Proposal: Detroit and LA exchange youngsters

[Ice Mammoth]

The Filip Zadina exchange does not make sense right now. The hockey player's trade value is now minimal. Filip plays in the team. Hockey player progress is possible. Then different actions can be considered.
Detroit doesn't need to move the player now. I would not be surprised at any fluctuations in the value of this player. The cost in two years: will remain the same, double, quadruple.
Filip Zadina can't be traded now? I think no. You can exchange for another ELC hockey player with similar potential. If the other team agrees to overpay now. Considering only the potential of the Detroit player.

Filip Hronek exchange is possible. The approximate level of the player is known. The trading value is roughly understandable.
Detroit doesn't need to move the player now. Therefore, the exchange should be of interest to Detroit.

I think Detroit doesn't need Vilardi for Zadina or Hronek. Other players with lower potential could be considered.

I would do for Turcotte:

- Hronek + 2022 2nd + 2022 UFA/2022 3rd. This is maximum. No withholding wages. If with withholding of wages (@ 50% ret), then the exchange is one to one. My percentage of confidence in this exchange is 80%. I think the cost is comparable. Taking into account the needs and tasks of the teams.

- Zadina (sobbing into the pillow) This is the maximum. I could ponder for a very long time about the need to exchange and cancel the deal at the last minute. My percentage of confidence in this exchange is 51%.

This does not fit? Detroit doesn't need to move these players now. Both teams are looking for other options.

 

[elitepete]

The Filip Zadina exchange does not make sense right now. The hockey player's trade value is now minimal. Filip plays in the team. Hockey player progress is possible. Then different actions can be considered.
Detroit doesn't need to move the player now. I would not be surprised at any fluctuations in the value of this player. The cost in two years: will remain the same, double, quadruple.
Filip Zadina can't be traded now? I think no. You can exchange for another ELC hockey player with similar potential. If the other team agrees to overpay now. Considering only the potential of the Detroit player.

Filip Hronek exchange is possible. The approximate level of the player is known. The trading value is roughly understandable.
Detroit doesn't need to move the player now. Therefore, the exchange should be of interest to Detroit.

I think Detroit doesn't need Vilardi for Zadina or Hronek. Other players with lower potential could be considered.

I would do for Turcotte:

- Hronek + 2022 2nd + 2022 UFA/2022 3rd. This is maximum. No withholding wages. If with withholding of wages (@ 50% ret), then the exchange is one to one. My percentage of confidence in this exchange is 80%. I think the cost is comparable. Taking into account the needs and tasks of the teams.

- Zadina (sobbing into the pillow) This is the maximum. I could ponder for a very long time about the need to exchange and cancel the deal at the last minute. My percentage of confidence in this exchange is 51%.

This does not fit? Detroit doesn't need to move these players now. Both teams are looking for other options.

Did you type this in a different language and google translate it into english?

 

[Three Crowns]

Pivoting some way off... But what about Zadina for Kupari?

 

[Ice Mammoth]

Did you type this in a different language and google translate it into english?

Is that the only thing that worries you about this comment?

 

[BStinson]

The only thing that’s garage is your evaluation of Kings prospects. They don’t need Edvisson, they need a real upgrade like a Sergachev.
The Kings will gladly keep Vilardi and Madden while the Wings gladly keep their Dman

Can you rebuttal his statement that has quantitative data with logic (eg injury, QoC, TOI) something. No offense but Edvinsson was ranked 3rd on McKenzie’s aggregated list (source below) so the center piece to get him is going to be a bit bigger than Vilardi. Just for reference Edvinsson’s stats reflect no PP time.

Bob McKenzie's 2021 final draft rankings - TSN.ca

 

[Kibe]

How did this turn into an Edvinsson thread? No team is moving a guy they just drafted, let alone a top10 pick. Man this place sometimes...

 

[kinghock]

Edvisson should be removed from the discussion because trading him isn't happening.

Turcotte should be removed from the discussion as well because trading him isn't happening.

