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Proposal: Det-Mtl

I think MTL dont do that deal (not because they'd lose the deal valuewise)... Petry is now MTL's best PMD and without him, they are gonna spend most of the year in their own zone
 
Petry isnt getting moved, we have no one to replace him and he plays a big role for us..

also we dont have alot of open spots up front..

Pacioretty - Chucky - Gallagher
Shaw - Plekanec - Radulov

Shaw probably isnt the ideal 3rd liner (especially because hes playing on his off wing) but we have kids like Carr, Lehkonen, Hudon, Andrighetto etc. that might be able to play on our 2nd line, we dont need to trade for a forward.

What we need is a top 4 (preferably top pairing) LHD.
 
smirob said:
If Sergachev makes the team out of camp, I would be open to moving Petry.

Beaulieu-Weber
Markov-Sergachev
Emelin-Pateryn

I don't know if Detroit has interest in Petry, he seems like a good fit on paper, but I dunno.
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That doesn't seem likely. I love his skill but he has a fair amount of improvement ahead of him positionally before NHL checks come his way. The gap between an NHL level defensive game and what Sergachev currently employs needs to narrow just to reach the point of being a practical option to make the final adjustments in a Canadiens sweater.
As for the trade, no. Detroit has to roll the roster over in the next couple years or they're patching over patches which would get them nowhere.
 
Montreal wont trade petry and detroit wont trade tatar. So no way this happens.

Montreal will never include their first esp after this past season. That pick is worth more than sheahan and mantha, (combined if its a top 10 pick).

And why throw in lehkonen?? he has some serious upside. He can work out well or he wont , but thats a risk the habs can take as they only have 5 top 6 forwards as of now.

As for value, Tatar is worth more than petry cuz of age difference and scoring abilities. But lehkonen more than balances that off-value.
 
Benstheman said:
According to Wings fans, Petry isn't much of interest...:help:
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More importantly according to our beat writers the Wings front office doesn't think much of him as a player. Has it changed a ton since his Edmonton days? Not sure, but considering he skates a lot of time in the summer with the Wings guys it was interesting that when he was out there and the front office dumped on the idea not a peep was made apparently by any of the guys to reconsider. It was surprising but I guess similarly Datsyuk didn't vouch for Semin either when he was available, which we all sort of expected them to do. Pretty sure the Red Wings players just got Ott a job.

Not interested in this deal. I would be interested in something around Tatar for Petry without the other add-on players attempted here, but again I doubt Holland and company would.
 
We need Petry more than we need Tatar, and Detroit doesn't want to trade Mantha. No deal from both sides
 
Number1RedWingsFan52 said:
Right so Petry wouldn't waive his NMC for his hometown team that he rooted for growing up as a kid in Farmington Hills, Michigan. I bet he would easily. But the Detroit organization is no longer interested in him.
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and we know this based on HF posters, the new NHL insiders.
 
Petry could work with Wings, imo.

It gives nice shut-down pair around DeKeyser-Petry, and takes Ericsson out from the toughest matchups.

Kronwall-Marchenko would be solid hybrid pair, secondary option for both Off and Def zone.

Ericsson-Green would be a sheltered offensive zone pair. Green on his strengths, Ericsson off from toughest duties, when he is just fine.

Salary cap -vise Montreal should also take Brendan Smith off from our hands.

Tatar 2.75 + Smith 2.75M = Petry 5.5M
 
TT1 said:
and we know this based on HF posters, the new NHL insiders.
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Again this was well documented by connected people heading into the trade deadline much to the consternation of a lot of posters. They didn't think he was worth a third round pick when he was on his way out of Edmonton. Their pro scouts and management didn't like him. How much his play in Montreal has changed that is anyone's guess. But to say this is HF poster derived isn't true. It comes directly from Wings beat writers that they weren't high on him not too long ago. The beat writers in Detroit are basically mouthpieces for the team so that is credible.
 
TT1 said:
and we know this based on HF posters, the new NHL insiders.
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Yeah... this wasn't HF posters that were sandbagging the idea of Petry. It was the Wings beat writers who are basically the organization's mouthpiece as they just go with whatever they're told.

Hell, the HF boards posters WANTED Petry or assumed that the Wings would take a run at him.

