Proposal: Detroit-Montreal

[taylorjonl]

How will they drop the $4.9M that they are currently over the cap?
My understanding is that a team must be cap-compliant by 5:00PM on October 12 before players are placed on LTIR? Did I misunderstand the rules?

You can LTIR before season start. You get less flexibility, but it is our only option. We can actually go over the cap by $5.9M before we have issues. The problem comes when Jurco comes off LTIR, or if we need to callup a player because of an injury that doesn't qualify for LTIR, in that situation we can't because we have no money.

To be cap compliant before the season we would have to drop around $3M, Larkin and AA are the only players that can be sent down without going through waivers.

 

[TS Quint]

Totally understand that! I hoped to convince Wings fans to part with him on taking Ericsson at full price for a retained Emelin.

From a Wings fan, you have to understand how bad Wings fans overrate AA (and if you haven't noticed all of their prospects). I think he will turn out as a 25-30pt 3rd line centre who can do a lot of little things well. A bigger Version of Helm. I don't believe your value proposition is bad. I like Emelin, he's a mean ahole out there and the Wings could use that. Big E sucks the big one. But overall I want the Wings to rebuild and I don't see how that helps the direction I would like to see the Wings go.

 

[Ingvar]

Montreal gets

Jonathan Ericsson
Andreas Athanasiou
Riley Sheahan

Detroit gets

Alexei Emelin (25% retained)
Noah Juulsen
Jacob De La Rose

I'm not as high as most on our board on AA, so I like the baseline of that trade if we are trying to trade for Fowler. However, I would stay clear from DLR and prefer 2nd round pick instead.

How will they drop the $4.9M that they are currently over the cap?
My understanding is that a team must be cap-compliant by 5:00PM on October 12 before players are placed on LTIR? Did I misunderstand the rules?

Season opening IR.

 

[HabsTown]

Thanks for your input guys!

It kind of weird to get some Wings fans to accept it and others that think it's god awful.

 

[BStinson]

Thanks for your input guys!

It kind of weird to get some Wings fans to accept it and others that think it's god awful.

Tons of variables to consider. I personally wouldn't try to move young assets to free up capspace because Holland will just waste the cap space. I also don't think we would be anymore contenders with a minor help on the backend. I wouldn't be opposed to trading AA for a blue line prospect assuming that prospect has some good upside. I don't want to ship out Sheahan since his value has dipped and I believe he would be a great 3C that could play as a 2C. Juulsen definitely interests me out of the offered and I think a trade could be managed if you guys are in need of a forward prospect.

 

[ginovegas]

only player i want in Detroit is Mantha,
what are your needs?

 

[BStinson]

only player i want in Detroit is Mantha,
what are your needs?

Comparable defense prospect preferably a righty or center prospect.

 

[CapSpace]

Detroit gets 3 busts

So Emelin playing with Team Russia is a bust. Juulsen still developing 2 years only after being draft. DeLaRose played good in the NHL but is a 4th liner with not much offensive potential which we already have a ton in Montreal. But eh, let's call that 3 busts to show we know so much about hockey.

 

[Redline]

Juulsen is far from a bust. I'm sure you were one of those calling Galchenyuk a bust too. Or maybe your name just says it all.

Juulsen is fine, nobody watching him play would call him a bust.

 

[Datsyukian Deke]

Don't want to give up AA, and I've never heard of any of the players on the Habs, so I'll pass.

And to those who want to give me a hard time, no, I don't study other teams' rosters when playing them just because they are in the same division, particularly if they aren't a name that stands out regularly. To go with, outside of Price, Subban, Markov, and Pacioretty, there haven't really been any names of note to keep track of on the Habs for some time.

 

[TS Quint]

Comparable defense prospect preferably a righty or center prospect.

Which way the defense shots is no longer a need for the Wings with Kronwalls decline and the current prospects. At this point you have Green, Marchenko, Sproul, Jensen and Russo isn't much worse if not better than Kronwall, DDK, Big E, Smith and XO.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

How will they drop the $4.9M that they are currently over the cap?
My understanding is that a team must be cap-compliant by 5:00PM on October 12 before players are placed on LTIR? Did I misunderstand the rules?

They're $4.2 million over and with Franzen+Vitale+jurco on LTIR that saves them around $6 million they can still do the LTIR route just we will have little cap flexibility to bring in other players if needed.

 

[Rufus]

Detroit loves AA. Who wouldn't with the speed he possesses? And Sheahan is an important piece. De La Rose and Juulsen are both good future pieces, but not immediate contributors like AA and Sheahan. I don't think Detroit is desperate enough for cap space to make this deal

 

[BStinson]

Which way the defense shots is no longer a need for the Wings with Kronwalls decline and the current prospects. At this point you have Green, Marchenko, Sproul, Jensen and Russo isn't much worse if not better than Kronwall, DDK, Big E, Smith and XO.

That's why I said preferably. Cholowski is our top tier defense prospect which he is a LHD and DeKeyser will be a life-time RW hopefully. I actually am one of the few that likes Smith and hopefully Hicketts develops. On the right side we have Green for now. I've essentially just about wrote off everyone except Russo and Saarijarvi. Ideally I would want the best defense prospect we can get but if it comes to two on the same tier I'm going with the RD.

 

[eFFeRR]

Pretty good offer OP...

