Proposal: DET - PIT

[TS Quint]

Would love to hear your explanation of why a team with well known cap issues traded the more productive player making half as much if that were the case

I think Dubas has made many questionable moves. The facts are the facts. You wanted to know "WHEN THE????" Now you know.

 

[TS Quint]

he may have had a few Nylander tier games here and there but he was never an equal replacement
if he was. he wouldnt have been traded

Facts are facts. If you want believe Dubas is infallible that's up to you.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Facts are facts. If you want believe Dubas is infallible that's up to you.

guess we can agree to disagree
Nylander>Kapanen

 

[TS Quint]

guess we can agree to disagree
Nylander>Kapanen

If you want to ignore facts, sure I guess.

 

[Jerkbait]

I’d rather dump one of our mediocre dmen that make more than Kap. I’m sure you could get a late round pick for Pettersson. Our defense is insanely overpriced.

And the softest in the NHL!!!!

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

If you want to ignore facts, sure I guess.

Your facts are nonsense. Nylander is a much better player then kappy.

 

[TS Quint]

Your facts are nonsense. Nylander is a much better player then kappy.

What doesn't make sense about literal facts? Unless they fly in the face of a false narrative I guess.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Red Wings have plenty of wingers plus a few winger prospects who can do that. There is no need to trade actual assets to get something that isnt a strong need.

Wings need a center and top-4 LDs.

Hence the Red Wing(er)s.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

If you want to ignore facts, sure I guess.

Ive noticed a trend on this board past few days. lots of people always talk about facts but provide none

 

[Jerkbait]

Your facts are nonsense. Nylander is a much better player then kappy.

Agreed . Kapanen struggles to drive play . Nylander has more potential and a better offensive skill set.

 

[TS Quint]

Ive noticed a trend on this board past few days. lots of people always talk about facts but provide none

Agreed. Ive provided facts and got nothing but people who for some reason are hurt by the reality of the situation.

 

[RedHawkDown]

What is going on here. Nylander is on an entirely different tier than Kapanen. Do some of y’all even watch games?

I have zero interest in another top 6 tweener for Detroit but I’d trade our first for Nylander

 

[Dotter]

Swap 1-for1 Zadina for Kapanen. Zadina still on ELC and change of scenery might be good.

 

[Gurglesons]

Swap 1-for1 Zadina for Kapanen. Zadina still on ELC and change of scenery might be good.

Sure.

 

[jmelm]

Swap 1-for1 Zadina for Kapanen. Zadina still on ELC and change of scenery might be good.

This is a realistic kind of return for Kapanen, from DET or in general.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Pretty safe to say that if Kapanen can’t produce on PIT, he just can’t produce.

Crosby and Malkin have made a career out of elevating mediocre wingers. How Nylander vs. Kapanen is even a question is beyond me. He’s probably closer to Alex than William.

 

[evolutionbaby]

I think it is fair value but not necessary.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

What doesn't make sense about literal facts? Unless they fly in the face of a false narrative I guess.

Its funny since its your false narrative I'm questioning. No one in the NHL would take kappa over Nylander in a 1 for 1. Keep at it though, your anti Leaf tripe is amusing.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Here’s a sample for you from an old post I made, which is why I’m asking what happened to Kapanen:

Kapanen was on pace for 57 points in the Leafs top 6 while Nylander and Dubas were in the negotiation room. Nylander was a 61 point player in the Leafs top 6 not really better.

After Kapanen was traded:

Kapenen:
47GP, 37 points
64pts/82gp
26 5vs5 points
2.48 p/60
$3,200,000 AAV

Nylander:
59GP, 48 points
66pts/82gp
29 5vs5 points
2.19 p/60
$6,962,366 AAV

What time frame is this? Who was he playing against? What is context?

William Nylander is a much better player than Kasperi Kapanen.

This argument sounds like me back in the early 2000s trying to trade a third line guy for a top line guy in fantasy because the third line guy just had a multi-goal game early in the year and am abusing statistics to make it look like I have proof.

End of the day, Kapanen is a 40 point, 3rd line guy. Nylander is a 60 point, 2nd line guy. The difference in price reflects the higher usage and the better performance. It's not linear, but head to head, Willy N will always beat Kasperi K.

 

[jmelm]

I can’t believe this is even a conversation.

As a Pens fan, I wish Kapanen was as good as Nylander. If he was, we’d probably #1 in our division and maybe in the same tier as CAR, FLA & TB. But KK is not WN.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Agreed. Ive provided facts and got nothing but people who for some reason are hurt by the reality of the situation.

I dont understand why people would be hurt lol
I mean it's hockey do people really take this stuff on a personal level?
Because I dont think they do

I never see facts from the people who always say something is a fact
I mean maybe it could be, maybe it isn't I'm not going to do the research to support someone else's claim

 

[TS Quint]

Its funny since its your false narrative I'm questioning. No one in the NHL would take kappa over Nylander in a 1 for 1. Keep at it though, your anti Leaf tripe is amusing.

Please quote directly with what you are disagreeing with.

I think you giant persecution complex is blocking your eyes from reading.

 

[TS Quint]

What time frame is this? Who was he playing against? What is context?

William Nylander is a much better player than Kasperi Kapanen.

This argument sounds like me back in the early 2000s trying to trade a third line guy for a top line guy in fantasy because the third line guy just had a multi-goal game early in the year and am abusing statistics to make it look like I have proof.

End of the day, Kapanen is a 40 point, 3rd line guy. Nylander is a 60 point, 2nd line guy. The difference in price reflects the higher usage and the better performance. It's not linear, but head to head, Willy N will always beat Kasperi K.

The context, time frame is in the post if you care to read because you have clearly gotten upset without understanding a simple post. I dont think writing it out a second time is going to help you or anyone else in this thread who have gotten upset over something I haven't said.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

The context, time frame is in the post if you care to read because you have clearly gotten upset without understanding a simple post. I dont think writing it out a second time is going to help you or anyone else in this thread who have gotten upset over something I haven't said.

He's not just as productive. The context matters, even if the stats are equal, a guy is scoring that on a third line playing against duffers is different from scoring like that on a second line against better comp. You're pulling a specious connection and ignoring competition and anything else and acting like it's an unassailable point.

 

[TS Quint]

He's not just as productive. The context matters, even if the stats are equal, a guy is scoring that on a third line playing against duffers is different from scoring like that on a second line against better comp. You're pulling a specious connection and ignoring competition and anything else and acting like it's an unassailable point.

If you read the post he was more productive with the ice time given.

I'm not ignoring anything. You are playing make belief with a context that never happend. I don't know why You keep replying without reading the post.