 

[kinghock]

Pretty fair deal if you believe what the points suggest.

Vilardi (now in D+5) : 71gp, 14g, 17a (.44 ppg)
Zadina (now in D+4): 101gp, 17g, 26a (.43 ppg)

I think Zadina would do really well in LA honestly. As a Wings fan I don't mind this, but I also don't think Vilardi is the solution to our top 6C problems. Personally I like Zadina a little better than Vilardi as a winger, so I'd stick with our guy. I could definitely see this one going either way though, and I wouldn't be frustrated if we made this deal.

I believe Kings have no interest in Zadina.
They will not give any valuable assets for him.

 

[kinghock]

The Filip Zadina exchange does not make sense right now. The hockey player's trade value is now minimal. Filip plays in the team. Hockey player progress is possible. Then different actions can be considered.
Detroit doesn't need to move the player now. I would not be surprised at any fluctuations in the value of this player. The cost in two years: will remain the same, double, quadruple.
Filip Zadina can't be traded now? I think no. You can exchange for another ELC hockey player with similar potential. If the other team agrees to overpay now. Considering only the potential of the Detroit player.

Filip Hronek exchange is possible. The approximate level of the player is known. The trading value is roughly understandable.
Detroit doesn't need to move the player now. Therefore, the exchange should be of interest to Detroit.

I think Detroit doesn't need Vilardi for Zadina or Hronek. Other players with lower potential could be considered.

I would do for Turcotte:

- Hronek + 2022 2nd + 2022 UFA/2022 3rd. This is maximum. No withholding wages. If with withholding of wages (@ 50% ret), then the exchange is one to one. My percentage of confidence in this exchange is 80%. I think the cost is comparable. Taking into account the needs and tasks of the teams.

- Zadina (sobbing into the pillow) This is the maximum. I could ponder for a very long time about the need to exchange and cancel the deal at the last minute. My percentage of confidence in this exchange is 51%.

This does not fit? Detroit doesn't need to move these players now. Both teams are looking for other options.

Turcotte will not be traded for quantity against quality

 

[kinghock]

Pivoting some way off... But what about Zadina for Kupari?

Kupari>Zadina

 

[kinghock]

The Filip Zadina exchange does not make sense right now. The hockey player's trade value is now minimal. Filip plays in the team. Hockey player progress is possible. Then different actions can be considered.
Detroit doesn't need to move the player now. I would not be surprised at any fluctuations in the value of this player. The cost in two years: will remain the same, double, quadruple.
Filip Zadina can't be traded now? I think no. You can exchange for another ELC hockey player with similar potential. If the other team agrees to overpay now. Considering only the potential of the Detroit player.

Filip Hronek exchange is possible. The approximate level of the player is known. The trading value is roughly understandable.
Detroit doesn't need to move the player now. Therefore, the exchange should be of interest to Detroit.

I think Detroit doesn't need Vilardi for Zadina or Hronek. Other players with lower potential could be considered.

I would do for Turcotte:

- Hronek + 2022 2nd + 2022 UFA/2022 3rd. This is maximum. No withholding wages. If with withholding of wages (@ 50% ret), then the exchange is one to one. My percentage of confidence in this exchange is 80%. I think the cost is comparable. Taking into account the needs and tasks of the teams.

- Zadina (sobbing into the pillow) This is the maximum. I could ponder for a very long time about the need to exchange and cancel the deal at the last minute. My percentage of confidence in this exchange is 51%.

This does not fit? Detroit doesn't need to move these players now. Both teams are looking for other options.

Detroit has list of prospects tradeable only for overpayment: Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson and Cossa
LA has list of prospects tradeable only for overpayment: Byfield, Clarke, Turcotte, Kupari, Faber and Kaliev

 

[drw02]

Kupari>Zadina

I mean their birthdays are separated by 5 months and Zadina has almost double Kupari's PPG. Still a small sample size for both and each is still developing but dunno what suggests Kupari is the better player atp

Detroit has list of prospects tradeable only for overpayment: Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson and Cossa
LA has list of prospects tradeable only for overpayment: Byfield, Clarke, Turcotte, Kupari, Faber and Kaliev

Some of those guys aren't even available for overpayment, but if Faber is making Kings list you can add Veleno and Berggren on Wings side

 

[Kurrilino]

Pivoting some way off... But what about Zadina for Kupari?