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That being said... this trade offer is embarrassingly bad. Honestly, for me, Jeff Petry ISN'T of any interest. Not for what you're trying to get for him. There is no way on Earth that I accept Jeff Petry being the centerpiece of a deal that includes both Tatar and Mantha. If I'm shipping them out (plus Sheahan, who isn't a worthless toss-in), I'm add just a bit more and getting an actual top pairing guy, not a fancier, more expensive version of Kyle Quincey.

He's a fine player and I wouldn't mind him to be a Red Wing... if he cost nothing but money or we got him for like a Johnny Boychuk price (2 2nds). I'm not shipping off a guy who almost led the team in scoring while playing 14 mins a night on the third line in addition to one of our biggest prospects and our opening night 3rd center for him.

E: I just realized I almost copied verbatim what TZE said, but I came up with it separately. That post wasn't there when I started writing mine when I double checked to make sure I wasn't completely out of my mind in calling Jeff Petry a fancy Kyle Quincey (he is, at least production-wise)
 
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Henkka said:
Petry could work with Wings, imo.

It gives nice shut-down pair around DeKeyser-Petry, and takes Ericsson out from the toughest matchups.

Kronwall-Marchenko would be solid hybrid pair, secondary option for both Off and Def zone.

Ericsson-Green would be a sheltered offensive zone pair. Green on his strengths, Ericsson off from toughest duties, when he is just fine.

Salary cap -vise Montreal should also take Brendan Smith off from our hands.

Tatar 2.75 + Smith 2.75M = Petry 5.5M
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This is probably closer... but still, I have very little interest in it. I'd rather that they just gave Smith middle pairing minutes and ran with it than trade him and Tatar to get Jeff Petry to toss him into the mix. If they're going to trade guys, particularly guys of the Nyquist/Tatar ilk, it has to be in a package for a big time upgrade, not just a guy who is somewhat better than what we have.

I want a top pairing guy and would be willing to overpay for one. If I'm trading for a guy who's ceiling is the middle pairing, I'm getting a bargain and/or getting cap relief or I'm not making the deal.
 
Redline said:
That doesn't seem likely. I love his skill but he has a fair amount of improvement ahead of him positionally before NHL checks come his way. The gap between an NHL level defensive game and what Sergachev currently employs needs to narrow just to reach the point of being a practical option to make the final adjustments in a Canadiens sweater.
As for the trade, no. Detroit has to roll the roster over in the next couple years or they're patching over patches which would get them nowhere.
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Not to mention Sergachev probably will be trained as a LD in future replacement for Markov. He's left handed, even if he can play RD and has in the past. But considering the Habs' future, I'd doubt he is put at all on the right side. We have depth on that side, on the left, it's pretty much zip. Beaulieu, Sergachev and Juulsen, that's about what we have.
 
I don't even care about the value of this trade, I just want to say that Lehkonen is a better prospect than Mantha.
 
Petry is just more of what we already have. If we're trading Tatar then I'd much rather it be a package for an actual top pairing D instead of just another top 4D.
 
Kobe Armstrong said:
I don't even care about the value of this trade, I just want to say that Lehkonen is a better prospect than Mantha.
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I'd say it is pretty even right now.

But since Mantha is 6'5'' and went through more normal road (AHL), to many fans he is worth more.

I would say Mantha >Lehkonen, mostly when the two teams considered are smaller teams.
 
TT1 said:
and we know this based on HF posters, the new NHL insiders.
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First off this wasn't based on HF posters. It was based on the Red Wings beat writers Ansar Khan and Helene St James whom are the mouth pieces for the organization and have more credibility. Both had mentioned that Detroit scouts had soured on Petry and I guess Holland agreed. It was a known fact that Detroit had interest in Petry but Holland wasn't willing to give up what Edmonton wanted at the time. One rumor deal was Helm+Sproul for Petry and Holland wasn't going to move Helm and didn't want to trade Sproul. But i guess was willing to trade Ouellet and another piece. And it ended pretty much right there.
 
Number1RedWingsFan52 said:
Right to bad his numbers don't bear that out, Mantha's number are far better then Lehkonen. Keep your guy we will keep ours then we shall see which one has the better career bet it wont be Lehkonen.
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Not getting into an argument over who's better, but Lehkonen's PPG was pretty close to Manthas last year and he also lead the Swedish league in playoff scoring.
 
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