Proposal: Despres and Stoner trade

[The Duck Knight]

We may not even have to make a trade at this point. If Despres latest injury is serious we can just put Despres and Thompson on LTIR and send Stoner down to San Diego. That gives us 6.5 million to sign Lindholm. So have fun with these theories of us giving away Fowler/Theodore/Montour/Larsson to clear cap space. If any of those guys go it will be because we get an equal forward back.

 

[Maukkis]

We may not even have to make a trade at this point. If Despres latest injury is serious we can just put Despres and Thompson on LTIR and send Stoner down to San Diego. That gives us 6.5 million to sign Lindholm. So have fun with these theories of us giving away Fowler/Theodore/Montour/Larsson to clear cap space. If any of those guys go it will be because we get an equal forward back.

And when Despres, Thompson and/or Rakell come back... what are you doing then? Sending Lindholm to the AHL?

 

[is the answer jesus]

We may not even have to make a trade at this point. If Despres latest injury is serious we can just put Despres and Thompson on LTIR and send Stoner down to San Diego. That gives us 6.5 million to sign Lindholm. So have fun with these theories of us giving away Fowler/Theodore/Montour/Larsson to clear cap space. If any of those guys go it will be because we get an equal forward back.

So a team that has regularly operated with an internal cap is going to ultimately spend more than the salary cap? I'm not saying your wrong or that it could never happen, but it doesn't seem very likely to me. That will also put the Ducks operating very close to the salary cap assuming Lindholm gets 6 million or a bit more in his new deal.

 

[The Duck Knight]

And when Despres, Thompson and/or Rakell come back... what are you doing then? Sending Lindholm to the AHL?

That 6.5 for Lindholm is with a full roster, Rakell included. Thompson isn't back until March and who knows with Despres. This is his third concussion in under a year. The point is the Ducks do not need to make a bad trade right now just to create space for Lindholm.

 

[Maukkis]

I think the team's who had any interest in paying positive value for Despres just shrivelled up to 0. Concussion issues again after last year and a full 5 years on his contract. I think the Ducks would have better luck getting out of Stoner's 2 years at this point.

This. Generally people here underestimate the meaning of injuries. If someone's been battered and bruised enough, you don't take it for granted that he's the same player anymore - much like most Ducks fans told as about a certain Tyler Myers during the summer. It looks like they're not only stuck with Bieksa, but also with Despres now. That's eight million dollars worth of useless defensemen.

Obviously you can't predict injuries, so it kind of doesn't apply, but it's amusing that without those two, signing Lindholm would've been a breeze. But... thanks to Murray, 29 other teams' fans can enjoy instead.

 

[Ducks in a row]

I'll try again:

TO ANA: JVR + Leipsic + Corrado + 2nd 2017 (SJ)

TO TOR: Fowler + Stoner + Theodore

Anaheim gets the top line LW they want and a young, cost controlled LW that can play 3/4 line right now. Corrado is a (small) contract going their way that is 6/7/8 depth. Frees up the cash for Lindholm and rids them of the Stoner contract. They would still have young, cost controlled defence in Larsson and Montour waiting for top 4 roles.

Leafs get immediate help on the blueline in Fowler who could prove to be a core piece and get signed long-term. Theodore is a good offensive defence prospect that could probably step into the Leafs lineup immediately as well. Stoner is a 100% cap dump that the Leafs can take on by shifting some of their contracts to LTIR.

Not trading Fowler and Theodore and don't want any defenseman coming back our way even if we trade away multiple of our defenseman.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Despres for 3rd and 5th round pick

Stoner + 2nd and 3rd round pick for a 6th round pick

Any takers?

Despres has a concussion, And no one is taking that Stoner contract without Anaheim adding major enticements on the deal no GM out there is going to help BM out of his dilemma here.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Anaheim isn't going to offer Montour to offload Stoner.

Agreed BM would never do that in a million years, So Anaheim is stuck with him for the season at least.

 

[eternalbedhead]

I don't think either player is particularly attractive to anybody right now. That plus to get someone to bite is going to have to be substantial.