????

Kupari has even more value than Vilardi.

We can keep it short here.
Our C prospects will only go for goal scoring winger or defender of similar elite skill and age
If Detroit can't offer that, there is no reason in shuffling names around just to get no's from both sides

 

[Mats26]

Pass on Zadina. We have Kaliyev that will slot in for the same role. If we are trading Vilardi for a winger, I would gauge what Kakko could go for.

 

[FireBird71]

What could the Kings add to Vilardi to get Edvinsson?

You might get him for Byfield.

I know that doesn't match fan perception of prospect values but there's chatter that Detroit had Edvinsson at #1 and it doesn't seem entirely unfounded.

No they won’t

 

[FireBird71]

Edvisson should be removed from the discussion because trading him isn't happening.

Ever lol

 

[BStinson]

????

Kupari has even more value than Vilardi.

We can keep it short here.
Our C prospects will only go for goal scoring winger or defender of similar elite skill and age
If Detroit can't offer that, there is no reason in shuffling names around just to get no's from both sides

Read the comment two above yours. Please explain the value difference between them.

 

[Sol]

Edvinsson isn't worth it. Forget about it

 

[Kurrilino]

Read the comment two above yours. Please explain the value difference between them.

Kupari is just making the best out of the chance they gave him.
Even if he is not scoring he shows his amazing speed and dangling skills.

Zadina only has one purpose, goal scoring winger.
Right now i can't see anything that looks very promising

 

[BStinson]

Kupari is just making the best out of the chance they gave him.
Even if he is not scoring he shows his amazing speed and dangling skills.

Zadina only has one purpose, goal scoring winger.
Right now i can't see anything that looks very promising

I don’t think you’ve watched very many Detroit games with that take but rather resorting to a draft profile.

 

[Kingspiracy]

Wings get
Vilardi

Kings get
Zadina

what I feel to be similar caliber players going from a team where they’re semi-redundant to a team where they match a position of need.

I dont hate it. I think both teams would be reluctant to move "their guy" though. Neither has proven that much yet and it would bunch the panties if the guy you trade takes off and the guy you get shits the bed.

Pretty fair though.

 

[Henkka]

Kings value Vilardi as a Top prospect..

Won't believe that for a second. Think Kings have easily 9 better forward prospects to overlap Vilardi on the next few years.

Same points per game as Zadina has had for last 2 seasons. Both are struggling.

Zadina, 64 games, 8+17=25 points (0.39 ppg) -5
Vilardi, 61 games, 11+13=24 points (0.39 ppg) -13

Vilardi also had hot start at last season and has regressed then. I'm quite sure his back is affecting in him on long stretches. Will bust on his career because of those injuries.

 

[Henkka]

I dont hate it. I think both teams would be reluctant to move "their guy" though. Neither has proven that much yet and it would bunch the panties if the guy you trade takes off and the guy you get shits the bed.

Pretty fair though.

I'd keep Zadina, because there not that injury threat.

 

[Kingspiracy]

I'd keep Zadina, because there not that injury threat.

Fair enough, but Villardi is supposedly a centre, the move valuable position and seems to have gotten over his back issues.

Im not exactly hugely enamoured with zadina, he hasnt proven much (either) and probably isnt any better than what we already have in Kaliyev, Fagemo and Pinelli.

I was more commenting on value. Its a pretty thankless thing starting a trade proposal, everyone just poo poos the proposal because they are either trying to big up their own roster or hose the other team.

 

[apocalypse]

Vilardi has the potential to be a dynamic winger in this league. Would det be willing to offer zadina + top 4 defenseman? Vilardi is well worth it but even then he might not be available.