some will be more than 3rd liners in the end so we have to make sure we get a stud at 6 no matter what anyone says about the pick we take who we like and that’s that
I been liking Boldy a lot more this tournament than some the ones you mentioned , everyone’s got their own lists
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That's a realistic question. To be fair though, I think Zegras has at least as good of chance to stay at center as Krebs, Cozens, Dach, and Newhook. Those guys are the clear top dogs on their respective teams, where Zegras plays behind the best prospect in this draft in Hughes. At times, Zegras played well at center when Turcotte was hurt. I think he has all the skills to continue playing at center, but I understand why the USNTDP put Turcotte at 2C instead of Zegras, as his skillset translates a bit more naturally as a center than Zegras' does.
I think Zegras will get every opportunity to play center in Boston next year, which will be a good indicator of his position going forward.
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Yeah, but Harley? Harley is more Ryan Sproul than anything else. He's a boneheaded guy who can play offense, but gets lost.
It's just weird. I usually respect Button's lists, but sometimes it seems like he focuses a ton on tournament performance... unless you're a guy he really likes, in which case he'll ignore it. Caufield gets to move way up, but so does Harley? That makes no sense. One has been amazing, the other has been pretty bad. It seemingly makes no difference.
More and more I am moving towards players not named Turcotte. I still like Turcotte and would be fine with that pick, but he's no longer in a league of his own at the top of the second tier.
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Yeah, I just don't see what others do when I watch him. Certainly not expecting a Datsyuk clone like you said earlier. Have had him ranked behind the centers all year, and still more or less feel that way. But I am less familiar with him, so I will try to give our scouts the benefit of the doubt and be more open minded as much as I can if we go that route.
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I don't think he ever was, other than on HFBoards. But he's not out of the top 10, either, IMO.
Oh no, I'm just speaking more so on my list. I think what Frk It has been saying may be true. I think he has a decent chance at being around come 6, but even then I'm not sure how anxious I would be to run to the podium to make the pick. Depends on how the board plays out. This is going the be a very, very difficult draft pick to break down with all the perceived talent that will be around the same selection.
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I think he has been good at the U18's but I think he is certainly more hyped here than by NHL scouts.
I still will probably have him ranked top 5, but I definitely think he goes somewhere more like 6-12. We will see. Things are becoming pretty wide open after the top 2 players in this draft.
Edit - (meant to add this in my response to hockeyfan) It’s weird to me that Button is adamant on Podkolzin being the 3rd best player, and being close to Kakko, but is mocking him at #6.
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I seen clips of him on YouTube and the way he hustles back and steals the puck off guys and moves he does with the puck just reminds me so much of pavel, that being said there’s only one datsyuk so I’m not saying he’s gonna turn into him
Hey you like who you like it’s all good , I’m not too distraught with the centers cause we have Larkin and I’m still hoping veleno will be the #2 and if not maybe a year in Grand Rapids gets Rasmussen going and we can add his big body to #2 and we’d have something like
Bertuzzi Larkin mantha etched in stone as #1 line for the foreseeable future
Number 2 can be
Veleno Rasmussen zadina
Or
Zadina veleno podkolzin with Rasmussen centering the 3rd
Berggren is a C and suppose to be really good but missed a year ,that’s why I’m not too concerned with taking a C I think we’re ok I just want the best player available if it’s a C we take him
I’m not gonna pretend I’ve followed Harley closely but maybe he’s thinking they’ll wanna Add a partner to hughes and take a North American player instead, think he’s projected 20#? So at 10 you just take who you like cause they won’t get Harley at 40
I don’t pay attention to too much of these lists I just like who I like , I read these lists , see videos , read info on guys but I just judge the player on my own personal preferences , like if a guy is projected top 2 rounds let’s say and I just see some skill and good reviews , and lists and I see him score some goals and show passion and get excited and stuff after a goal for me personally I love that stuff to me it shows he cares and wants to win which is a reason I wanted wings to take lauko last year with a 3rd rounder and got disappointed when bruins took him and signed him to a deal already
Anyways this is all luck we’ll just figure out who drafted the right guys 3-5 yrs down the road
Maybe he has I do on teams being scared of the Russian factor?or that he’s gonna stay in Russia for two years? I personally could care less and wait it out since we’re not winning the cup next two years but maybe a Chicago with toews and Kane aging want a guy to step in ASAP if not next year the year after and maybe byram can play?
Same with Colorado with mackinnon being a cheap deal and producing and how they are doing now think adding a 6’4 dach next year might be best now
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I don’t think anyone after Hughes/Kakko is going to step into the league and do anything meaningful next year.
Cozens and Dach are big, but they both need some work before being NHL contributors.
Really hard to guess what the teams are going to do with picks 3-5. I’m pretty confident Byram will go somewhere in there, but other than that I am not sure. If Bob still has Podkolzin at #3 in his next ranking, I will expect him to go top 5 as well, but we will have to wait and see.
I don’t think teams will put as much stock into the U18’s as Button is suggesting with the mock you posted. I especially don’t see Edmonton drafting Caufield when they just drafted Yamamoto.
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I think he's asking what you trade for 8OA if we used our 6OA already.
To answer your question something around AA packaged with the 57th or 58th pick in this years draft should get it done.
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Button is just rolling the dice and placing people aimlessly at this point.