(tfw when Arizona fans said yes to a Despres for 2nd trade a year back )

 

[lindholmie]

I'll try again:

TO ANA: JVR + Leipsic + Corrado + 2nd 2017 (SJ)

TO TOR: Fowler + Stoner + Theodore

Anaheim gets the top line LW they want and a young, cost controlled LW that can play 3/4 line right now. Corrado is a (small) contract going their way that is 6/7/8 depth. Frees up the cash for Lindholm and rids them of the Stoner contract. They would still have young, cost controlled defence in Larsson and Montour waiting for top 4 roles.

Leafs get immediate help on the blueline in Fowler who could prove to be a core piece and get signed long-term. Theodore is a good offensive defence prospect that could probably step into the Leafs lineup immediately as well. Stoner is a 100% cap dump that the Leafs can take on by shifting some of their contracts to LTIR.

lmao theodore and fowler?? throw in more of your B prospects for ritchie, larsson and mntour!!!

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I'll try again:

TO ANA: JVR + Leipsic + Corrado + 2nd 2017 (SJ)

TO TOR: Fowler + Stoner + Theodore

Anaheim gets the top line LW they want and a young, cost controlled LW that can play 3/4 line right now. Corrado is a (small) contract going their way that is 6/7/8 depth. Frees up the cash for Lindholm and rids them of the Stoner contract. They would still have young, cost controlled defence in Larsson and Montour waiting for top 4 roles.

Leafs get immediate help on the blueline in Fowler who could prove to be a core piece and get signed long-term. Theodore is a good offensive defence prospect that could probably step into the Leafs lineup immediately as well. Stoner is a 100% cap dump that the Leafs can take on by shifting some of their contracts to LTIR.

Lol good luck with this, It's not happening on Anaheim's end that's for sure.

 

[anezthes]

Despres for 3rd and 5th round pick

Stoner + 2nd and 3rd round pick for a 6th round pick

Any takers?

You should know by now no one on HF is going to trade for Stoner without Theo or Montour included in the deal.

 

[57special]

Stoner can play a bottom pairing role. He's overpaid, sure, but not massively so, and not for a long time. Some team with cap space, and a need for toughness, might take him if a sweetener is added. Maybe Stoner + ANA 1st, with a 2nd going the other way?

 

[snipes]

Despres has a concussion, And no one is taking that Stoner contract without Anaheim adding major enticements on the deal no GM out there is going to help BM out of his dilemma here.

I don't think some of them realize they have zero leverage or bargaining power. No one wants to help them out, ANA is a former contending team on the decline. Why would anyone want to offer them a lifeline? Let them suffer and deal with their own problems.

To move Stoner it'll be Stoner + Theo/Montour/Larsson for a 6th if they're lucky. ANA is a sinking ship.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

You should know by now no one on HF is going to trade for Stoner without Theo or Montour included in the deal.

No one in the NHL either it would seem. Detroit had to pay a pretty penny to rid themselves of Datsyuk, and the Hawks even more to shed Bickell. The Ducks somehow, though, are apparently immune from the prices of the market.

 

[NotYou]

Anaheim clearly has no bargaining power here. In a lot of cases that can be offset by market competition, but stoner or depres alone obviously doesn't generate any. The piece that is being added to them is the incentive. The problem is pretty clear, in order to generate competition they need to give up a valuable piece which is what they're trying to avoid. Additionally there aren't many teams that can take on either contract without sending cap back. The only conclusion I can make is that either trade is going to suck for Anaheim.

Their other option is to trade Fowler who is attractive. No one has given a good offer yet otherwise or would be done. Since the small pool of teams for each is pretty much the same, forcing the other trade is a possible strategy. I think the ducks are going to have to make a trade they don't like for fowler or give up a big piece with stoner or despres.

 

[Smitty426]

Anaheim clearly has no bargaining power here. In a lot of cases that can be offset by market competition, but stoner or depres alone obviously doesn't generate any. The piece that is being added to them is the incentive. The problem is pretty clear, in order to generate competition they need to give up a valuable piece which is what they're trying to avoid. Additionally there aren't many teams that can take on either contract without sending cap back. The only conclusion I can make is that either trade is going to suck for Anaheim.

Their other option is to trade Fowler who is attractive. No one has given a good offer yet otherwise or would be done. Since the small pool of teams for each is pretty much the same, forcing the other trade is a possible strategy. I think the ducks are going to have to make a trade they don't like for fowler or give up a big piece with stoner or despres.

Or both (think the ducks are going to have to make a trade they don't like for fowler or give up a big piece with stoner or despres)!