Emelin has much more value then Ericsson, Montreal retaining salary is just an added bonus. Emelin gets a bad rap around here because he's included in thousands of trade proposals.. where were these fans when Emelin was making a mockery of Lucic totally taking him off his game..

Emelin is one of the best pure hitters in the league.. the guy had his own top 10 hits segment on tv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAZJe9QRm1c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmmxFyrrStA

The knock on Emelin is he makes boneheaded plays, but they dont happen often. His shot is under-rated.. he's a good defensemen.

So Detroit isn't only getting 1 prospect, 1 forth liner and a cap dump.. they are getting A hard hitting top 6 defensemen, a solid prospect with top 4 potential and a 4th line checking forward in De La Rose.

 

[njx9]

So Detroit isn't only getting 1 prospect, 1 forth liner and a cap dump.. they are getting A hard hitting top 6 defensemen, a solid prospect with top 4 potential and a 4th line checking forward in De La Rose.

The only part of that that has value to Detroit is the prospect, and even then, top 4 potential isn't really special. It's not worth losing AA, in this case.

 

[LarKing]

Pretty good offer OP...

Emelin has much more value then Ericsson, Montreal retaining salary is just an added bonus. Emelin gets a bad rap around here because he's included in thousands of trade proposals.. where were these fans when Emelin was making a mockery of Lucic totally taking him off his game..

Emelin is one of the best pure hitters in the league.. the guy had his own top 10 hits segment on tv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAZJe9QRm1c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmmxFyrrStA

The knock on Emelin is he makes boneheaded plays, but they dont happen often. His shot is under-rated.. he's a good defensemen.

So Detroit isn't only getting 1 prospect, 1 forth liner and a cap dump.. they are getting A hard hitting top 6 defensemen, a solid prospect with top 4 potential and a 4th line checking forward in De La Rose.

So we're getting:

- An nhl defensemen where where we currently have Kronwall, Green, Dekeyser, Smith, Ericsson, Marchenko as regulars with Ouellet, Sproul, Jensen fighting for a spot

- A solid prospect with top 4 potential which we already have plenty of. Our problem is we have no elite potential dmen really

- A 4th liner that wouldn't make our team and would be fighting for a spot with guys like Athansiou, Mantha, Ott, Jurco, Pulkinnen, etc.


It's a stupid offer for us. There's zero incentive here at all for us to even consider this.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Close the thread, its awful for detroit...

 

[TS Quint]

So we're getting:

- An nhl defensemen where where we currently have Kronwall, Green, Dekeyser, Smith, Ericsson, Marchenko as regulars with Ouellet, Sproul, Jensen fighting for a spot

- A solid prospect with top 4 potential which we already have plenty of. Our problem is we have no elite potential dmen really

- A 4th liner that wouldn't make our team and would be fighting for a spot with guys like Athansiou, Mantha, Ott, Jurco, Pulkinnen, etc.


It's a stupid offer for us. There's zero incentive here at all for us to even consider this.

You are way overrating XO, Sproul and Jensen. It's time to face facts, these guys are closer to being out of the league than the top 4, if you want to consider them in the league at all to begin with.

Kronwall is going down fast, Smith is a healthy scratch on a brutal D core and Big E sucks the big one.

The forward pipeline isn't spectacular but it's much more competitive, it would be greatly bennificial to add a young Dman.

 

[BStinson]

You are way overrating XO, Sproul and Jensen. It's time to face facts, these guys are closer to being out of the league than the top 4, if you want to consider them in the league at all to begin with.

Kronwall is going down fast, Smith is a healthy scratch on a brutal D core and Big E sucks the big one.

The forward pipeline isn't spectacular but it's much more competitive, it would be greatly bennificial to add a young Dman.

How is he over rating those guys when he says they are fighting for the #6 spot? Our forward pipeline is actually our strength (Mantha, AA, Svechnikov, Bertuzzi, Sadowy) but I agree with you that we need to add an impact defenseman but that would require tanking. This trade doesn't make sense for Detroit at all. We need to be developing and playing our youth not shipping them out for bandaids which aren't going to get us any closer to the cup.

 

[TS Quint]

How is he over rating those guys when he says they are fighting for the #6 spot? Our forward pipeline is actually our strength (Mantha, AA, Svechnikov, Bertuzzi, Sadowy) but I agree with you that we need to add an impact defenseman but that would require tanking. This trade doesn't make sense for Detroit at all. We need to be developing and playing our youth not shipping them out for bandaids which aren't going to get us any closer to the cup.

He acknowledges that Emilin is a top 4 but won't take him because he over rates the defense. Emilin is easy a top 4 in Detroit.

I said that the forward group is the strength. That's why you trade forwards for defense.

100% agree Holland should have rebuilt this offseason. It was idiotic to trade down in the draft when you need quality players.

 

[cashman rules*]

Close the thread, its awful for detroit...

No kidding...dumb trade

 

[BStinson]

He acknowledges that Emilin is a top 4 but won't take him because he over rates the defense. Emilin is easy a top 4 in Detroit.

I said that the forward group is the strength. That's why you trade forwards for defense.

100% agree Holland should have rebuilt this offseason. It was idiotic to trade down in the draft when you need quality players.

He never mentions Emelin as being a top 4. He mentions a prospect (Juulsen) as having top 4 upside. Emelin wouldn't even be guaranteed to be in our top 4.